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still_one

(92,138 posts)
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:08 PM Oct 2015

So all I have been hearing from the MSM today is that Hillary should not have used the word enemy

in context with the republicans.

During the debates Hillary jokingly said that she has made "enemies" out of the republicans, and is proud of it.

Has everybody been ignoring what has happened during that last six years?

Republicans have called Obama ‘Anti-American,’ ‘Marxist,’ ‘Gangster’, and other vile names which I won't repeat.

Guess what Obama said on Univision in 2010:

"In an interview with Univision last week, President Obama said: “If Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, ‘We’re going to punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us,’ if they don’t see that kind of upsurge in voting in this election, then I think it’s going to be harder and that’s why I think it’s so important that people focus on voting on November 2.”


http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/11/01/127663/boehner-enemy-hypocrisy/


In 2012 we had Kansas House Speaker Mike O'Neal say the following:

"Kansas House Speaker Mike O’Neal publicly cited a Bible verse calling for President Obama to be killed, his wife to be widowed, and his children to be orphaned. He’s the very same guy who forwarded an email to state house Republicans referring to the First Lady as “Mrs. YoMamma.”
Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/news/2012/01/31/top-9-racist-republicans-president-obama-office/#TSdB45ht6I2rp4tt.99

The despicable names republicans have hurled at Chelsea, and calling Hillary everything from murderer to blaming her for Bill Clinton's cheating.

The ugly comments republicans have made against the poor, women, minorities, immigrants, planned parenthood, etc.

Or how about these friendly assholes:

"Florida Tea Partiers plan to set up a secret vigilante court to arrest — and possibly execute — Obama

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/these-florida-tea-partiers-plan-to-set-up-a-secret-vigilante-court-to-arrest-and-possibly-execute-obama/

If these republicans are "our friends", I would hate to see what our enemies are like

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So all I have been hearing from the MSM today is that Hillary should not have used the word enemy (Original Post) still_one Oct 2015 OP
I don't think it's that JackInGreen Oct 2015 #1
Don't worry. In a couple weeks she'll go back to her "warm purple space" jeff47 Oct 2015 #2
There was an OP earlier today ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #3
I agree wit you. I will look for that OP still_one Oct 2015 #5
Here it is Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #7
Thanks still_one Oct 2015 #10
Here you are ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #9
It was clear what she was saying, that SHE is considered an enemy according to some republicans, still_one Oct 2015 #13
FDR had a different approach. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #15
"Judge me by the enemies I have made" I have heard this so often and for so long riversedge Oct 2015 #22
It was the enemy you are most proud of making but I strongly agree with the 2nd part TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #12
Well what she really intends to do is nothing of the sort. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #16
slow on the meme ... GeorgeGist Oct 2015 #4
I caught Chris Matthews briefly babbling about how "terrible" it was. That was the trigger for me still_one Oct 2015 #6
gee, truth hurts, msm? niyad Oct 2015 #8
She did not make them enemies, they made her their enemy which they did, even prior to Bill's Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #11
You are correct still_one Oct 2015 #14
The MSM didn't talk about it after the debates... joshcryer Oct 2015 #17
but they are misrepresenting what she said, and that includes Biden too. This isn't very still_one Oct 2015 #18
I think he's just saying the obvious, Americans "like" bi-partisanship. joshcryer Oct 2015 #19
Any Democratic candidate is going to say they will try to work with republicans. still_one Oct 2015 #20
I'm just saying, it came up because of Biden. joshcryer Oct 2015 #21
and I agree with you still_one Oct 2015 #23

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
1. I don't think it's that
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:13 PM
Oct 2015

It's that, matching morons though they are oft times, they're our fellow citizens. We need the people, if not their corrupt representation, to be with us or at least open to dialogue. The Republican voter won't hear 'Republicans' and think 'the d-bags in charge' they'll think "US".

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
3. There was an OP earlier today ...
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:18 PM
Oct 2015

in back-door relation to this topic ... in response to A.C.'s question, she didn't say is enemies with republicans; rather, she said, they have made her their enemy.

That said, I would have had zero problem if she really had said, "Republicans are an enemy ... my enemy ... that I plan to ground into political nothingness, whether I win the Democratic primary and G/E election or not." (Other than, for the sake a comity.)

still_one

(92,138 posts)
13. It was clear what she was saying, that SHE is considered an enemy according to some republicans,
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:36 PM
Oct 2015

What some are doing here is really a gross distortion.

