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The votes of Sen. Clinton vs Sen. Sanders when they served together. (Original Post) LiberalArkie Oct 2015 OP
K&R SamKnause Oct 2015 #1
I was working on presenting it on DU as a table and gave up on it.. LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #2
You did a fine job. SamKnause Oct 2015 #4
Some of these votes may be misleading. Mass Oct 2015 #3
I was just going to do a table with the bills, but I noticed that Sanders and Clinton LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #5
According to the link they voted the same 93% of the time, leaving 31 votes where they took Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #13
That probably where I gave up on trying to make it in a readable format. I might try LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #14
Given a choice between a Faux pas Oct 2015 #6
K&R Great information, Thanks! nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #7
thanks I can't speak to every vote dsc Oct 2015 #8
I never worried about our congress-critters sending things back home, they have to do something for LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #9
homeland security funds shouldn't be used for that purpose dsc Oct 2015 #17
I agree, some of the towns in Arkansas got big-ass hummers (but they can't afford to operate them) LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #19
This article pointed out Bernie Sanders voted against the bank bail outs only points out his Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #10
He's explained this vote numerous times. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #12
And what was not bailing out the banks going to do? Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #21
You could still have "bailed out" the banks without letting the CEO's profit from it. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #29
If the bank is too big to fail NervousGuy Oct 2015 #15
Indeed.....love this statement, and welcome to DU. eom a kennedy Oct 2015 #22
Great article. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #11
Exactly, Hillary knew allowing the banks to fail would cause a deep depression, she acted properly. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #23
interesting read, thanks for posting it AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #16
no immigration wasn't a filibuster against the Republicans dsc Oct 2015 #18
Readily apparent is that you've misstated the split of those votes. AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #20
No I most assuredly did not dsc Oct 2015 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #25
You accused me of lying dsc Oct 2015 #26
Good grief. I did not accuse of lying. AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #31
An important article. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #27
I was curious, so I did a quick Google search. The AFL-CIO praised him for his stance on this. AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #28
So he was trying to prevent abuse of workers? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #30
From the horse's mouth is always the best source. AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #32

LiberalArkie

(15,703 posts)
2. I was working on presenting it on DU as a table and gave up on it..
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 04:46 PM
Oct 2015

Way too much for me when I am on hydrocodone + valium. It was fun being repetitive but geez, I thought I would let people just read it the hard way.

LiberalArkie

(15,703 posts)
5. I was just going to do a table with the bills, but I noticed that Sanders and Clinton
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 04:52 PM
Oct 2015

opposed each other just about every time. If you click on the vote I think it brings up the entire bill and how everyone voted.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
13. According to the link they voted the same 93% of the time, leaving 31 votes where they took
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 06:11 PM
Oct 2015

opposite sides. Interesting stuff, thanks for posting this.

LiberalArkie

(15,703 posts)
14. That probably where I gave up on trying to make it in a readable format. I might try
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 06:18 PM
Oct 2015

doing it again later as I guess it would be something everyone will want to look at every so often.

dsc

(52,146 posts)
8. thanks I can't speak to every vote
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 05:07 PM
Oct 2015

but many of the ones I can I like hers better than his. His homeland security votes were to be honest pork for Vermont and other rural states at the expense of New York and other urban ones. I also agreed with her votes on immigration over his. I likely favor his over hers on defense but have no idea what the deal about Casey was. I also agreed with him on earmarks.

LiberalArkie

(15,703 posts)
9. I never worried about our congress-critters sending things back home, they have to do something for
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 05:20 PM
Oct 2015

the people who elected them. Kind of why the voters sent them there. Now days the ones from Arkansas only seem to represent the Koch brothers and keep sending things their way instead of Arkansas's way.

dsc

(52,146 posts)
17. homeland security funds shouldn't be used for that purpose
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 07:47 PM
Oct 2015

places like New York, Chicago, and LA which were real targets were getting less funding per capita than places like Montana which weren't. I don't mind earmarking parks, university funding etc. But funds that were supposed to be used to harden targets should have been spend on the most tempting targets first.

LiberalArkie

(15,703 posts)
19. I agree, some of the towns in Arkansas got big-ass hummers (but they can't afford to operate them)
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 07:53 PM
Oct 2015

they tear up the streets and mileage is gallons per mile. So for me it is kind of funny. But I guess like WW2 surplus tanks, they will end up as park ornaments for kids to crawl around on. We were hoping that Bill Clinton would send something our way, but never managed. I guess they were already planing on New York.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
10. This article pointed out Bernie Sanders voted against the bank bail outs only points out his
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 05:21 PM
Oct 2015

understanding of the situation why this was needed, another point against Bernie and his handling of the office of president.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
12. He's explained this vote numerous times.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 05:27 PM
Oct 2015

He realized early on that the CEO's of those major banks were going to get away with everything they had done due to the way the bill was written.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
16. interesting read, thanks for posting it
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 06:46 PM
Oct 2015

Three things of particular interest to me stood out:

1) She voted against, and he for, transferring Guantanamo prisoners to US jails. This was a step toward closure of that shameful shithole. Bernie got that right.

