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mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 07:03 AM Oct 2015

Ok so this primary is looking more and more

Like a parody of a primary.

Biden is out.

Jim Webb will run as an indepandant.

So now there is only FOUR countenders !

And the only serious one is Bernie! Still he is only polling 25% when the Corporate Dems Chosen One tops with rates that are close to any autocratic regime' s election candidates.

HRC is surely very very happy along with DWS and all TWers.

Bravo Hillary. Clintonworld primary locking worked perfectly this time.

A great moment for Hillary , yes.
But a very bad one for truly democratic election process.

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Ok so this primary is looking more and more (Original Post) mylye2222 Oct 2015 OP
Tell me, was 2000 a Parody of a Primary? brooklynite Oct 2015 #1
Well a good primary is were not only one mylye2222 Oct 2015 #2
Sanders will do far better than Bradley. joshcryer Oct 2015 #3
2000 -- when the left ruined us by voting Nader which gave us Bush JTShroyer Oct 2015 #22
That trope is so full of shit hootinholler Oct 2015 #30
I wonder more if Gore would have been able to prevent 9/11 mythology Oct 2015 #32
IDK, I think O'Malley is very serious Recursion Oct 2015 #4
Sorry - it is the very embodiment of the "Democratic Election Process" Cosmocat Oct 2015 #5
The inaccurate hyperbole is just mind numbing mythology Oct 2015 #6
Thanks for this post JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #8
DU is awash with Sour Grape Wine. nt sufrommich Oct 2015 #7
I enjoy these threads...for their entertainment value.../nt DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #13
The question is whether you are serious or not. Renew Deal Oct 2015 #9
You noticed that too? JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #10
I don't think they can be. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #12
It's looking like a great primary. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #11
And the idea that PTB want Hillary is a real parody! MoonRiver Oct 2015 #14
Jeb can't get off the ground... NCTraveler Oct 2015 #16
It's really fun to watch him sink! MoonRiver Oct 2015 #17
I'm glad you are very clear their... NCTraveler Oct 2015 #20
Sorry I was not clear. MoonRiver Oct 2015 #23
+1 n/t FSogol Oct 2015 #15
She's polling that well because she's that well Codeine Oct 2015 #18
+ 1 DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #21
Agree. eom MoonRiver Oct 2015 #24
Well said... SidDithers Oct 2015 #26
So when elections do not go the way you want it's bad for democracy? MohRokTah Oct 2015 #19
I think some of them don't remember the Clintons in action during the 1990s JTShroyer Oct 2015 #28
Keep trying... SidDithers Oct 2015 #25
Or Hillary is just a better candidate. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #27
Exactly. JTShroyer Oct 2015 #29
And the only serious one is Bernie! Still he is only polling 25%... workinclasszero Oct 2015 #31

brooklynite

(94,452 posts)
1. Tell me, was 2000 a Parody of a Primary?
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 07:15 AM
Oct 2015

Realistically, there was Gore and Bradley and nobody else.

I thought Sanders was offering a dramatic contract to Clinton. Or is your definition of "good" Primary one where you candidate wins?

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
2. Well a good primary is were not only one
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 07:25 AM
Oct 2015

candidate gets all powerstructure' s unconditional support, the kind of blinded support where nothing both on the issues and integrity is asked and where that candidate can get all the free passes she/he wished.

Didnt knew about 2000. Thanks for the information Brooklinite. Now I understand even more why Gore, in 2000 had at least the Party behind him after Florida mass theaf, when four years after, Kerry didnt have the same chance and consideration. 2004 was a good primary. And 2008 was certainly better in terms of candidates variety of choices than this one. Here it seems that unfortunely for them, O' Malley and Chafee are here as figuration cast to give an illusion of choice. The same fate was suerly expected for Bernie by Dem Powerstructure, but he is now considered the most serious countender now, and this primary' s only one surprise surely pisses of DNC.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
3. Sanders will do far better than Bradley.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 07:37 AM
Oct 2015

Ask anyone about Bradley and it's "Bradley who?"

They had 6 debates then. No one cares or remembers.

JTShroyer

(246 posts)
22. 2000 -- when the left ruined us by voting Nader which gave us Bush
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:50 AM
Oct 2015

This isn't the first time they've turned their backs on the Clintons and made it harder to achieve progress.

Just think if Gore had been in there after 9/11.

Just think how much further we would be on global warming right now.

And all because they refused to vote for Bill Clinton's VP.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
30. That trope is so full of shit
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:08 AM
Oct 2015

Nader did not cost Gore the election.

Your credibility has taken yet another hit.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
32. I wonder more if Gore would have been able to prevent 9/11
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:57 AM
Oct 2015

With the daily briefing warning of an attack.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
4. IDK, I think O'Malley is very serious
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 07:47 AM
Oct 2015

He's a longshot, but he's got very substantive positions on all of the issues I care about. Even the places I disagree with him I think he argues for very persuasively.

The problem is he absolutely has to make this a three-person race rather than a two-person race, so these early primaries and caucuses are going to be make or break for him.

Cosmocat

(14,560 posts)
5. Sorry - it is the very embodiment of the "Democratic Election Process"
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:02 AM
Oct 2015

This has been at the core of my teeth nashing with Bernie supporters here all along.

What we see is NOT the root, it is the symptom.

