2016 Postmortem
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but after the polls showing Clinton winning debate and gaining ground and bernie losing ground the establishment convinced Biden
not to run after encourging him to run feeling like they don't need a backup plan.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)He surveyed the field and decided there wasn't a pathway to victory...I believe when I made that prediction on 10/13/15 you said to me "you're lost."
That's okay...It's water under the bridge now...
Joe, "there's no shame in quitting while you're ahead."
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It is the exact same thing as saying he was assessing his chances at being victorious in the primary.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)The only people pushing the 'backup plan conspiracy' are the 'Not Hillary' Party and paid political pundits.
Beausoir
(7,540 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I think Biden is intelligent enough that the "establishment" didn't need to convince him of anything.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I loved Edie Falco's work as Carmella Soprano and Nurse Jackie.
She could play Hillary in a biopic.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I think strong women rock... I was raised by a widowed mom...Hillary reminds me of my mom in appearance and demeanor...My dad was a Golden Gloves boxer and Purple Heart recipient but when it came to standing up for herself my mom was the strong one. My dad shied away from confrontation. My mom went head first into it.
bowens43
(16,064 posts)BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Brilliant!
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Must....have....conspiracy.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Beausoir
(7,540 posts)😆
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Income-inequality, Citizens United, et. al.
And Joe's been dinging Hillary over the past week, and during his speech, saying
he's NOT supporting her, suggesting calling R's "enemies" isn't wise, etc.
Hilllary is NOT a candidate who Joe feels will "continue Obama's legacy" i.e. to
finish the job Obama started. I'm starting to think that the adults in the WH
may do something totally unexpected and end up endorsing Bernie Sanders at
some point, at just the right time.
Seriously, who else is the WH going to support, given that Biden is out?
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)It is not often in life that one gets to fully support a candidate who is TRULY their
"Dream Candidate" <-- best candidate ever, since RFK.
I'd be a fool not to, especially since -- unlike Nader or Kucinich -- Bernie is in this
to win it, and he's poised to have a genuine shot at the nomination. This is totally
not 'in the tank' for Hillary, tho I know many of her supporters love to believe otherwise.
katmondoo
(6,454 posts)They have done everything possible to make sure Obama was unable to govern. The constant attacks against the Clintons for decades and they will continue if she gets the nomination, if she wins the Presidency it will be no holds barred. I believe she can handle it as she knows her enemy but it will still not be easy. Yes Joe, the Republicans are the enemy not all but most.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)as usual,I don't think he did it on purpose,but now is the time to drive home that the GOP has lost its mind and would rather destroy the country than compromise.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)We have a great group of candidates, and I will vote for the nominee.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)hope your days finally get a little brighter.
Renew Deal
(81,852 posts)I think it sealed it.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)decision made according to how the Corporate Owned talking heads pushed Hillary, while erasing online poll results, ignoring focus group results, after-the-debate fundraising and picking up tens of thousands new Twitter followers and most Googled stats, is a HUGE miscalculation on their part.
Hillary is not going to be the nominee, so.....all their backroom dirty dealings were for naught.
No, you're not cynical. You're in sync with D.C. dirty politics. That's what they do. They THINK they can choose who THEY want to be the candidate and they can't. Not anymore.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Where's your evidence of this?
Surely you wouldn't make an allegation like that without evidence to back it up...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)eom
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Where you in these "back rooms"?
How do you know this?
FSogol
(45,466 posts)Maybe it is as simple as, Biden didn't feel like running.