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sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 04:54 PM Oct 2015

Sanders Proving Hard to Challenge in NH. New Poll Shows him 5 Points Ahead of Hillary!

With all the effort poured into trying to catch Bernie in NH, with the Corp Media and establishment polls, supposedly claiming she won the debate while EVERYONE ELSE disagreed?


Hillary still cannot regain her Front Runner Status in NH!

Sanders Hard To Catch in New Hampshire

A new poll of likely Democratic voters released on Wednesday reaffirmed Sanders’ lead in the early-voting state of New Hampshire.

The Bloomberg/St Anselm poll showed Sanders with a five-point lead in New Hampshire. That very same poll, taken in February showed Hillary Clinton with a 41-point lead. But a lot has changed since them.

Sanders first pulled ahead of Clinton in August, when a Boston Herald/FPU poll put him ahead by seven points. Since then, he has been hard to catch. At one stage, Sanders polled 22 points ahead of Clinton, according to a CBS/YouGov poll.


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Sanders Proving Hard to Challenge in NH. New Poll Shows him 5 Points Ahead of Hillary! (Original Post) sabrina 1 Oct 2015 OP
Months to go, I'm liking Bernies odds! His trajectory is up, hers is down! peacebird Oct 2015 #1
Actually look at RCP site--it is Hillary trajectory is up while Bernie is down. The poll riversedge Oct 2015 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #9
... SidDithers Oct 2015 #17
Online Americans have been sending Bernie record amounts of campaign contributions as well, they're Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #46
yawn V0ltairesGh0st Oct 2015 #12
They're probably tied on NH. JRLeft Oct 2015 #3
I'm sorry until I can have access to the names and phone numbers of all polled... Agschmid Oct 2015 #4
Lol! Unless of course they favor Hillary. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #13
I'm surprised, you're a quick learner aspirant Oct 2015 #15
Actually released yesterday and is only recent poll with Bernie up. DCBob Oct 2015 #5
Is this poll scientific? aspirant Oct 2015 #16
Yes. DCBob Oct 2015 #23
Good, than this pollster gets an A+ aspirant Oct 2015 #27
Why? DCBob Oct 2015 #28
Because we scientifically said so. aspirant Oct 2015 #30
Not to rain on your parade but... brooklynite Oct 2015 #6
PPP poll, 41 to 33 with 4.9 MOE thesquanderer Oct 2015 #38
Not to mention he's ahead in the other 49 states too! zappaman Oct 2015 #7
Her general naivity on everything she posts about Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #54
That's what I heard when I posted online polls for Obama! So few Hillary supporters sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #76
Don't worry, Sabrina. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #79
And facts are kryptonite. zappaman Oct 2015 #81
Why do you hate Michelle Obama? Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #82
And right there is the confirmation of my point. You just can't explain why Hillary sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #85
Fuck me running. Codeine Oct 2015 #58
Glad you like it. It's amazing how unenthusiastic Hillary's supporters are don't you think? sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #75
You seem to confuse being upset with hysterical laughter. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #80
Yes, that confusion seems to happen quite a bit. zappaman Oct 2015 #83
Lol, you have no idea how that thrills me. Or how many people are laughing at you sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #84
Ok. zappaman Oct 2015 #86
Really bothers you, doesn't it? sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #88
Yes and here is a photo example of how much I'm bothered. zappaman Oct 2015 #89
Ugh what an unflattering pic of Hillary! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #90
Nah, I kinda like it. zappaman Oct 2015 #91
oh yeah, forgot about that one. te he! riversedge Oct 2015 #61
Oh! bravenak Oct 2015 #63
I'm getting poll-whiplash FiveGoodMen Oct 2015 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #10
It's not just lying to ME... FiveGoodMen Oct 2015 #11
Oh me too. But I thought I would just join the fun. Fun being, if it favors Bernie, it's sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #14
Now polls get report cards, grades a-f aspirant Oct 2015 #18
Watch what happens to the 'scientific polls' when they can't hide the fact that Bernie sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #44
