2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders Proving Hard to Challenge in NH. New Poll Shows him 5 Points Ahead of Hillary!
With all the effort poured into trying to catch Bernie in NH, with the Corp Media and establishment polls, supposedly claiming she won the debate while EVERYONE ELSE disagreed?
Hillary still cannot regain her Front Runner Status in NH!
Sanders Hard To Catch in New Hampshire
The Bloomberg/St Anselm poll showed Sanders with a five-point lead in New Hampshire. That very same poll, taken in February showed Hillary Clinton with a 41-point lead. But a lot has changed since them.
Sanders first pulled ahead of Clinton in August, when a Boston Herald/FPU poll put him ahead by seven points. Since then, he has been hard to catch. At one stage, Sanders polled 22 points ahead of Clinton, according to a CBS/YouGov poll.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)riversedge
(69,727 posts)in the OP was discussed yesterday. Out of last 3 polls in NH Hillary is up over Sanders.
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SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)not just clicking on polls.
V0ltairesGh0st
(306 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)It's bunk.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Focus groups, all voted for Bernie.
Tens of thousands of individual donations during the debate, raised millions for Bernie
Most searched on Google during debate? Bernie!
Most new followers on Social Media? Bernie!
The PEOPLE V Corporations. I'll take the people any time.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)I wouldnt pin too much hope on this one poll.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)aspirant
(3,533 posts)and the others F's
aspirant
(3,533 posts)brooklynite
(93,873 posts)...the St. Anselm poll was reported yesterday:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=706629
...and has been overtaken by the NPR poll (Clinton +4) and the PPP poll (Clinton +8).
Things do move along...
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)and NPR, 38 to 34 with 4.9 MOE
so more statistical ties, like the one in the OP.
zappaman
(20,605 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)is always good for a laugh.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)taking the trouble to just click a link to support her. Why is that?
People who drop into threads to say nothing, serve a purpose.
Thanks for doing your job, the only one I've actually seen you do.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Dr. Oz believes in you and your online polls. Science is hard.
zappaman
(20,605 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)is so unpopular in online polls. I can't either, but there it is. Bernie, obviously on fire with the people.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)That thread is. . . breathtaking.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I'll be looking for their next poll and will definitely be posting it. I feel so bad that it got a few people so upset, but facts are facts.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)We're laughing at you, Sabrina.
zappaman
(20,605 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)However, I do understand how it must feel. I remember being in your position when I spent years defending the Clintons eg.
What can you do other than resort to bravado, pretend to be laughing and it's probably not fair for people to laugh at you.
But politics is tough, what can I tell you?
I'm going to check for some more People's Polls later today.
So stay tuned!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Hillary plummeted from 80% early this year, I'm going to have to dig up those daily polls, to where she is today.
Why don't you get out and work for her instead of throwing mini tantrums on unscientific threads on DU?
Maybe that's why she's losing in every single people's poll, her supporters don't seem to be able to promote her.
zappaman
(20,605 posts)Try harder, Sabrina.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)You are very upset. It's obvious to everyone who is watching you desperately trying to appear to be unconcerned. I mean I never bother going into threads I'm not 'bothered by'. Let's face it, you are terribly upset, Your very presence in all pro-Bernie threads demonstrates how upset you are.
Look, it's natural. When your candidate is looking like s/he is not as inevitable as you were led to believe, naturally you are going to be upset.
And they more you struggle to deny that, the more upset you appear to be.
Look, I'm just trying to help you.
zappaman
(20,605 posts)And I do find it funny/sad that you don't know the meaning of the word "upset".
Would you like a definition?
riversedge
(69,727 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Every day here we see complete contradictions. (He's ahead, no she's ahead)
Some one is lying.
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FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)There are posts on both mutually exclusive sides being made here every day.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)'debunked' 'unscientific' but if it favors Hillary, it's just the most credible poll in the entire history of polls.
Lol, see this thread just as antcipated.
C'mon, join the fun. I never get tired of predicting what the responses will be to any poll that shows Hillary losing. Really, we should create some kind of game out of it.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)is winning AFTER the entire country gets to know him.
I'm guessing we will be reminded of how unreliable the were during the two Bush stolen elections! But meantime they have been rehabilitated, for now! Lol!
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)They all start with a bias - polling to get the results their CORPORATE OWNERS desire! CNN is the PERFECT example.
Last week, all online polls (real people voting in them), 3 different focus groups and one of those was CNN'S own focus group, Twitterverse had Bernie picking up tens of thousands of new followers and Bernie was most Tweeted, and most Googled was Bernie Sanders.
Every one of those debate gauges was COMPLETELY ignored by CNN, who actually DELETED THEIR OWN POLL BECAUSE BERNIE WAS 70% AHEAD IF HILLARY, and proceeded to push Hillary as the winner! Don't believe your lying eyes! You really didn't see Bernie winning in every single poll, every focus group, on Twitterverse and Google. It didn't happen - IF you paid any attention to the CORPORATE OWNED talking heads.
Ignore all Corporate Owned polls! They have an agenda and CNN fully exposed just HOW they go about setting it.
THEY ARE ALL CORRUPT. EVERY SINGLE CORPORATE OWNED NETWORK IS CORRUPT.
