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marmar

(77,056 posts)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:12 AM Oct 2015

Hillary Clinton on Social Security Expansion: Words are Wind. A Cold Wind.


Hillary Clinton on Social Security Expansion: Words are Wind. A Cold Wind.
By Lambert Strether of Corrente.


Social Security, the social insurance program first implemented by Bismarck in 1889, was described by then-Emperor Wilhelm I as follows: “Those who are disabled from work by age and invalid[ism] have a well-grounded claim to care from the state.” Social Security was implemented in the United States by FDR in 1935, and we generally formulate Wilhelm’s “claim to care” as the wish that elders should be enabled to retire in dignity (in the vulgate, without having to eat cat food). Of course, Social Security policy does not only affect all-too-soon-to-be old codgers like myself, but all citizens who’ve entered the labor force and paid the payroll tax, and all citizens who are making life decisions today, based on what their for future retirement will be. So Social Security policy has a huge impact, society-wide. (We should also note that a Republican budgetary Easter egg means that Social Security benefits will probably become a major issue in Congress in late 2016.)

Here’s the baseline for the left on Social Security. From The Nation:

With boomers retiring without pensions or adequate savings, progressives have proposed expanding Social Security benefits …. Obama, by contrast, has proposed cutting Social Security benefits as part of a “grand bargain” with the Republicans on deficit reduction, a position greatly appreciated on Wall Street. Clinton, like all Democratic candidates, will promise to protect Social Security, but will she support expanding it?


Let’s start with the caveat that with Hillary Clinton, as with Bill Clinton, you’ve always got to parse the words. Here’s a dryly hilarious passage from the Wall Street Journal:

Corrections & Amplifications:

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said that when it comes to fixing Social Security, “putting everything on the table is not an answer. Raising the retirement age is not an answer. Cutting benefits is not an answer.” This article incorrectly summarizes her as saying cutting benefits or raising the eligibility age were “off the table.”


(You have to read that passage a few times to see that although cutting benefits and raising the retirement age each by themselves might not be “an” answer, taken together they might be “the” answer. See how easy?) Anyhow, one shouldn’t allow the evident glee the Journal’s writer took in composing that correction to detract from the fact that you always have to parse the words of Clintons very, very carefully. They are, after all, like Obama, lawyers trained at top schools. ................(more)

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/10/hillary-clinton-on-social-security-expansion-words-are-wind-a-cold-wind.html





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Hillary Clinton on Social Security Expansion: Words are Wind. A Cold Wind. (Original Post) marmar Oct 2015 OP
That article reads as a hit piece based largely on supposition. Someone simply needs to ask her. LonePirate Oct 2015 #1
She works for Wall Street, and they do not want it expanded, they want it to be cut as ND handed JRLeft Oct 2015 #2
Warning people of Clintspeak is not shameful, it is a public service. nt FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #7
She's big pals with Pete Peterson. What does that tell you? Scuba Oct 2015 #9
Bill Clinton is chummy with Paul Ryan... KoKo Oct 2015 #10
She has been asked. It's not that difficult to say the word expand, in fact it's an easy word to Autumn Oct 2015 #11
She WON'T ANSWER ANY TOUGH QUESTIONS Doctor_J Oct 2015 #12
+1 ... "But he never called it terrorism" ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #15
Hillary has become an expert in the use of obscure developed to mislead Todays_Illusion Oct 2015 #3
thanks, marmar. Some of us picked up on what she said at the debate. antigop Oct 2015 #4
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #5
Clintspeak nt FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #6
She cannot be trusted not to screw with Social Security. CharlotteVale Oct 2015 #8
Paul Ryan Praises Bill Clinton on Day of DNC Speech over SS Choices & Welfare Reform KoKo Oct 2015 #13
The Clintons have always been able to see which way the wind is blowing. LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #14
You must be kidding. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #17
lol heads up Oct 2015 #21
If you don't favor lifting the cap you favor cuts and or increasing the retirement age. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #16
Hillary Clinton's loyalties lie with the rich and powerful. Broward Oct 2015 #18
this needs to be asked and answered restorefreedom Oct 2015 #19
I find this article really useful heads up Oct 2015 #20

LonePirate

(13,409 posts)
1. That article reads as a hit piece based largely on supposition. Someone simply needs to ask her.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:34 AM
Oct 2015

Ask her if she supports or opposes expanding Social Security. Trying to read things into what she has and has not said simply because she has never said the word "expand" is an exceptionally speculative possibly even dishonest way to characterize her unstated stance on the issue.