+1 or was it +21? Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #26
We will NEVER again get accurate CORPORATE OWNED pollster polls, so just ignore them ALL. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #31
Sometimes it is called "JUNK SCIENCE" aspirant Oct 2015 #34
Those unscientific polls you are touting... NCTraveler Oct 2015 #43
there is MUCH on the line for corporate consolidation efforts reddread Oct 2015 #66
I know, but they PUSH their polls. I go with the people polls, but they wanted a 'scientific' poll, sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #47
Wiki just turned NH to Hillary Green! yallerdawg Oct 2015 #19
Is this a scientific switch? aspirant Oct 2015 #22
No... yallerdawg Oct 2015 #37
I hope so, aspirant Oct 2015 #45
I (and Wiki) believe a lot of people need color pictures. yallerdawg Oct 2015 #50
"oh shit" what do color-blind people do? aspirant Oct 2015 #51
Wonderful. Thanks for your post riversedge Oct 2015 #29
Bernie Sanders’s bad day: New Hampshire edition workinclasszero Oct 2015 #20
Hillary's numbers have plummeted from the April polls we saw here on DU on sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #78
Wtf? I am so sick if polling I could puke. I'm happy, but Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #21
19. Wiki just turned NH to Hillary Green! Not a poll but see riversedge Oct 2015 #33
How 'scientific' of them! I'm so impressed! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #49
He was up by 22 points? He's in free fall!!...nt SidDithers Oct 2015 #24
That must be very exciting for you, dear 1%er. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #25
perhaps warrprayer Oct 2015 #32
.... sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #77
Hillary has plummeted from over 80% in April to below 50% now. Bernie has continued to rise sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #36
So he is a close challenger when down by fifteen plus. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #35
Absolutely, she is the Front Runner with all the advantages any candidate could possibly have. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #40
Love it. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #48
It's always entertaining to watch how advocates of 'scientific polls' react when one of them sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #55
Love the Bern .... Miigwech Oct 2015 #39
That's for the people to decide. We know the Corps have decided, but the people have not yet sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #42
A reminder of the past pinebox Oct 2015 #41
I like Julián Castro better for VP. NT. OhZone Oct 2015 #52
Another poll - OhZone Oct 2015 #53
Up Up and away-- riversedge Oct 2015 #62
Just to clarify...the line is "in MY beautiful balloon" brooklynite Oct 2015 #87
Nice! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #70
Doesn't count. They're white. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #56
Bernie has had scientifically counted crowds of over 20,000 more than once aspirant Oct 2015 #57
How did Howard Dean's crowds work out? brooklynite Oct 2015 #59
Scientifically, no comparison aspirant Oct 2015 #60
As good as President Rmoney's huge crowds.. workinclasszero Oct 2015 #71
Or President Obama's huge crowds! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #72
Too bad for you that theres no Barack Hussein Obama workinclasszero Oct 2015 #73
Crowds are great and give motivation to the candidate WI_DEM Oct 2015 #69
PSA: Use both candidates' last names or both their first names. randome Oct 2015 #64
Sanders should have a really good showing in NH Recursion Oct 2015 #65
Niiiiice! n/t in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #67
It's a mixed blessing--NH has become a must win state for Bernie WI_DEM Oct 2015 #68
Looking good PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #74

riversedge

(69,727 posts)
2. Actually look at RCP site--it is Hillary trajectory is up while Bernie is down. The poll
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 05:12 PM
Oct 2015

in the OP was discussed yesterday. Out of last 3 polls in NH Hillary is up over Sanders.

Response to riversedge (Reply #2)

Uncle Joe

(58,112 posts)
46. Online Americans have been sending Bernie record amounts of campaign contributions as well, they're
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 07:08 PM
Oct 2015

not just clicking on polls.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
13. Lol! Unless of course they favor Hillary.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 06:28 PM
Oct 2015

Focus groups, all voted for Bernie.