CNN, MSNBC, FAUX NEWS, NBC, ABC AND CBS.
Trust none of them, nor should you trust any other polls posted here. The polling system cannot work as it use to because a MAJORITY in this country do not use or have landline phone, so their polling system is OBSOLETE.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Were hosted by a corporation that makes CNN look puny. A corporation that takes in billions and billion for the sole purpose of influencing people's decisions.
reddread
(6,896 posts)anyone DUMB ENOUGH not to realize this probably isnt very interested in current events.
Everyone has an agenda, but Money's agenda really has a hardline and zero interest in the public interest.
Most people realize how corrupt and dishonest our political process and government is.
Bernie Sanders stands apart and real people will and are responding.
those who need to wrap themselves in the corporate fairytales deserve the disappointment an honest election would provide.
this will be the hairiest election ever, entirely within the Democratic Party process.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)so here it is. And they don't like it!
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Key:
Green - Hillary Clinton ahead 25 states + 6 shared
Blue - Bernie Sanders ahead 1 state + 6 shared
Gray - No polling data in last six months 19 states & D.C.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016#New_Hampshire
aspirant
(3,533 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)this is a color switch!!!
The poll is referenced in the comment link.
I guess in this day and age we can disagree on what is scientific.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)then we can return the art of coloring to the children
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)That way they can see the Big Picture and not have to read words or mull over numbers and fine print!
Your comment, obviously, should be in the vein of "Oh shit!"
But no - on we go!
aspirant
(3,533 posts)riversedge
(69,727 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Bernie Sanderss bad day: New Hampshire edition
By Philip Bump October 21 at 3:16 PM
Early in his surge, back in the beginning of June, Bernie Sanders declared that he would win New Hampshire. At the time, he was far back in national polls and trailing in polls in the state, prompting me to be a little skeptical of the claim. Which was premature. Sanders quickly took the lead in polls in his neighboring state.
In the wake of the Democratic debate, though, that has changed. Since the Oct. 13 match-up, Clinton has surged in the Real Clear Politics polling average -- and in a new WBUR-TV poll, she has taken a four-point lead.
What was once a Clinton rout and then a Sanders firewall is now, for the second time, a close race.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251710062
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)a daily basis.
There's simply no way to triangulate that fact.
Bernie otoh, continues to trend upwards as more people get to know him.
Those are the facts.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)these things are making my head spin. /\ the guy above me directly contradicts you and frankly If.I never see another poll result again it will be too soon.
riversedge
(69,727 posts)#19 post.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)warrprayer
(4,734 posts)The election is not as locked down as he wishes it were.
That would explain the worried proclamations of Hillary's "inevitability"
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)and even in the so-called scientfic polls he's gone from 3% to 38%!
And half the country still doesn't know who he is, YET!
Btw, what happened to that old Neocon Harper in Canada? Looks like the whole world is sick to death of these neo libs/cons.
Met with some people yesterday who are supposed to be 'non Bernie' people according to 'conventional wisdom'! Lol, the Real World is so different from the Corporate World.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)But tough to challenge when barely outside the margin of error.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Huge 'war chest' from Corporations and Wall St, Backing of the Dem Party, 100% name recognition, the Corp Media pushing for her as the only 'viable' Dem candidate. No Bernie smear campaigns against her, he doesnt play dirty.
And yet, a nobody, unknown, no corporate funding, no Party support, no Corp media support, HER Super Pacs constantly sending out negative smears etc.
She should be where she was last April. How do you explain her diminishing numbers to someone no one heard of until just a few months ago?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Almost as exciting as the poster up thread trashing corporate polling while gushing over a corporation ten times the size of CNN. This is entertaining. Thanks.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)doesn't favor their candidate. Suddenly, they are 'old news', like yesterday, or 'debunked', by whom, another 'scientific poll'? Or topped by another 'scientific poll' etc etc.
So I guess I proved my point!
Miigwech
(3,741 posts)But truth be told, Hillary is going to win .... maybe he should be her VP?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)spoken. I'm with the people on this. Bernie is going to be the biggest upset in political hiistory.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)OhZone
(3,212 posts)OhZone
(3,212 posts)riversedge
(69,727 posts)In our beautiful beautiful Balloon.... I feel joyous today
brooklynite
(93,873 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Hillary's numbers are rising fast!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)aspirant
(3,533 posts)has Hillary?
brooklynite
(93,873 posts)aspirant
(3,533 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Oh wait.....
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)running in this election eh?
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)but they are a bad predictor of how elections will go. In the last days of 1972 campaign McGovern had bigger crowds than Nixon and Mondale had big crowds in the last days of 1984. Both went on to win only one state plus DC.
randome
(34,845 posts)It can be seen as disrespectful to refer to the woman by her first name and her male opponent by his last name.
Or so I'm given to understand.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"If you're bored then you're boring." -Harvey Danger[/center][/font][hr]
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I think that's the key to his campaign's viability after that. He can go on with a victory, obviously, or with a close 2nd, but stumbling there would be a problem. O'Malley, meanwhile, absolutely must get out of single digits in both Iowa and NH.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)If he wins it then fine, because he has been leading in most of the polls for some time, but if he loses it--the msm will play it up as a major loss for him.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Berning it up!