Interestingly enough, some of the same folks who are feigning outrage were the same ones calling the bush administration and some of the republicans in congress enemies.

Thanks for the link

Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
15. FDR had a different approach.
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:40 PM
Oct 2015


When questions like these are under consideration, we are not Democrats, we are not Republicans; we are a people united in a common patriotism. This is the spirit of my entire campaign. If the spirit and the method that I am applying to public questions are in line with that of progressive citizens of parties other than my own, I invite them to join me now, as I have invited them many times before. In the face of present national emergencies we must distinguish between parties and their leaders.

(snip)

To the people of this country I have but one answer on this subject. Judge me by the enemies I have made. Judge me by the selfish purposes of these utility leaders who have talked of radicalism while they were selling watered stock to the people and using our schools to deceive the coming generation.

http://newdeal.feri.org/speeches/1932a.htm

riversedge

(70,187 posts)
22. "Judge me by the enemies I have made" I have heard this so often and for so long
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 02:41 AM
Oct 2015

and never knew where it came from. I do think it is appropriate to say this at times.

Thank you so much for the post.....

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
12. It was the enemy you are most proud of making but I strongly agree with the 2nd part
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:35 PM
Oct 2015

of your statement.

The telltale for loose lipped, arrogant, and foolish was adding in the Iranians. Just irresponsible.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
11. She did not make them enemies, they made her their enemy which they did, even prior to Bill's
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:32 PM
Oct 2015

first election. Here's Pat Buchanan, from his keynote speech at RNC 1992, George HW Bush's second nominating convention:
"Elect me, and you get "two for the price of one," Mr. Clinton says of his lawyer-spouse. And what -- And what does Hillary believe? Well, Hillary believes that 12-year-olds should have the right to sue their parents. And Hillary has compared marriage and the family, as institutions, to slavery and life on an Indian reservation. Well, speak for yourself, Hillary.

Friends -- Friends, this -- This, my friends -- This is radical feminism. The agenda that Clinton & Clinton would impose on America: abortion on demand, a litmus test for the Supreme Court, homosexual rights, discrimination against religious schools, women in combat units. That's change, all right. But that's not the kind of change America needs. It's not the kind of change America wants. And it's not the kind of change we can abide in a nation we still call "God's country."

Very antagonistic, very aggressive, Bill has not even won the election and they are calling out Hillary in extremely hostile terms. They set a tone that still drones on and on.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
17. The MSM didn't talk about it after the debates...
Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:27 PM
Oct 2015

...because it was one of the loudest applause lines of the night. (And frankly the only thing she said that I actually thought was new or interesting.)

They're only talking about it now because Biden brought it up.

And for some stupid ass reason Americans hate partisanship despite that the fucking idiotic Republicans have held congress and the country hostage for almost a decade now...

still_one

(92,138 posts)
18. but they are misrepresenting what she said, and that includes Biden too. This isn't very
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 02:13 AM
Oct 2015

complimentary toward Biden. If he was running for President I would say fine, but he made a decision NOT to run. Instead he decides to give a backhanded parting shot at one of the Democratic candidates for what? To hurt that candidates chances? To hurt the Democratic party?

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
19. I think he's just saying the obvious, Americans "like" bi-partisanship.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 02:18 AM
Oct 2015

Obama ran on that platform and it worked for him. That's why I like Sanders because he has shown he doesn't play, and I was sort of disappointed that he joined Biden in those remarks.

Yes, of course you have to work across the isle and all that. But look at the legislation that this congress puts out and look at how the Republicans are the ones drafting it and they don't allow a single Democrat a single say in what happens in the House. The Senate is then left working on all these compromises and the President hasn't had a single budget passed in his entire time in office (it's always been continuing resolutions, that is, he's continued Bush's budgets, with cuts because of the sequester).

If only we had a candidate that said that bi-partisanship doesn't work in this current toxic environment.

(And yes I am fully aware that Clinton said that they consider her their enemy, I'm just saying.)

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
21. I'm just saying, it came up because of Biden.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 02:38 AM
Oct 2015

I disagree with Biden and think he was throwing some snark out there for whatever reason but the media lapped it up. I don't think it changes anything in any way whatsoever.

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