Tens of thousands of individual donations during the debate, raised millions for Bernie

Most searched on Google during debate? Bernie!

Most new followers on Social Media? Bernie!

The PEOPLE V Corporations. I'll take the people any time.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
5. Actually released yesterday and is only recent poll with Bernie up.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 05:20 PM
Oct 2015

I wouldnt pin too much hope on this one poll.

brooklynite

(93,873 posts)
6. Not to rain on your parade but...
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 05:22 PM
Oct 2015

...the St. Anselm poll was reported yesterday:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=706629

...and has been overtaken by the NPR poll (Clinton +4) and the PPP poll (Clinton +8).

Things do move along...

thesquanderer

(11,955 posts)
38. PPP poll, 41 to 33 with 4.9 MOE
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 07:00 PM
Oct 2015

and NPR, 38 to 34 with 4.9 MOE

so more statistical ties, like the one in the OP.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
76. That's what I heard when I posted online polls for Obama! So few Hillary supporters
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 01:21 PM
Oct 2015

taking the trouble to just click a link to support her. Why is that?

People who drop into threads to say nothing, serve a purpose.


Thanks for doing your job, the only one I've actually seen you do.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
85. And right there is the confirmation of my point. You just can't explain why Hillary
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 02:53 PM
Oct 2015

is so unpopular in online polls. I can't either, but there it is. Bernie, obviously on fire with the people.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
75. Glad you like it. It's amazing how unenthusiastic Hillary's supporters are don't you think?
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 11:05 AM
Oct 2015

I'll be looking for their next poll and will definitely be posting it. I feel so bad that it got a few people so upset, but facts are facts.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
84. Lol, you have no idea how that thrills me. Or how many people are laughing at you
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 02:49 PM
Oct 2015

However, I do understand how it must feel. I remember being in your position when I spent years defending the Clintons eg.

What can you do other than resort to bravado, pretend to be laughing and it's probably not fair for people to laugh at you.

But politics is tough, what can I tell you?

I'm going to check for some more People's Polls later today.

So stay tuned!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
88. Really bothers you, doesn't it?
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 03:26 PM
Oct 2015

Hillary plummeted from 80% early this year, I'm going to have to dig up those daily polls, to where she is today.

Why don't you get out and work for her instead of throwing mini tantrums on unscientific threads on DU?

Maybe that's why she's losing in every single people's poll, her supporters don't seem to be able to promote her.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
90. Ugh what an unflattering pic of Hillary!
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 06:17 PM
Oct 2015

You are very upset. It's obvious to everyone who is watching you desperately trying to appear to be unconcerned. I mean I never bother going into threads I'm not 'bothered by'. Let's face it, you are terribly upset, Your very presence in all pro-Bernie threads demonstrates how upset you are.

Look, it's natural. When your candidate is looking like s/he is not as inevitable as you were led to believe, naturally you are going to be upset.

And they more you struggle to deny that, the more upset you appear to be.

Look, I'm just trying to help you.

zappaman

(20,605 posts)
91. Nah, I kinda like it.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 07:08 PM
Oct 2015

And I do find it funny/sad that you don't know the meaning of the word "upset".

Would you like a definition?

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
8. I'm getting poll-whiplash
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 06:03 PM
Oct 2015

Every day here we see complete contradictions. (He's ahead, no she's ahead)

Some one is lying.

Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #8)

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
11. It's not just lying to ME...
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 06:10 PM
Oct 2015

There are posts on both mutually exclusive sides being made here every day.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
14. Oh me too. But I thought I would just join the fun. Fun being, if it favors Bernie, it's
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 06:32 PM
Oct 2015

'debunked' 'unscientific' but if it favors Hillary, it's just the most credible poll in the entire history of polls.

Lol, see this thread just as antcipated.

