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bigtree

(85,984 posts)
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:54 PM Oct 2015

Sorry, Joe. We need to END republicanism, not partner with them

Democratic principles need to dominate the political arena, not sidle up beside republicans looking for some reciprocal grope. Republicanism is not just an opposition party, it is a dangerous and destructive philosophy. Put into practice, it is naked corporatism, unquenchable militarism, unashamed discrimination, and anti-democratic tyranny. This republican class who is in power right now is the worst in my lifetime; nothing but a front for their corporate masters.

They are putting our nation at risk and threatening the health of the earth itself. They intend to roll back and eliminate much of the progress that's been made by government on behalf of the least fortunate among us. This shouldn't be just a battle to just sit a couple of rungs above them. They need to be disenfranchised from successfully promoting and furthering their agenda.

"Reaching out" to them will be regarded by these thugs as acceptance and acquiescence. They need to be taken down, and their supporters need to understand we're not willing to subject the nation, any more, to the consequences of the republican party's elaborate con job masquerading as policy.

I can see the republicans standing with the Democrats we elect to carry out our progressive agenda...Smiling, shaking hands...SOMEONE in that arrangement has to lose. The issues and concerns we face break down into longstanding efforts to bring about changes which have been obstructed by a republican agenda which is designed to derail those efforts, not replace them with something more accommodating to the needs of the nation. All of their proposals are phony, disguised as legitimate legislation, designed to derail the 'change' Democratic voters say they want. That's the real world.

There is no republican class in power to work with. Their agenda is a sham designed to obstruct the changes we want and need. It may sound wonderful to imagine that comity and respect will transcend all of that, but, if don't have a Democratic majority large enough to overcome their filibusters, we'll be just as stymied as we are today.

We shouldn't pretend that there aren't specific issues which form a dividing line. Most of these, on the Democratic side, are long standing efforts to provide basic needs and to uphold or establish basic rights which the republicans obstruct with whatever position or strategy suits the moment, often completely running over their previous philosophy, like their former objections to 'nation-building', or conservatives' former support of privacy rights.

What the Vice President left unsaid today is that many of the compromises he's seeking may well make sense in the political arena - like clearing some untidy backlog of unfinished business - yet, most of those compromises threaten divide many in the country from the Democratic party which has pledged and fought to support and defend these opportunistically-discarded initiatives in the past. That 'partisanship' was a NECESSARY response to republican obstructionism.

These days, our party doesn't have a progressive agenda; it has a timid and defensive one in the face of an extreme republican opposition, and I reject any implication that our Democratic politics has EVER been unnecessarily confrontational. These 'lifelong republicans' need to be CHALLENGED and discredited when they try and push their obstructionist, industry enabling agenda, not mollycoddled.

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Sorry, Joe. We need to END republicanism, not partner with them (Original Post) bigtree Oct 2015 OP
Recommended. mmonk Oct 2015 #1
However, the vice president can't SAY that. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #2
As long as they are elected treestar Oct 2015 #3
end 'republicanism' bigtree Oct 2015 #4
Curious as to what you mean by "Disenfranchise" onenote Oct 2015 #6
Joe Biden looks to be talking about the political class of republicans bigtree Oct 2015 #7
Then perhaps a candidate shouldn't be talking about a "warm purple place" jeff47 Oct 2015 #5
That's just campaign rhetoric, easily dismissed by ignoring it away Fumesucker Oct 2015 #8
It's fun watching the bounce between jeff47 Oct 2015 #9
Keep your friends close, your enemies closer Fumesucker Oct 2015 #16
someone ought to provide some rebuttal to that candidate here. bigtree Oct 2015 #10
How can you rebut someone who is on both sides of an issue? Fumesucker Oct 2015 #14
Go right ahead. You're the one arguing Republicans are the enemy. jeff47 Oct 2015 #19
yes, I'm at odds with "warm purple space" bigtree Oct 2015 #20
Then provide the rebuttal you asked for in #10. (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #21
the op's my rebuttal bigtree Oct 2015 #23
well said noiretextatique Oct 2015 #11
Well if there weren't a significant amount of Americans who are Republicans, I would agree. phleshdef Oct 2015 #12
You're never going to end conservative thinking StrongBad Oct 2015 #13
that would suppose political attitudes and agendas have remained static bigtree Oct 2015 #15
But there have always been detractors. And in some cases detractors were silenced by force. StrongBad Oct 2015 #18
Obama has been trying to work with Republicans for the last 8 years. octoberlib Oct 2015 #17
This kind of stench just filters down to the local government where they think it's Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #22

treestar

(82,383 posts)
3. As long as they are elected
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:01 PM
Oct 2015

they have to be dealt with. The only way to "end" it is to convince voters not to vote them in. You can't just "end" those voters.

