2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI'm afraid it's over.
Biden not running is bad news for the party, even if most folks here don't see it that way now. I would be happy to support Bernie if he can win the nod, but It's clear the DNC and media have already crowned Queen Hillary. I guess there won't be a viable opponent to the GOP ticket. Don't kid yourselves, it will not be Trump, and it will not be easy.
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stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #3)
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upaloopa
(11,417 posts)call a liberal talk show. The first thing they do is throw out one of their bogus talking points then expect the host to make a defense against it.
That is bull shit.
You prove your talking point is fact.
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JTFrog
(14,274 posts)But by all means....
Please proceed. Please proceed governor.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)LonePirate
(13,414 posts)Hillary can sleep through the election season and easily win 20 more. Rubio, Bush or Kasich are the only Repubs that could make any Dem candidate sweat and even then finding 20 more EVs will not be difficult. The media loves to tout the close horse race national polls; but in the EV race - the only one that matters - any Dem, even Hillary - is the overwhelming favorite.
Sanders may turn out more of the youth vote. Hillary will make up for that by grabbing more votes from the 50+ crowd, from whites and from southerners than Obama received in 2012. His 2012 EV total is what she realistically starts with in 2016. She will not lose CO, FL, NV, OH or VA. She likely flips NC back to blue. She makes the Repubs spend time and money in AZ, GA, KY and possibly even TX if Castro is her VP. The Repubs cannot win if they are playing defense in those states. If Trump or Carson somehow end up being the nominee, Hillary will bring blue to some states that have been red for decades.
While I personally would prefer a Sanders presidency, there is little doubt that Clinton will be a powerhouse on Election Day.
D Gary Grady
(133 posts)With all due respect, guys, pretending to laugh at someone's opinion really doesn't advance the conversation. Neither does double-dog-daring somebody to respond so you can pretend to be the winner if they ignore you. Where do you think you are? YouTube?
Worse, it doesn't change any opinions, it makes unnecessary enemies, and it gets in the way of the legitimate points you could otherwise get across.
Hillary does have some serious electoral negatives, especially in connection with her perceived arrogance and lack of honesty and openness. If she's the Democratic nominee I hope nothing blows up that puts President Trump in office. But every other candidate has serious negatives as well. For instance, calling himself a "socialist" hurts Bernie with a lot of voters, not all of whom would necessarily vote Republican anyway. I won't even try to catalog the negatives for the Republicans. A case can be made that there's no way any of the people currently running could possibly get elected, and yet there's a pretty good chance that *somebody* will.
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BooScout
(10,406 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)Because why the hell would we nominate a 3rd wayer with terrible favorables over a more popular actual liberal?
mythology
(9,527 posts)He's made gains but Clinton is ahead nationally by 20 or or so points and that was with Biden in the poll. Evidence says Clinton benefits from Biden dropping out as every poll shows Clinton receiving most of Biden's support.
jfern
(5,204 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)will vote for the candidate they know.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)why the need for this insult.
Other voters may have different criteria, different information, emphasis on other information, but that does not make them "low-information."
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)They believe Bill Clinton was good for the country when he was one of the culprits responsible for the 2007-2008 economic collapse.
For some reason Bill's record hasn't gotten much attention. All sort of terrible deregulation, including Glass Seagall. Welfare reform, NAFTA, and so on. All losers for the lower and middle classes.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)Otherwise no one will know that.
FSogol
(45,468 posts)crown anyone. Show up at your primary or caucus and vote. Get your friends and family voting too.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)FSogol
(45,468 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)FSogol
(45,468 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Hey I am turning 70 next year and I look toward to kicking some repub butt in 2016.
We will have Hillary in the White House,
Sanders, Warren, Harris and Feingold in the Senate.
The Dem party is moving left, the repubs are falling apart.
We may take back the Senate in Nov.
Maybe if we are lucky we can improve our chances in the States.
We most likely can turn the SCOTUS to a liberal majority.
The economy most likely will continue to improve.
Interest rates remain low.
Here in CA we might have a wet winter.
FSogol
(45,468 posts)enid602
(8,607 posts)Ha ha! Bernie Tune crack me up.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)I would not count anyone out as yet. Even as a "Queen Hillary" supporter.
This type of thing is so unnecessary.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 21, 2015, 05:32 PM - Edit history (1)
To caucus for Bernie and tell them to stay home next Feb.?
No fking way. I am go make sure Iowa goes for BERNIE.
mythology
(9,527 posts)I don't get this doom and gloom from some Sanders supporters.
There is still time for Sanders to gain support. He raised an outstanding amount of money last quarter. Even if he doesn't win the nomination he can still influence the tenor of the election and the larger political direction.
There are down ticket races both locally and nationally. Can they really not find any other candidate that appeals to them?
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)It will be a long, long, hard fight. We may very well not win this election, but we have to keep fighting.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Know what to kiss
And when