People are just fucking stupid. REALLY stupid. It is why republicans have almost literally been wrong on EVERYTHING in my entire life and today have control of congress and control of more state governments than not.

Is Bernie spot on with MOST issues.

Yes.

But, being spot on with issues means a lot more to you and me and than it does with about 75% of the rest of the country.

This is why Bernie has always had a VERY long shot at winning the nomination.

The "democratic election process" is not about issues.

Sorry.

It is about personality and it is about word smithing to tell people what they want to hear/not say what they don't want to hear.

Part of Bernie's energy is being the foil to Hillary, he probably would not have have the same energy minus that dynamic.

But, end of the day, the overwhelming force of personality of Hillary, someone who has been running for POTUS for a quarter century, someone who holds the mantle of likely being the first women POTUS in this country trumps for the electorate being more right on the issues.

You just are denying reality if you don't see that ...

It isn't Hillaries fault, it isn't even the corporations or really rich people who buy our politics.

It is OUR fault, for not making sober and reasoned choices in the ballot box.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
6. The inaccurate hyperbole is just mind numbing
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:04 AM
Oct 2015

Saddam 'wins 100% of vote'

There were 11,445,638 eligible voters - and every one of them voted for the president, according to Izzat Ibrahim, Vice-Chairman of Iraq's Revolutionary Command Council.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2331951.stm

99.97% of North Koreans turn out for local elections

With 100% of participants approving the candidates, the word 'landslide' hardly seems sufficient.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/asia/north-korea-election-result/

Syria's Assad wins another term

The interior ministry said he won the backing of more than 97% of Syria's 12 million voters in Sunday's referendum.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6700021.stm

Please have at least some tiny sense of what you are talking about when you say that Clinton is getting "rates that are close to any autocratic regime' s election candidates." Otherwise you just look really foolish to those of us who understand what an election in an autocratic regime actually looks like. Clinton is currently getting about 50% of the vote in the Democratic primary. So she's getting roughly speaking 50% of a much smaller subset of voters, where autocratic regimes get 100% of all voters.

I get that you aren't happy with Clinton currently leading the primary. But that doesn't mean you should just make things up because you aren't getting your way.

Renew Deal

(81,851 posts)
9. The question is whether you are serious or not.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:14 AM
Oct 2015

Your comment about autocracy sure makes it look doubtful.

You don't think O'Malley is serious? He's got the credentials and has worked harder than anyone. How is he not serious?

Aside from that, some people have to accept that Democrats like Hillary and more Democrats like Hillary than anyone else running.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
12. I don't think they can be.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:23 AM
Oct 2015

Followed up with more in another reply. I'm left scratching my head with this one. I think the parody on display isn't with respect to the primary. This here is a parody of purity. Has to be more onion like than real thoughts. If that's the case, it actually somewhat well done.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
11. It's looking like a great primary.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:20 AM
Oct 2015

You want to see a parody of a primary check out what the republicans are up to. We are the adults in the room. A parody of a primary? Clinton, O'Malley, Sanders, Chafee. I'm a proud democrat today because of what we are promoting to the public. What a great list of people.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
14. And the idea that PTB want Hillary is a real parody!
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:35 AM
Oct 2015

PTB want Jeb!, and are doing everything in their power, including promoting the Benghazi fiasco, to put him in the White House.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
16. Jeb can't get off the ground...
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:38 AM
Oct 2015

And the media is showing him as he is. A joke. What are his numbers? Lol

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
20. I'm glad you are very clear their...
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:47 AM
Oct 2015

Influence isn't as strong as you made it appear in your initial reply. That was a real head scratcher as reality tells a completely different story. The money is backing Jeb. The people are not. No greater display that the will of the people wins out in matters like this.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
23. Sorry I was not clear.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:51 AM
Oct 2015

Yes, I meant the money is backing Jeb. The people are expressing their wishes however, and PTB are not happy, teehee. Apparently citizen Repubs prefer Trump and Carson, Dems are strongly leaning toward Hillary, but Bernie is still a player. Power to the PEOPLE!

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
18. She's polling that well because she's that well
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:43 AM
Oct 2015

thought of by Democrats. I know this place can be an echo chamber, but I assure you that out in the real world most Democratic Party members really do like and respect her.

I hate the idea that if voters support someone other than your favorite then they must be brainwashed by the media or DNC or something. That's facile, childish thinking.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
21. + 1
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:49 AM
Oct 2015
I hate the idea that if voters support someone other than your favorite then they must be brainwashed by the media or DNC or something. That's facile, childish thinking.



JTShroyer

(246 posts)
28. I think some of them don't remember the Clintons in action during the 1990s
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 08:58 AM
Oct 2015

People honestly do want them back in the White House. People remember the 1990s fondly for a reason.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
31. And the only serious one is Bernie! Still he is only polling 25%...
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:23 AM
Oct 2015

hahahahahahahaha!

You should be a stand up comic, seriously that's funny as hell! Parody indeed!

And why exactly is this bad for the democratic election process?

People can freely vote for Bernie if they like. In polls and soon the actual primary.

It would appear that many more people would rather vote for Hillary.

I guess if Bernie had a good ground operation going on and his supporters had started working for him years ago he might be in a better position than he is today.

I don't see anything anti-democratic in that just poor preparation and sour grapes.

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