bigtree

(85,984 posts)
7. Joe Biden looks to be talking about the political class of republicans
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:12 PM
Oct 2015

...that's what I'm focusing on.

Citizen's United comes to mind. Also, we need to be more effective in countering their media propaganda which enables, not only republican pols, but perpetuates their political appeals. More...

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
5. Then perhaps a candidate shouldn't be talking about a "warm purple place"
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:08 PM
Oct 2015

where that candidate will work with Republicans.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
8. That's just campaign rhetoric, easily dismissed by ignoring it away
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:13 PM
Oct 2015

On the other hand though Biden's comment is completely serious and must be paid attention to because reasons.

Did I get that about right?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
9. It's fun watching the bounce between
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:16 PM
Oct 2015

"Must be able to work with Republicans" and "Republicans must be destroyed".

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
16. Keep your friends close, your enemies closer
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:28 PM
Oct 2015

Made Machiavelli look like a Boy Scout

Sorry about that let it all hang out

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
14. How can you rebut someone who is on both sides of an issue?
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:24 PM
Oct 2015

Warm Purple Space where we can get things done versus Republicans who are my enemies.

What is there to rebut?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
19. Go right ahead. You're the one arguing Republicans are the enemy.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:32 PM
Oct 2015

Thus at odds with "warm purple space".

bigtree

(85,984 posts)
23. the op's my rebuttal
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:42 PM
Oct 2015

...what more needs to be said? It's a rejection of warm fuzzies for republicanism from whatever camp it comes from (including my own candidate, O'Malley).

My comment was sarcasm. The op IS my rebuttal. Take it or leave it.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
11. well said
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:17 PM
Oct 2015

time to stop being cowards and/or enablers and/or co-conspirators. long past time to set the agenda vs. being drug along by it.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
12. Well if there weren't a significant amount of Americans who are Republicans, I would agree.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:18 PM
Oct 2015

That clearly isn't the case... and I'm counting Republican leaning people who aren't registered with a party as well.

 

StrongBad

(2,100 posts)
13. You're never going to end conservative thinking
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:21 PM
Oct 2015

Though it might not always be the majority, it will always be there. Recent research has even been pointing to the potential fact that a lot of political affiliations are genetic in nature and people think a certain way as a result.

Any statement saying that one day conservative thought will no longer exists is pure wishful thinking.

bigtree

(85,984 posts)
15. that would suppose political attitudes and agendas have remained static
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:25 PM
Oct 2015

...when we know those political ideals and affinities have been transformed by activism and advocacy countless times over the decades.

 

StrongBad

(2,100 posts)
18. But there have always been detractors. And in some cases detractors were silenced by force.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:30 PM
Oct 2015

There has never been (nor will there ever will be) a time where there hasn't been some liberal/conservative divide.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/19/genetics-politics-beliefs-encoded-genes-video_n_4455391.html

So you're proposing undertaking a fruitless task.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
17. Obama has been trying to work with Republicans for the last 8 years.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:29 PM
Oct 2015

They'd rather see the government come crashing down than compromise. Where has Biden been during all this and why does he think working with these radical reactionaries is even possible? The GOP treats us as enemies and Biden is letting them off the hook for their behavior. I have a big problem with this. Thanks for your OP.

Baitball Blogger

(46,697 posts)
22. This kind of stench just filters down to the local government where they think it's
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 02:39 PM
Oct 2015

a free-for all, conspiring with members of the other party at the expense of defenseless homeowners. It's disgusting.

At the ground level, all you see is money being passed on up to the national levels, and investigations being squelched. Is there a correlation? How would we know, since we don't have any advocates looking after our interests.

When I hear a Democrat saying that they want to cooperate with Republicans, what I hear is: Why can't we be as corrupt as they are?

We need to find a better way.

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