2) She voted yea and he no on two anti-Iran measures. I oppose provocative hostilities toward Iran. Bernie got that right.

3) On 6 occasions she voted for cloture, he against. These were all on immigration. When I have time I'll research this, but it stands to reason they were filibusters against the Republicans and a 'bite me' vote on general principle seems appropriate. Bernie got that right.

* edited to count the cloture votes

dsc

(52,146 posts)
18. no immigration wasn't a filibuster against the Republicans
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 07:50 PM
Oct 2015

every Republican in the Senate, every single, solitary last one, voted for that filibuster, something you could have found out by merely clicking the link provided by the Times. Bernie and 14 others voted with all 47 of the Republicans.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
20. Readily apparent is that you've misstated the split of those votes.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 08:05 PM
Oct 2015
In voting to end debate, the 12 Republicans were joined by 33 Democrats and 1 independent.

Voting against the motion to end debate were 15 Democrats, 1 independent and 37 Republicans, including the minority leader, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.


Like I said, I intend to research this further when I have time; I'm working now. I see no point arguing about it until then.

Your unedited comment for the memory hole:

8. no immigration wasn't a filibuster against the Republicans

every Republican in the Senate, every single, solitary last one, voted for that filibuster, something you could have found out by merely clicking the link provided by the Times. Bernie and 14 others voted with all 47 of the Republicans.

dsc

(52,146 posts)
24. No I most assuredly did not
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 08:27 PM
Oct 2015

Here is the link which backs me up.

http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/110/senate/1/203

Two of the votes are exactly what I said they were. You provided the breakdown for his 7th rejection of this bill.

Response to dsc (Reply #24)

dsc

(52,146 posts)
26. You accused me of lying
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:25 PM
Oct 2015

and now have the nerve to say I will attack you. The link the OP provided gives the breakdown of all 7 votes and links to see the partisan breakdowns of those votes. They are two clicks away from here, one from the link in the OP. Two of the votes are exactly and precisely what I said they were. One, the last, is the vote you site. Which, BTW, I said in the previous post which you apparently didn't bother to read.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
31. Good grief. I did not accuse of lying.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:36 PM
Oct 2015

I made a mess of my response above, so I re-typed it hopefully more coherently here.

I told you I didn't have time to dig into the weeds on this. On quick glance, I quoted the vote stats mentioned in the article the OP provided. I said you misstated the stats noted in the article, and it turns out you were quoting something else that you further researched. In other words, we weren't talking about the same thing.

My curiosity got the better of me (which is treacherous if you work at home like I do), and I ferreted out Bernie's explanation for the 2007 votes on immigration that I posted below in answer to someone else, if you are interested. Of note the AFL-CIO praised his stance for whatever it's worth. I like that Bernie can and will explain any vote he has made.

I will state, again, that the two issues below mentioned in the article - Guantanamo and Iran - are of particular interest to me since foreign policy is by far my #1 concern and why I cannot in good conscience vote for Hillary.

1) She voted against, and he for, transferring Guantanamo prisoners to US jails. This was a step toward closure of that shameful shithole. Bernie got that right.

2) She voted yea and he no on two anti-Iran measures. I oppose provocative hostilities toward Iran. Bernie got that right.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
27. An important article.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:34 PM
Oct 2015

I actually disagree with Sanders on the immigration votes, IF the reasoning stated is correct. It sounds like he REALLY wanted to keep fraud out of the VISA program, but I think the overall benefits would have outweighed the negatives associated with fraud in that case. Still, if there was more in-depth info presented on the bill, it's certainly possible I'd change my mind. Obviously Sanders would have had far more info than any casual reader of the NY Times piece.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
28. I was curious, so I did a quick Google search. The AFL-CIO praised him for his stance on this.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:54 PM
Oct 2015

Shit. I'm supposed to be working, but I was too curious about this. This is Bernie's explanation of those votes in 2007.

On the issue of immigration, Bernie Sanders has been forced to explain some history — namely, why he opposed the attempt at immigration reform in 2007.

At the debate, Mr. Sanders said he rejected President George W. Bush’s immigration overhaul that year because of its provisions regarding guest workers. He explained that guest workers are “working under terrible conditions, but if they stand up for their rights, they’re thrown out of the country.”

Mr. Sanders has long voiced concerns about guest-worker programs, and he made no secret about his opposition to the immigration effort in 2007. The A.F.L.-C.I.O., for instance, praised him for his stance.

“If poverty is increasing, and if wages are going down,” Mr. Sanders said that year, “I don’t know why we need millions of people to be coming into this country as guest workers who will work for lower wages than American workers and drive wages down even lower than they are right now.”

link: http://www.nytimes.com/live/first-democratic-debate-cnn-election-2016/fact-check-bernie-sanders-explains-opposing-immigration-bill/

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
30. So he was trying to prevent abuse of workers?
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:24 PM
Oct 2015

The NYT saying it was about 'fraud' is a bit misleading there then. Thanks. So back to being on Bernie's side on pretty much every vote, then.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
32. From the horse's mouth is always the best source.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:41 PM
Oct 2015

I really like and admire that he will always explain each and every vote he has made.

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