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Did anyone notice Biden endorsed "free" (Original Post) INdemo Oct 2015 OP
I totally noticed that, alongside his several digs at Hillary. 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #1
Well we'll see... HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #2
I doubt that would happen jfern Oct 2015 #48
Joe Biden read the speech he was going to enter the sufrommich Oct 2015 #3
No POTUS or VPOTUS has ever endorsed until the Primary was over. leftofcool Oct 2015 #4
Exactly. eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2015 #5
Agreed. But POLICY is clearly being endorsed Scootaloo Oct 2015 #13
Right and once those policies become popular we all know where Hillary will stand. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #15
She has had her college education policy on her site for sometime BainsBane Oct 2015 #46
You're assuming I don't know what her position is. I do. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #47
You have that backwards BainsBane Oct 2015 #39
Point of fact, it's not Scootaloo Oct 2015 #40
You could look at her education plan on the webiste BainsBane Oct 2015 #41
I'm going by her own words Scootaloo Oct 2015 #43
and that translates to denying education to the poor? BainsBane Oct 2015 #45
If it's POLICY that is being endorsed, then let's look at it the other way around.... George II Oct 2015 #42
And it's still not opposing free tuition just to score points against Trump. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #44
#1 riversedge Oct 2015 #24
Yes, sure did notice that...nice endorsement of Bernie even tho he certainly couldn't do so by name. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #6
I guess he isn't that into an h presidency... artislife Oct 2015 #9
What I heard was clear wording on support for Sander's issues ViseGrip Oct 2015 #7
i didnt know about his concern with family dynasties. Interesting. snagglepuss Oct 2015 #8
I heard a clear statement that he was supporting Skidmore Oct 2015 #10
You THINK so, huh? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #14
Well, he's definitely against TPP, TTIP, etc. And he wants to bring back Glass Steagall and break up hedda_foil Oct 2015 #18
Obamacare for starters riversedge Oct 2015 #26
Do tell, riversedge. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #27
I thought Obamacare was passed so that we could build on it. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #37
Yes he totally parroted Bernie. I watched the whole thing. KoKo Oct 2015 #11
That stood out to me. glinda Oct 2015 #12
What's clear is that people are going to hear what they want to hear. onenote Oct 2015 #16
Biden is an institutional candidate he won't endorse Bernie, he will close ranks with the president JRLeft Oct 2015 #17
Neither of them are going to endorse anyone in the primaries. nt sufrommich Oct 2015 #19
Did anyone noticed his tie said "Bernie 2016"? zappaman Oct 2015 #20
Lol. nt sufrommich Oct 2015 #21
He is not running, so never mind. Tipperary Oct 2015 #22
Did anyone notice he had his fingers crossed? zappaman Oct 2015 #23
Hillary is the only candidate to release a free college policy paper. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #25
Did you look for Bernie's? Here it is... thesquanderer Oct 2015 #33
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #36
Did anyone notice he blinked "Sanders 2016" in morse code? zappaman Oct 2015 #28
Sorry to disappoint, but all he was doing was reiterating a position he took nine months ago: George II Oct 2015 #29
He went further today, talking 4 years instead of 2 thesquanderer Oct 2015 #34
It really isn't hard to support those things but it is much more difficult put into practice. nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #30
it was a de facto endorsement of bernie restorefreedom Oct 2015 #31
Did anyone notice him looking to the side and winkng at someone? zappaman Oct 2015 #32
if anything Joe Biden is a very good polititian olddots Oct 2015 #35
Did anyone notice his Sanders 2016 hat? zappaman Oct 2015 #38
Does Sanders have a hat like the Donald? riversedge Oct 2015 #49
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
1. I totally noticed that, alongside his several digs at Hillary.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:57 PM
Oct 2015

Either it's more window-dressing, not unlike Hillary's, or it might be something
else way more surprising. who knows?

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
2. Well we'll see...
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:57 PM
Oct 2015

A Biden endorsement for Bernie would be pretty amazing, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
3. Joe Biden read the speech he was going to enter the
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:59 PM
Oct 2015

campaign with. It had nothing to do with Sanders.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
4. No POTUS or VPOTUS has ever endorsed until the Primary was over.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:59 PM
Oct 2015

Both men will endorse the winner of the primary. Obama will actively campaign as will Joe.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
13. Agreed. But POLICY is clearly being endorsed
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:39 PM
Oct 2015

And he didn't advocate denying education to poor Americans in order to thumb his nose at Trump.

BainsBane

(53,016 posts)
46. She has had her college education policy on her site for sometime
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 09:21 PM
Oct 2015
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/college/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/p/briefing/factsheets/2015/08/10/college-compact-costs/

You can find pages on other policies through the links on this page. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

Comments like yours say far more about your own disinclination to inform yourself than anything about Clinton.
 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
47. You're assuming I don't know what her position is. I do.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 09:36 PM
Oct 2015

At least, I know what she's been advocating for the last few months. But if Bernie starts gaining even more traction then who knows what it'll be tomorrow.

