2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAt Debate, Clinton Falsely Claims Snowden Had Whistleblower Protections
False. False. False. That is the determination of fact checking news site Grasswire.
https://grasswire.com/story/342/Clinton-on-Snowden
Edward Snowden "broke the laws of the United States" when there were other avenues available to him, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton asserted during a debate Tuesday evening.
"He stole very important information that has, unfortunately, fallen into a lot of the wrong hands," Clinton said during CNN's debate in Las Vegas. "I don't think he should be brought home without facing the music."
Clinton said Snowden "could have gotten all of the protections of being a whistleblower" if he had gone through different avenues, a line that has been repeated by several politicians, including U.S. President Barack Obama.
But Snowden did not qualify for whistleblower protection under current federal laws because he did not work as a government employee. When Snowden stole tens of thousands of documents related to secret warrantless NSA surveillance programs, he did so as an employee of Booz Allen Hamilton, a government contractor. Government contractors are not protected under federal whistleblower laws.
An executive order signed by President Obama did allow for some members of the intelligence community to raise issues of wrongdoing, but provided no assurances against retaliation for doing so. Critics of the tired anti-Snowden line often point to the prosecution of Thomas Drake, a senior NSA official who went through the proper channels only to be criminally charged in 2010 for disclosing non-classified material.
Mother Jones also picks this story up and catches Hillary with what she said.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/10/no-hillary-edward-snowden-didnt-have-whistleblower-protections
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)anything that is politically advantageous. Her positions change with the political winds, hence camp weathervane.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)But Sanders didn't say that Snowden had special protections either, did he? Nope.
frylock
(34,825 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)uponit7771
(90,301 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)It helps to explain why he would have gone to prison had he made public the details of the NSA's illegal surveillance.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Defense_Whistleblower_Program#DoD_Whistleblower_Program_Today
it is a mirroring statute with like disclosure protocols.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)ICWPA applies to employees like Snowden, but includes no protections against retaliation, just a process for raising concerns. With respect to Presidential Policy Directive 19 (PPD-19) things get less clear, but on the most natural reading PPD-19 does not protect employees of businesses that contract with the NSA. Some legal experts have debated that point, but Snowden would certainly have had no basis for predicting that a court would decide that he was protected by PPD-19.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,279 posts)Thanks for the thread, pinebox.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Snowden had 3 ways to avail himself of Whistleblower protections:
1) Disclose the information to his immediate supervisor;
2) Disclose the information to the Inspector General
3) Disclose the information to a member of Congress.
He chose not to do any of these actions; therefore, he had protections had he availed himself of them before disclosing the information to Greenwald.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)uponit7771
(90,301 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)I don't see what protections against retaliation he would have been granted.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)seem to be pretty meaningless. Whistleblowers almost invariably loose their jobs. Sometimes wind up in jail. Snowden would be a fool to return to this country.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)though I will agree, whistleblowers DO tend to lose their jobs, and are often untrusted for other employment opportunities.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)That's three. The article at the link below is also instructive.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/05/obama-has-sentenced-whistleblowers-to-31-times-the-jail-time-of-all-prior-u-s-presidents-combined.html
The notion of "whistleblower protection" that you must avail yourself of is something of a red herring. If people can't call out businesses or governments on wrong-doing without being punished, there's something very, very wrong.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Jeffrey Sterling, John Kiriakou, or Chelsea Manning, disclosed the information to their chain of command, the Office of the Inspector General, or a member of Congress, before turning the disclosure over to a "journalist"?
That is the protocol prescribed by the law ... and there is a reason for that.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)wrong-doing on the part of your government is invariably punished.
It feels as if every week here in NM I read about some whistle-blower who has been fired from the job. It doesn't really happen quite that often, but it's amazingly common. And in the cases I'm reading about, they have disclosed to the chain of command. Then they get harassed on the job, fired, and then go to the media.
"Whistleblower protection" appears to be the greatest oxymoron ever.
jfern
(5,204 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)trying to come up with the answers they think people want to hear .If she gave the impression she spoke from her heart people wouldn't be so distrustful of her.
TheKentuckian
(25,020 posts)She is consistently surrounded by the worst hacks, those are her people and her responsibility not some half assed excuse for why she is wrong, reactionary, and needs to "evolve" so often as the winds change.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)law.