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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:29 AM Oct 2015

Joe Biden’s greatest betrayal: The one Senate vote that makes it hard to support a Biden run

Any day now, Vice President Joe Biden is set to announce whether he’ll run for president, thus flummoxing the Democratic field and making life unnecessarily more difficult for the current pair of highly qualified frontrunners, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. There’s much to be said about why Biden should gracefully decline to run and, frankly, the left would do well to assert itself against his would-be candidacy. Not only would Biden give the traditional press another reason to manufacture a false equivalence between, say, Donald Trump’s buffoonery and Joe Biden’s penchant for blurting awkward things, but just beneath Biden’s likability lurks a darker side that ought to summarily repulse the left, and especially anyone who was screwed by the Great Recession.

On several occasions throughout the past 15 years, the colossally powerful banking lobby unsuccessfully pushed for new legislation to tighten the rules pertaining to who can file for bankruptcy protection, and how much protection they’ll receive. The first time in recent memory occurred in 2000, when then-President Clinton pocket-vetoed bankruptcy reform legislation at the request of First Lady Hillary Clinton, who had been convinced to do so by a little known Harvard professor and vocal reformer named Elizabeth Warren. Joe Biden, on the other hand, voted for the bill. Another bill in 2001 failed to pass with Biden’s vote. But the 2001 bill was resurrected after George W. Bush’s second inauguration.

The Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act (BAPCPA) was passed in April, 2005 by the U.S. Senate in a 74-25 vote, including the “yea” vote of Joe Biden, and was quickly signed by President Bush.

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/21/joe_bidens_greatest_betrayal_the_one_senate_vote_that_makes_it_hard_to_support_a_biden_run/

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treestar

(82,383 posts)
3. I wish people would quit using words like "betrayal"
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:33 AM
Oct 2015

over a vote they don't agree with. What about the other 73 Senators? Each one represents their state, not non-state perfectionists who think the Senate is there to serve their minority agenda.

Biden represented his state there and there is no way to expect a Senator to do otherwise.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
13. As were the 25 Senators who voted No, all Democrats, while 18 Democrats joined 55 Republicans
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:13 AM
Oct 2015

and Independent Jim Jeffords. The majority of Democratic Senators voted No and they were:
Akaka (D-HI)
Boxer (D-CA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Wyden (D-OR)

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
9. Yes, because if rich patrons want you to withhold federal protections from poor
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:01 AM
Oct 2015

constituents in financial trouble, then you should do it.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
11. What rich patrons?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:06 AM
Oct 2015

Maryland Bank was the big Delaware Employer at the time. Lots of middle class and working class people worked for them.

Before that it was the DuPont Company and a lot of Delaware law favors them (this is why Delaware Corporate law is so easy on corporations).

Delaware is small and one company can become an outsize employer. And then the rest of the companies benefit from that as people have money from working for big Delaware Employer.

No, it would not be a few rich donors. It would be everyone working for that company and others seeing that company as bringing prosperity to Delaware.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
12. Because "corporations are people, my friend"?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:11 AM
Oct 2015

Nonsense, and you know it.

You're obviously trying to obfuscate that vote. I'm not buying it. Someone else may, but I'm done with you.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
17. He was representing Delaware and I'm telling you about Delaware
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:08 PM
Oct 2015

Because you don't want to hear it does not make it not true.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
10. This is really my ONLY objection to Joe. Can never forgive him for this.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:03 AM
Oct 2015

I do like him a lot, but this vote was inexcusable.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
14. His (mis)handling of the Clarence Thomas hearings was worse.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:31 AM
Oct 2015

The Bankruptcy bill passes with him or without him... In the Thomas hearings it can be argued if not for Biden's (mis) handling of it Thomas could have been stopped.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
15. Yes, that was probably worse; however the bankruptcy bill needed his co-sponsorship
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:33 AM
Oct 2015

in the Senate in order to be brought to a vote, and he obliged.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
16. That was a horrible vote...
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:39 AM
Oct 2015

That was a horrible vote...It precluded broke people from getting on with their lives and deterring them from declaring bankruptcy in the first place. It put many of them in a position of living with their debt, not getting a reset, and living with the constant harassment from debt collectors.

In the Bible there is a Jubilee where debts are forgiven.

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