BainsBane

(53,016 posts)
39. You have that backwards
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 06:15 PM
Oct 2015

Her policy is to provide assistance to the poor but not the upper-middle class and the wealthy. But then you knew that.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
40. Point of fact, it's not
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 06:29 PM
Oct 2015

She uses Trump's kids as a reason why she doesn't want there to be publicly-funded tuition.

Of course, Trump's kids aren't likely to go to a community college, but you knew that.

And of course if they decided to do so, they're still Americans and deserve the same rights and access as the rest of us, but you knew that, too.

Maybe you ought to stick to theorizing about Sanders 'Retirement package," HillsHouse.

BainsBane

(53,016 posts)
41. You could look at her education plan on the webiste
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:04 PM
Oct 2015

On the off-chance you decide actual policy matters (see links below).

Another poster was already proved wrong about insisting I was HillsHouse, but it is hardly surprising you would distract from your lack of basic information about Clinton's college plan by trying to make a personal jab, yet you can't even manage to make that with any accuracy. You might ask a poster familiar with the dangers of raccoons how that worked out for her.

It's not exactly difficult to read about Clinton's policies. She provided in-depth explanations on her website. You are in fact wrong. She proposes free community college and income-based fees for in-state public universities. Nor does she tax teachers retirement plans and union pension funds to pay for the education of the upper-middle class. True, she isn't committed to the great and noble struggle of the upper 20 percent against the 1 percent. She believes in targeting public resources toward those with the most need, a value that clearly flies in the face of those who use the artifice of the 99% to pretend their $200k annual incomes makes them every bit as exploited as the homeless and working poor.

Clinton's college education policy.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/college/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/p/briefing/factsheets/2015/08/10/college-compact-costs/

Now, you can choose to inform yourself or continue to misrepresent her position. Which choice you make is entirely up to you, whether you actually care about the issue, and the nature of your character.

You can find pages on other policies through the links on this page. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/ They diverge signficantly from Sanders in that they are far more developed and specific than what one finds on his website.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
43. I'm going by her own words
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:48 PM
Oct 2015
"Now, I'm a little different from those who say free college for everybody. I am not in favor of making college free for Donald Trump's kids. I am in favor of making college free for your grandson by having no debt tuition," Clinton told an undecided 71-year-old voter identified as Candy during the event, broadcast live Monday on NBC's "Today."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-criticize-bernie-sanders-college-plan-214424#ixzz3pFkqaitP


Maybe you ought to learn the difference between populism and demagoguery.

BainsBane

(53,016 posts)
45. and that translates to denying education to the poor?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 09:17 PM
Oct 2015

Not in English.

Debates and most TV appearances provide a very brief time slot for someone to discuss their positions. For some candidates, everything they have to say can fit neatly in those time limits. Not so with Clinton; She takes policy seriously. What informed voters do is go read about the policies of the various candidates rather than repeat false claims and then refuse to read their policies. However, not every voter chooses to be informed. Some prefer a world of television soundbites.

I'd hazard a guess that I'm more familiar with populism (having taught about it at the college level) than you are, and I can't think of a single example that hasn't involved demagoguery.

George II

(67,782 posts)
42. If it's POLICY that is being endorsed, then let's look at it the other way around....
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:21 PM
Oct 2015

....Biden proposed a free tuition policy back in January.

So I guess it is Sanders that endorsed Biden's policy.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
6. Yes, sure did notice that...nice endorsement of Bernie even tho he certainly couldn't do so by name.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:01 PM
Oct 2015

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
9. I guess he isn't that into an h presidency...
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:15 PM
Oct 2015

He may go along to get along if she wins the primary, but he isn't an enthusiastic supporter.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
7. What I heard was clear wording on support for Sander's issues
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:06 PM
Oct 2015

If he ran, it was to stop two families from continuing to occupy our White House, the wishes of Beau. Now that he's 'missed his window', I don't see him doing anything different while not being on the ticket. He'll honor his son's wishes regardless, by talking up Sanders's issues. That's my take.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
10. I heard a clear statement that he was supporting
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:17 PM
Oct 2015

someone who would continue the Obama administration legacy. I don't think Sanders fits that description. I think he's trying to tear it down.

hedda_foil

(16,371 posts)
18. Well, he's definitely against TPP, TTIP, etc. And he wants to bring back Glass Steagall and break up
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:57 PM
Oct 2015

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
37. I thought Obamacare was passed so that we could build on it.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 04:37 PM
Oct 2015

That was what was said at the time by many supporters of Obamacare.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
12. That stood out to me.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:37 PM
Oct 2015

Those were Bernie's main talking points. Over and over again. He owns them. No matter who repeats them.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
17. Biden is an institutional candidate he won't endorse Bernie, he will close ranks with the president
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:51 PM
Oct 2015

behind Hillary.

Response to JaneyVee (Reply #25)

thesquanderer

(11,972 posts)
34. He went further today, talking 4 years instead of 2
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 04:09 PM
Oct 2015

"We're fighting for fourteen years? We need to commit to sixteen years of free public education."

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
31. it was a de facto endorsement of bernie
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:56 PM
Oct 2015

he doesn't have to say his name. all of the policies he advocated for are the same positions as Bernie. Add that to the fact that he's been taking swipes at Hillary for a while now, most people smart enough to connect the dots.

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