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Hillary Clinton on Social Security Expansion: Words are Wind. A Cold Wind.
By Lambert Strether of Corrente.
Social Security, the social insurance program first implemented by Bismarck in 1889, was described by then-Emperor Wilhelm I as follows: Those who are disabled from work by age and invalid[ism] have a well-grounded claim to care from the state. Social Security was implemented in the United States by FDR in 1935, and we generally formulate Wilhelms claim to care as the wish that elders should be enabled to retire in dignity (in the vulgate, without having to eat cat food). Of course, Social Security policy does not only affect all-too-soon-to-be old codgers like myself, but all citizens whove entered the labor force and paid the payroll tax, and all citizens who are making life decisions today, based on what their for future retirement will be. So Social Security policy has a huge impact, society-wide. (We should also note that a Republican budgetary Easter egg means that Social Security benefits will probably become a major issue in Congress in late 2016.)
Heres the baseline for the left on Social Security. From The Nation:
With boomers retiring without pensions or adequate savings, progressives have proposed expanding Social Security benefits . Obama, by contrast, has proposed cutting Social Security benefits as part of a grand bargain with the Republicans on deficit reduction, a position greatly appreciated on Wall Street. Clinton, like all Democratic candidates, will promise to protect Social Security, but will she support expanding it?
Lets start with the caveat that with Hillary Clinton, as with Bill Clinton, youve always got to parse the words. Heres a dryly hilarious passage from the Wall Street Journal:
Corrections & Amplifications:
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said that when it comes to fixing Social Security, putting everything on the table is not an answer. Raising the retirement age is not an answer. Cutting benefits is not an answer. This article incorrectly summarizes her as saying cutting benefits or raising the eligibility age were off the table.
(You have to read that passage a few times to see that although cutting benefits and raising the retirement age each by themselves might not be an answer, taken together they might be the answer. See how easy?) Anyhow, one shouldnt allow the evident glee the Journals writer took in composing that correction to detract from the fact that you always have to parse the words of Clintons very, very carefully. They are, after all, like Obama, lawyers trained at top schools. ................(more)
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/10/hillary-clinton-on-social-security-expansion-words-are-wind-a-cold-wind.html
LonePirate
(13,409 posts)Ask her if she supports or opposes expanding Social Security. Trying to read things into what she has and has not said simply because she has never said the word "expand" is an exceptionally speculative possibly even dishonest way to characterize her unstated stance on the issue.
I am 100% supportive of Bernie and I will vote for him in the primary. Still, undue assaults on Hillary such as this one are shameful.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)over to them.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Praised his ideas in the 2012 election. Who is being voted on as next House Speaker?
Autumn
(44,986 posts)pronounce. That she can't say it or won't say is plenty of reason to honestly speculate on her obscure stance on this issue. I have found if politicians won't take a clear stand on something there is usualy a reason why and that reason is not because they want to surprise us with a delightful gift but because they know the wrong answer is going to piss off the ones they need to vote for them or it's going to piss off the ones who finance their job security.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Not entirely true - she has said that she will insist on the profiteers being part of healthcare - but basically she prevaricates on every question. That's what's shameful.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)same vein.
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)talking points. Obscure and misleading language is the hallmark of the so called left libertarian third way baloney crowd.
antigop
(12,778 posts)Discussion here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251678744
Uncle Joe
(58,300 posts)Thanks for the thread, marmar.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Ryan praises Bill Clinton on day of his DNC speech
Associated Press
By Thomas Beaumont, Associated Press September 5, 2012 2:03 PM
ADEL, Iowa (AP) -- Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan heaped praise on Bill Clinton on Wednesday and compared President Barack Obama unfavorably to him, just hours before the former president was to address the Democratic National Convention.
Campaigning in Iowa, Ryan cited Clinton as the inspiration for some changes the GOP ticket led by Mitt Romney is proposing. Ryan also credited Clinton for signing legislation aimed at reducing federal budget deficits, while painting Obama as a failure.
"Under President Clinton we got welfare reform," Ryan told an audience outside a small-town courthouse west of Des Moines. "President Obama is rolling back welfare reform. President Clinton worked with Republicans in Congress to have a budget agreement to cut spending. President Obama, a gusher of new spending."
Ryan, a seven-term House member from Wisconsin, said a Clinton administration commission to study the future of Medicare inspired the GOP proposal to offer seniors a choice of traditional Medicare or a fixed government payment that could be used to buy private coverage.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ryan-praises-bill-clinton-day-180338621.html
LiberalArkie
(15,703 posts)If HRC is elected and the country is pushing for Social Security expansion, and Medicare expansion. You can make a bet that they will push for it also. It will be up to the public to start asking for it.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)Nominating Hillary pushes out the possibility for meaningful change for at least four more years.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)one word answer.. yes or no
its not complicated
heads up
(55 posts)There should be many more of these, decoding what her actual stance is. It would have been nice to know that Obama's 'public plan' was not actually an 'option', for imo. I can't believe people support a politician who is ACTIVELY concealing her ACTUAL policies as Hillary is constantly, and so obviously doing. What is the point of supporting someone like that?