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MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:33 PM Oct 2015

Primary Campaign Reset!

Joe Biden pushed the Reset button on the primary campaign today, by announcing that he won't seek the Democratic nomination for President.

The inclusion of his name in recent polls has been based on the possibility of a run by the VP, and he garnered up to 20% or so in many polls. Now that he has withdrawn, his name will disappear from future polls. Indeed, a few had already removed his name to test the effect of his withdrawal.

The results of those tests, in national polls, was a good-sized bump for Clinton. Next week's polling will show how much of a bump Clinton gets from his announcement that he will not run.

My prediction: Clinton gets the bulk of Biden's poll numbers.

Another prediction: Biden won't be endorsing Bernie Sanders. He said, in his speech, that he wants to see the "Obama legacy" continued. I think the meaning of that will become clear fairly shortly.

The Campaign is Reset. Watch the poll results!

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Primary Campaign Reset! (Original Post) MineralMan Oct 2015 OP
Yeah,the Obama legacy comment was a real tell. nt sufrommich Oct 2015 #1
That didn't sound like a call for a revolution to me. MineralMan Oct 2015 #2
. BootinUp Oct 2015 #4
Joe alluded to it a few days this last few days. riversedge Oct 2015 #8
Whatever. Biden's already challenged Clinton and praised Sanders. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #3
People seem to forget both Hillary & Joe were once Obama's primary adversaries. Historic NY Oct 2015 #5
Do they forget? I doubt it. They'll also remember MineralMan Oct 2015 #7
YUP!! Historic NY Oct 2015 #19
He was never in the race AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #6
I've been predicting he wouldn't run from the very start. MineralMan Oct 2015 #10
Really looking forward to seeing those new numbers! MoonRiver Oct 2015 #9
I hope he does also. As he said--we can defeat cancer. And I believe that. riversedge Oct 2015 #14
Thank you riversedge! MoonRiver Oct 2015 #18
Ted Strickland--Joe the enforcer--will make sure no one strays too far from Obama. riversedge Oct 2015 #11
That's just an opinion. There will be lots of those, MineralMan Oct 2015 #15
Enough to make one dizzy. riversedge Oct 2015 #16
Yes. There's much for Clinton supporters to celebrate today. MineralMan Oct 2015 #17
When it comes to the TPP neither Hillary or Bernie are in favor. That'll be interesting. Metric System Oct 2015 #21
It also means the media must now treat Sanders as Clnton's only significant opponent Tom Rinaldo Oct 2015 #12
True. But what message will the media deliver? MineralMan Oct 2015 #13
Why do I keep hearing the sound of crickets? MineralMan Oct 2015 #20
He also covered pretty much all of Bernie's main talking points. glinda Oct 2015 #22
Oddly enough, most of those are also Hillary's talking points. MineralMan Oct 2015 #23
What reset? brooklynite Oct 2015 #24
Watch the polls. The reset is that MineralMan Oct 2015 #25

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
2. That didn't sound like a call for a revolution to me.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:37 PM
Oct 2015

Not in any way. I don't know if a direct endorsement will be forthcoming, but it seems clear to me what he meant by continuing the "Obama legacy."

I expect wailing and gnashing of teeth to commence almost immediately.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
3. Whatever. Biden's already challenged Clinton and praised Sanders.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:39 PM
Oct 2015

"Obama legacy" is just words. His actions have been louder.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
7. Do they forget? I doubt it. They'll also remember
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:42 PM
Oct 2015

that Joe became VP and Hillary became Secretary of State in the Obama administration. That seems quite relevant to all of this to me. How about you?

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
6. He was never in the race
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:42 PM
Oct 2015

Once he said he didn't know if he could handle it emotionally, it wasn't gonna happen.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
10. I've been predicting he wouldn't run from the very start.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:44 PM
Oct 2015

I felt sure about that quite some time ago. I even hinted that it might be an intentional feint. I don't know if that's true, but it always seemed possible to me, as a means of giving Clinton a boost about at this point in the campaign. I'm pretty certain the boost will occur, so...

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
9. Really looking forward to seeing those new numbers!
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:44 PM
Oct 2015

Also, I sincerely hope Joe does work to help find a cancer cure. I'm a survivor and his commitment to the cause means so much.

riversedge

(70,095 posts)
14. I hope he does also. As he said--we can defeat cancer. And I believe that.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:49 PM
Oct 2015

I do hope you are doing well. I have close relatives who have survived- but one 30 yr old fighting breast cancer right now. Going thru radiation. She gets so sick. so sick. Actually she is an in-law but the effect on the family is horrible. She has a 17 month old.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
18. Thank you riversedge!
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:57 PM
Oct 2015

I am fine. Was diagnosed almost 4 years ago with early stage breast cancer. Went through everything except chemo, thank Dog! My main problem has been side effects from the hormonal treatment they give we estrogen positive people. Long story. I'm so sorry your family member is suffering. My heart goes out to the young women. It's Just so unfair and tragic when they are stricken with this monster.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
17. Yes. There's much for Clinton supporters to celebrate today.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:54 PM
Oct 2015

This announcement is almost certain to give her a big polling bump, added to the bump from the first debate.

That could have been the plan, actually. I don't know, but that has occurred to me for some time. If so, it's a good plan, and one that's likely to succeed.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
12. It also means the media must now treat Sanders as Clnton's only significant opponent
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:47 PM
Oct 2015

Which they have bent over backwards not to do for months now by focusing on Biden as much as possible. Far more polling has been done in the last few months showing how Biden would match up against various Republican candidates than has been done with Sanders. - which is pretty amazing when you realize that not only was Biden never a candidate, but Sanders has virtually always been outperforming Biden in polls.

The media will continue to concentrate on the Republican contest for President, but with at least 5 more Democratic debates schedules and no one other than Clinton and Sanders polling in double digits, Sanders will start getting more attention. They need some aspect of a horse race to report on if nothing else.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
13. True. But what message will the media deliver?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:48 PM
Oct 2015

I'm not sure. It could be a Hillary victory message, with the focus shifting to the General Election already.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
20. Why do I keep hearing the sound of crickets?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:01 PM
Oct 2015

It's Fall. They should have gone silent by now. Chirp-chirp.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
23. Oddly enough, most of those are also Hillary's talking points.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:36 PM
Oct 2015

They're also common goals for Democrats. I wouldn't read much into that. What is important to everyone is that a Democrat win the General Election. That is the overriding goal.

brooklynite

(94,384 posts)
24. What reset?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:09 PM
Oct 2015

Clinton was handily in first place, Sanders was doing respectably well, and O'Malley/Chafee were...not.

What's changed?

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
25. Watch the polls. The reset is that
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:12 PM
Oct 2015

Hillary Clinton will shortly have a lead in the polls that shows her as the clear winner of the nomination. That's the reset. The question will be answered as to who will be the nominee of the Democratic Party.

It will be obvious to all.

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