C'mon, join the fun. I never get tired of predicting what the responses will be to any poll that shows Hillary losing. Really, we should create some kind of game out of it.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
44. Watch what happens to the 'scientific polls' when they can't hide the fact that Bernie
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 07:06 PM
Oct 2015

is winning AFTER the entire country gets to know him.

I'm guessing we will be reminded of how unreliable the were during the two Bush stolen elections! But meantime they have been rehabilitated, for now! Lol!

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
31. We will NEVER again get accurate CORPORATE OWNED pollster polls, so just ignore them ALL.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 06:50 PM
Oct 2015

They all start with a bias - polling to get the results their CORPORATE OWNERS desire! CNN is the PERFECT example.

Last week, all online polls (real people voting in them), 3 different focus groups and one of those was CNN'S own focus group, Twitterverse had Bernie picking up tens of thousands of new followers and Bernie was most Tweeted, and most Googled was Bernie Sanders.

Every one of those debate gauges was COMPLETELY ignored by CNN, who actually DELETED THEIR OWN POLL BECAUSE BERNIE WAS 70% AHEAD IF HILLARY, and proceeded to push Hillary as the winner! Don't believe your lying eyes! You really didn't see Bernie winning in every single poll, every focus group, on Twitterverse and Google. It didn't happen - IF you paid any attention to the CORPORATE OWNED talking heads.

Ignore all Corporate Owned polls! They have an agenda and CNN fully exposed just HOW they go about setting it.

THEY ARE ALL CORRUPT. EVERY SINGLE CORPORATE OWNED NETWORK IS CORRUPT.
CNN, MSNBC, FAUX NEWS, NBC, ABC AND CBS.

Trust none of them, nor should you trust any other polls posted here. The polling system cannot work as it use to because a MAJORITY in this country do not use or have landline phone, so their polling system is OBSOLETE.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
43. Those unscientific polls you are touting...
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 07:04 PM
Oct 2015

Were hosted by a corporation that makes CNN look puny. A corporation that takes in billions and billion for the sole purpose of influencing people's decisions.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
66. there is MUCH on the line for corporate consolidation efforts
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:49 AM
Oct 2015

anyone DUMB ENOUGH not to realize this probably isnt very interested in current events.
Everyone has an agenda, but Money's agenda really has a hardline and zero interest in the public interest.
Most people realize how corrupt and dishonest our political process and government is.
Bernie Sanders stands apart and real people will and are responding.
those who need to wrap themselves in the corporate fairytales deserve the disappointment an honest election would provide.
this will be the hairiest election ever, entirely within the Democratic Party process.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
47. I know, but they PUSH their polls. I go with the people polls, but they wanted a 'scientific' poll,
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 07:08 PM
Oct 2015

so here it is. And they don't like it!

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
19. Wiki just turned NH to Hillary Green!
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 06:39 PM
Oct 2015


Key:

Green - Hillary Clinton ahead 25 states + 6 shared

Blue - Bernie Sanders ahead 1 state + 6 shared

Gray - No polling data in last six months 19 states & D.C.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016#New_Hampshire

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
37. No...
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 06:59 PM
Oct 2015

this is a color switch!!!

The poll is referenced in the comment link.

I guess in this day and age we can disagree on what is scientific.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
50. I (and Wiki) believe a lot of people need color pictures.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 07:18 PM
Oct 2015

That way they can see the Big Picture and not have to read words or mull over numbers and fine print!

Your comment, obviously, should be in the vein of "Oh shit!"

But no - on we go!

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
20. Bernie Sanders’s bad day: New Hampshire edition
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 06:39 PM
Oct 2015

Bernie Sanders’s bad day: New Hampshire edition

By Philip Bump October 21 at 3:16 PM

Early in his surge, back in the beginning of June, Bernie Sanders declared that he would win New Hampshire. At the time, he was far back in national polls and trailing in polls in the state, prompting me to be a little skeptical of the claim. Which was premature. Sanders quickly took the lead in polls in his neighboring state.

