2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOk so this primary is looking more and more
Like a parody of a primary.
Biden is out.
Jim Webb will run as an indepandant.
So now there is only FOUR countenders !
And the only serious one is Bernie! Still he is only polling 25% when the Corporate Dems Chosen One tops with rates that are close to any autocratic regime' s election candidates.
HRC is surely very very happy along with DWS and all TWers.
Bravo Hillary. Clintonworld primary locking worked perfectly this time.
A great moment for Hillary , yes.
But a very bad one for truly democratic election process.
brooklynite
(94,452 posts)Realistically, there was Gore and Bradley and nobody else.
I thought Sanders was offering a dramatic contract to Clinton. Or is your definition of "good" Primary one where you candidate wins?
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)candidate gets all powerstructure' s unconditional support, the kind of blinded support where nothing both on the issues and integrity is asked and where that candidate can get all the free passes she/he wished.
Didnt knew about 2000. Thanks for the information Brooklinite. Now I understand even more why Gore, in 2000 had at least the Party behind him after Florida mass theaf, when four years after, Kerry didnt have the same chance and consideration. 2004 was a good primary. And 2008 was certainly better in terms of candidates variety of choices than this one. Here it seems that unfortunely for them, O' Malley and Chafee are here as figuration cast to give an illusion of choice. The same fate was suerly expected for Bernie by Dem Powerstructure, but he is now considered the most serious countender now, and this primary' s only one surprise surely pisses of DNC.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Ask anyone about Bradley and it's "Bradley who?"
They had 6 debates then. No one cares or remembers.
JTShroyer
(246 posts)This isn't the first time they've turned their backs on the Clintons and made it harder to achieve progress.
Just think if Gore had been in there after 9/11.
Just think how much further we would be on global warming right now.
And all because they refused to vote for Bill Clinton's VP.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Nader did not cost Gore the election.
Your credibility has taken yet another hit.
mythology
(9,527 posts)With the daily briefing warning of an attack.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)He's a longshot, but he's got very substantive positions on all of the issues I care about. Even the places I disagree with him I think he argues for very persuasively.
The problem is he absolutely has to make this a three-person race rather than a two-person race, so these early primaries and caucuses are going to be make or break for him.
Cosmocat
(14,560 posts)This has been at the core of my teeth nashing with Bernie supporters here all along.
What we see is NOT the root, it is the symptom.
People are just fucking stupid. REALLY stupid. It is why republicans have almost literally been wrong on EVERYTHING in my entire life and today have control of congress and control of more state governments than not.
Is Bernie spot on with MOST issues.
Yes.
But, being spot on with issues means a lot more to you and me and than it does with about 75% of the rest of the country.
This is why Bernie has always had a VERY long shot at winning the nomination.
The "democratic election process" is not about issues.
Sorry.
It is about personality and it is about word smithing to tell people what they want to hear/not say what they don't want to hear.
Part of Bernie's energy is being the foil to Hillary, he probably would not have have the same energy minus that dynamic.
But, end of the day, the overwhelming force of personality of Hillary, someone who has been running for POTUS for a quarter century, someone who holds the mantle of likely being the first women POTUS in this country trumps for the electorate being more right on the issues.
You just are denying reality if you don't see that ...
It isn't Hillaries fault, it isn't even the corporations or really rich people who buy our politics.
It is OUR fault, for not making sober and reasoned choices in the ballot box.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Saddam 'wins 100% of vote'
There were 11,445,638 eligible voters - and every one of them voted for the president, according to Izzat Ibrahim, Vice-Chairman of Iraq's Revolutionary Command Council.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2331951.stm
99.97% of North Koreans turn out for local elections
With 100% of participants approving the candidates, the word 'landslide' hardly seems sufficient.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/asia/north-korea-election-result/
Syria's Assad wins another term
The interior ministry said he won the backing of more than 97% of Syria's 12 million voters in Sunday's referendum.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6700021.stm
Please have at least some tiny sense of what you are talking about when you say that Clinton is getting "rates that are close to any autocratic regime' s election candidates." Otherwise you just look really foolish to those of us who understand what an election in an autocratic regime actually looks like. Clinton is currently getting about 50% of the vote in the Democratic primary. So she's getting roughly speaking 50% of a much smaller subset of voters, where autocratic regimes get 100% of all voters.
I get that you aren't happy with Clinton currently leading the primary. But that doesn't mean you should just make things up because you aren't getting your way.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)The hyperbole and melodramatic flavor to DU is tiresome.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Renew Deal
(81,851 posts)Your comment about autocracy sure makes it look doubtful.
You don't think O'Malley is serious? He's got the credentials and has worked harder than anyone. How is he not serious?
Aside from that, some people have to accept that Democrats like Hillary and more Democrats like Hillary than anyone else running.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)O'Malley isn't 'serious'. Hmmm . . .
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Followed up with more in another reply. I'm left scratching my head with this one. I think the parody on display isn't with respect to the primary. This here is a parody of purity. Has to be more onion like than real thoughts. If that's the case, it actually somewhat well done.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You want to see a parody of a primary check out what the republicans are up to. We are the adults in the room. A parody of a primary? Clinton, O'Malley, Sanders, Chafee. I'm a proud democrat today because of what we are promoting to the public. What a great list of people.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)PTB want Jeb!, and are doing everything in their power, including promoting the Benghazi fiasco, to put him in the White House.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)And the media is showing him as he is. A joke. What are his numbers? Lol
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)But that wasn't the plan of PTB, imho.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Influence isn't as strong as you made it appear in your initial reply. That was a real head scratcher as reality tells a completely different story. The money is backing Jeb. The people are not. No greater display that the will of the people wins out in matters like this.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Yes, I meant the money is backing Jeb. The people are expressing their wishes however, and PTB are not happy, teehee. Apparently citizen Repubs prefer Trump and Carson, Dems are strongly leaning toward Hillary, but Bernie is still a player. Power to the PEOPLE!
FSogol
(45,464 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)thought of by Democrats. I know this place can be an echo chamber, but I assure you that out in the real world most Democratic Party members really do like and respect her.
I hate the idea that if voters support someone other than your favorite then they must be brainwashed by the media or DNC or something. That's facile, childish thinking.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)That's just silly.
JTShroyer
(246 posts)People honestly do want them back in the White House. People remember the 1990s fondly for a reason.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)JTShroyer
(246 posts)Can't ever give her credit where credit is due.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)hahahahahahahaha!
You should be a stand up comic, seriously that's funny as hell! Parody indeed!
And why exactly is this bad for the democratic election process?
People can freely vote for Bernie if they like. In polls and soon the actual primary.
It would appear that many more people would rather vote for Hillary.
I guess if Bernie had a good ground operation going on and his supporters had started working for him years ago he might be in a better position than he is today.
I don't see anything anti-democratic in that just poor preparation and sour grapes.