I am 100% supportive of Bernie and I will vote for him in the primary. Still, undue assaults on Hillary such as this one are shameful.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
2. She works for Wall Street, and they do not want it expanded, they want it to be cut as ND handed
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:40 AM
Oct 2015

over to them.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
10. Bill Clinton is chummy with Paul Ryan...
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:05 AM
Oct 2015

Praised his ideas in the 2012 election. Who is being voted on as next House Speaker?

Autumn

(44,986 posts)
11. She has been asked. It's not that difficult to say the word expand, in fact it's an easy word to
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:13 AM
Oct 2015

pronounce. That she can't say it or won't say is plenty of reason to honestly speculate on her obscure stance on this issue. I have found if politicians won't take a clear stand on something there is usualy a reason why and that reason is not because they want to surprise us with a delightful gift but because they know the wrong answer is going to piss off the ones they need to vote for them or it's going to piss off the ones who finance their job security.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
12. She WON'T ANSWER ANY TOUGH QUESTIONS
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:27 AM
Oct 2015

Not entirely true - she has said that she will insist on the profiteers being part of healthcare - but basically she prevaricates on every question. That's what's shameful.

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
3. Hillary has become an expert in the use of obscure developed to mislead
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 09:45 AM
Oct 2015

talking points. Obscure and misleading language is the hallmark of the so called left libertarian third way baloney crowd.


KoKo

(84,711 posts)
13. Paul Ryan Praises Bill Clinton on Day of DNC Speech over SS Choices & Welfare Reform
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:29 AM
Oct 2015

Ryan praises Bill Clinton on day of his DNC speech

Associated Press
By Thomas Beaumont, Associated Press September 5, 2012 2:03 PM

ADEL, Iowa (AP) -- Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan heaped praise on Bill Clinton on Wednesday and compared President Barack Obama unfavorably to him, just hours before the former president was to address the Democratic National Convention.

Campaigning in Iowa, Ryan cited Clinton as the inspiration for some changes the GOP ticket led by Mitt Romney is proposing. Ryan also credited Clinton for signing legislation aimed at reducing federal budget deficits, while painting Obama as a failure.

"Under President Clinton we got welfare reform," Ryan told an audience outside a small-town courthouse west of Des Moines. "President Obama is rolling back welfare reform. President Clinton worked with Republicans in Congress to have a budget agreement to cut spending. President Obama, a gusher of new spending."

Ryan, a seven-term House member from Wisconsin, said a Clinton administration commission to study the future of Medicare inspired the GOP proposal to offer seniors a choice of traditional Medicare or a fixed government payment that could be used to buy private coverage.

"It's an idea that came out of the Clinton commission to save Medicare," Ryan said.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ryan-praises-bill-clinton-day-180338621.html

LiberalArkie

(15,703 posts)
14. The Clintons have always been able to see which way the wind is blowing.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 12:04 PM
Oct 2015

If HRC is elected and the country is pushing for Social Security expansion, and Medicare expansion. You can make a bet that they will push for it also. It will be up to the public to start asking for it.

Broward

(1,976 posts)
18. Hillary Clinton's loyalties lie with the rich and powerful.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:26 AM
Oct 2015

Nominating Hillary pushes out the possibility for meaningful change for at least four more years.

 

heads up

(55 posts)
20. I find this article really useful
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:37 AM
Oct 2015

There should be many more of these, decoding what her actual stance is. It would have been nice to know that Obama's 'public plan' was not actually an 'option', for imo. I can't believe people support a politician who is ACTIVELY concealing her ACTUAL policies as Hillary is constantly, and so obviously doing. What is the point of supporting someone like that?

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