In the wake of the Democratic debate, though, that has changed. Since the Oct. 13 match-up, Clinton has surged in the Real Clear Politics polling average -- and in a new WBUR-TV poll, she has taken a four-point lead.

What was once a Clinton rout and then a Sanders firewall is now, for the second time, a close race.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251710062

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
78. Hillary's numbers have plummeted from the April polls we saw here on DU on
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 01:28 PM
Oct 2015

a daily basis.

There's simply no way to triangulate that fact.

Bernie otoh, continues to trend upwards as more people get to know him.

Those are the facts.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
21. Wtf? I am so sick if polling I could puke. I'm happy, but
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 06:42 PM
Oct 2015

these things are making my head spin. /\ the guy above me directly contradicts you and frankly If.I never see another poll result again it will be too soon.

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)
32. perhaps
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 06:51 PM
Oct 2015

The election is not as locked down as he wishes it were.
That would explain the worried proclamations of Hillary's "inevitability"

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
36. Hillary has plummeted from over 80% in April to below 50% now. Bernie has continued to rise
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 06:59 PM
Oct 2015

and even in the so-called scientfic polls he's gone from 3% to 38%!

And half the country still doesn't know who he is, YET!

Btw, what happened to that old Neocon Harper in Canada? Looks like the whole world is sick to death of these neo libs/cons.

Met with some people yesterday who are supposed to be 'non Bernie' people according to 'conventional wisdom'! Lol, the Real World is so different from the Corporate World.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
35. So he is a close challenger when down by fifteen plus.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 06:58 PM
Oct 2015

But tough to challenge when barely outside the margin of error.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
40. Absolutely, she is the Front Runner with all the advantages any candidate could possibly have.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 07:03 PM
Oct 2015

Huge 'war chest' from Corporations and Wall St, Backing of the Dem Party, 100% name recognition, the Corp Media pushing for her as the only 'viable' Dem candidate. No Bernie smear campaigns against her, he doesnt play dirty.

And yet, a nobody, unknown, no corporate funding, no Party support, no Corp media support, HER Super Pacs constantly sending out negative smears etc.

She should be where she was last April. How do you explain her diminishing numbers to someone no one heard of until just a few months ago?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
48. Love it.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 07:08 PM
Oct 2015

Almost as exciting as the poster up thread trashing corporate polling while gushing over a corporation ten times the size of CNN. This is entertaining. Thanks.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
55. It's always entertaining to watch how advocates of 'scientific polls' react when one of them
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:10 PM
Oct 2015

doesn't favor their candidate. Suddenly, they are 'old news', like yesterday, or 'debunked', by whom, another 'scientific poll'? Or topped by another 'scientific poll' etc etc.

So I guess I proved my point!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
42. That's for the people to decide. We know the Corps have decided, but the people have not yet
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 07:04 PM
Oct 2015

spoken. I'm with the people on this. Bernie is going to be the biggest upset in political hiistory.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
69. Crowds are great and give motivation to the candidate
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:50 AM
Oct 2015

but they are a bad predictor of how elections will go. In the last days of 1972 campaign McGovern had bigger crowds than Nixon and Mondale had big crowds in the last days of 1984. Both went on to win only one state plus DC.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
64. PSA: Use both candidates' last names or both their first names.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 06:48 AM
Oct 2015

It can be seen as disrespectful to refer to the woman by her first name and her male opponent by his last name.

Or so I'm given to understand.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
65. Sanders should have a really good showing in NH
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 07:05 AM
Oct 2015

I think that's the key to his campaign's viability after that. He can go on with a victory, obviously, or with a close 2nd, but stumbling there would be a problem. O'Malley, meanwhile, absolutely must get out of single digits in both Iowa and NH.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
68. It's a mixed blessing--NH has become a must win state for Bernie
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:48 AM
Oct 2015

If he wins it then fine, because he has been leading in most of the polls for some time, but if he loses it--the msm will play it up as a major loss for him.

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