2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie would be a much larger threat if he ran as independent.
I used to think he HAD to run as a Democrat. But with the little debate schedule and the corporatist media, I may have been mistaken.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)LOL, color me unamazed.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)emulatorloo
(43,982 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)And you should be grateful he isn't.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)All of his supporters are going to demand that Bernie runs a third party bid if he doesn't get the democratic party nomination.
And its becoming apparent that he isn't going to get it, so the calls for him to go third party start up. So damn predictable.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)...and thereby gifted the election to the Republicans. America is a country that just refuses to elect 3rd party candidates to major offices. It's a sad reality, and Bernie was correct in seeing this.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And much more likely to split the liberal vote. Resulting in a conservative win. THus why he's said he's not going to do so, period.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Who do like President Cruz? President Trump?
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)Wishful thinking is wishful. Bernie Sanders has no desire at all to be a spoiler in a Presidential election, thank goodness. He has been absolutely clear on that from the very beginning.
What your post does show, though, is that you recognize the unlikelihood of him winning the nomination. That's a good start.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)You should be thankful he chose the path he did.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)would never have run as a spoiler candidate. He has behaved honorably by running as a Democrat, and will endorse the Democratic nominee if he is not successful in becoming that nominee.
I like Bernie Sanders very much, and believe he will continue to be of great service as a senior Senator for many years to come. I do not think he will be the Democratic nominee, although I certainly would vote for him if he were.
I hope you will do the same and vote for the Democratic nominee, whoever that may be. In fact, I'll count on it.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)This OP is a prime example of why I use the phrase, 'Not Hillary' Party.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Too bad you don't understand what he's saying and trying to do.
It has nothing to do with Hillary, per se.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)The movement he is working on is for the long haul. Life won't wait for my family but may help others in the future.
The above OP is a complete outlier statistically speaking.
I wouldn't base anything on it.
Response to mmonk (Original post)
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sufrommich
(22,871 posts)in the White House.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)become president.
emulatorloo
(43,982 posts)He's running as a Democrat, and won't run as an independent if he doesn't get the Democratic nomination.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)He would split the party and guarantee a Republican in the Whitehouse.
Sanders is running for the Democratic nomination because he knows that is his only shot and he doesn't want to guarantee a Republican in the White House.
The most successful third party run in history was Teddy Roosevelt. He won 27% of the vote, 88 electoral votes, and guaranteed Taft (Republican) lost the 1912 election. If he duplicated what Roosevelt did, all he would do was elect the Republicans.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)You have a right to your opinions and snark. It makes the world go round I suppose. Welcome back anyway.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)a bit rude.
No need to welcome me. Suggestions resembling the one in the op will cease to be standard protocol once the inevitable Sander's loss occurs.
It was not snark but my honest assesment of his managerial, interpersonal, and leadership abilities. Once I witnessed the many unappealing conspiracy theories being pushed by his grassroots, it was very apparent that he lacked the skills necessary to build a coalition large and diverse enough to win the nomination. This is merely a critical assesment of the trajectory of his campaign and the demographics of his coalition.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)And I still welcome you back because you didn't deserve to be ousted.
Renew Deal
(81,802 posts)And I mean it.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Just stop it and focus all your energy on getting out the vote In Real Life.
Bernie is doing well and doing better all the time. We are in it to win it. Not to just be some goddamned spoiler.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)I like Biden, but I think he made the right decision.
zappaman
(20,605 posts)Oh wait...he's not a Democrat?
Never mind.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)If he ran as an independent he'd be just another Ralph Nader, and all throughout the horrific Trump Administration, DUers would be snarling "Fuck Bernie Sanders!" at the mere mention of his name.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)But he's not doing that. And I expect that he will strongly endorse Hillary and campaign vigorously for her in the general. Unlike some of his supporters, Bernie understands full well the difference between the Dems and the GOP.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I have said from the start that I'm happy he is doing it the way he is. He is an amazing addition to the party and the public will recognize him as being strongly connected to the party from this day forward. I love that.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)She has decided to ignore all of bernies ideas that attracted and motivated voters - healthcare for all, expansion of social security, $15 minimum wage, Pentagon cuts, glass Steagall, college tuition, wall street regulation, and so on. She is running as a republican from the 80's. if Bernie decides to run as an independent, and garners enough votes so that Clinton loses, the blame will rest with her for snubbing Sanders voters and trying to instead curry favor with republicans.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Your straw man is just that. Yours. You seem to have completely missed the topic and gone full rant. I understand why.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Hillary has rejected that platform. It is the height of entitled arrogance to believe they will all show up to vote for someone who is so far from Sanders ideologically.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Renew Deal
(81,802 posts)He'd still lose.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)and we'll as a nation continue on the death spiral.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)It's a good thing he's not the sort of person to have an enemies list.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)It, like Mrs Clinton, has no principles any more. They had a chance to embrace his platform and scoop up all of those motivated voters, but chose wall street instead.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)I don't think he'd do that, well i'm 99% sure he wouldn't, I don't think he's signed a loyalty pledge to the Dem party yet though has he? I'm not finding anything about it on Google, so correct me if I'm wrong.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)The debate schedule, it could be better but really, it's not that big a deal. The media we have today is the media we had last month. Did you just notice them?
More of a threat to...?
mmonk
(52,589 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)that about? Threats? Francis did the same thing 'threats to the family'. I'm sick of the drama, hyperbole and lack of exactitude.
Threats are not good things.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)I'm not ok with the status quo. Yes, there are more like me seeing the failure of the financialization of the US vs what flavor to choose.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)He is our voice for the solution.
Neoliberals and Republicans are the threat.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)Shaking them up.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I just like to be careful of the terminology we use. Framing is important.
WDIM
(1,662 posts)unless you are a democrat or repuglinant.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)My op stands however as more people across the country are frustrated.
LostOne4Ever
(9,267 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Which seems about as likely as him running as an independent.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)He'd never win as a third party candidate, and I'm glad he chose not to be a spoiler.
However, tere is a par of me that wold prefer that Clinton and the Democrats be running scared all the way through the election, rathr than just saying "Okay now for the General. To hell with those captive progressives. Now we're going for those center-right swing voters."
mythology
(9,527 posts)All that would accomplish is splitting the vote of people on the left. Look at what happened in Maine when that happened. They got stuck with Paul LePage.
There is no runoff in the presidential race. At this point Sanders is getting 25 to 30 percent of the left most part of the Democratic base. And yet you think if he decided to run with his same positions he will suddenly win a plurality of a much more conservative universe of voters? How? No fairy tale pie in the sky people will love him. Draw a map based on some sort of evidence as to how he gets there.
FSogol
(45,360 posts)Xyzse
(8,217 posts)Me and people like me will never consider voting for him.
Unless a 3rd party is able to have at least 2 Senators and 4 Congresspersons as a party, I will not consider voting for any one an Independent party floats for the Presidency.
Even if I like them a lot.