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HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 03:42 PM Oct 2015

USA Today almost proclaims Clinton the nominee

Sorry I couldn't find a link to this. I have the paper copy in front of me, but the USA Today website doesn't list this article. The author is Heidi M. Pryzbyia.

Anyway, the headline reads, "Now That Biden's Bowed Out, Clinton Strengthens Grip." The lead paragraph reads, "It may be remembered as the moment when Hillary Clinton's grip on the Democratic nomination became firm." The reason? Many Democratic voters prefer Biden to Clinton, but are "...unlikely to support Sen. Bernie Sanders, the self-described socialist..."

USA Today, of course, is pretty much the Oracle at Delphi when it comes to conventional wisdom. Basically, the entire article proposes that all those who favored Biden are now securely in the Clinton camp, and it quotes a couple sources, including Reince Priebus, to confirm the conventional wisdom. There is no speculation whatever that some Biden supporters might shift to O'Malley or Sanders, or any explanation as to why or why not.

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USA Today almost proclaims Clinton the nominee (Original Post) HassleCat Oct 2015 OP
Some nonsense article posted yesterday said that with Biden out, Dems are now "united" arcane1 Oct 2015 #1
That author has obviously never been to this board. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #4
I see nothing wrong with this. murielm99 Oct 2015 #2
Still early days, muriel. artislife Oct 2015 #3
June was early days this is October upaloopa Oct 2015 #8
That is because you rely on polls. artislife Oct 2015 #10
Some people are not capable of accepting reality. upaloopa Oct 2015 #14
Great game yesterday. nt artislife Oct 2015 #5
I don't have to "get used to it." Fawke Em Oct 2015 #6
How many times are you going to tell us that? upaloopa Oct 2015 #9
Probably, yes HassleCat Oct 2015 #11
Poll numbers from 10-22-07 Goblinmonger Oct 2015 #13
They won't be the last to do so. MineralMan Oct 2015 #7
Okay, how about a more academic assessment? brooklynite Oct 2015 #12
That makes sense HassleCat Oct 2015 #15
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
1. Some nonsense article posted yesterday said that with Biden out, Dems are now "united"
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 03:43 PM
Oct 2015

I'll see if I can find it.

On Edit: Here it is: "Joe Biden’s Most Selfless Act Was To Unify Democrats By Not Running"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251710300

murielm99

(30,718 posts)
2. I see nothing wrong with this.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 03:52 PM
Oct 2015

It is an opinion piece, filled with a lot of fact.

Clinton will be the nominee. If the article had said the same thing about Bernie, it would be on the front page of DU, twice, with hundreds of recs.

Hillary will win. Get used to it.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
3. Still early days, muriel.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 03:55 PM
Oct 2015

If O'Malley supporters can still feel strong, so can the Bernie supporters. We are not going to cross over, yet. And some of us, never.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
8. June was early days this is October
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 04:02 PM
Oct 2015

And every candidate has flatlined but Hillary
February is only 4 months away. Nothing is going to change in the next 4 months.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
10. That is because you rely on polls.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 04:05 PM
Oct 2015

That's alright, though. Some people hold on to spoon collections even though they are useless.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
9. How many times are you going to tell us that?
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 04:05 PM
Oct 2015

Why are you even here since you have taken yourself out of the game?
My guess is you want to post more anti Hillary tripe while telling us you won't vote for her. Isn't that getting old?

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
11. Probably, yes
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 04:05 PM
Oct 2015

Hillary will win the nomination, largely because the mainstream media are telling their readers and viewers it's inevitable. The article is not an opinion piece. It's front page, above the fold.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
7. They won't be the last to do so.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 04:00 PM
Oct 2015

The numbers, really, are pretty convincing, when you look at the states needed to have enough delegates to get the nomination. When you look at just the states that will have voted by March 1, the picture is pretty clear, and beyond that, the added delegates will quickly lead to even more certainty.

That's what I've been looking at, and it seems pretty clear to me, with the current polling reinforcing that.

brooklynite

(94,384 posts)
12. Okay, how about a more academic assessment?
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 04:06 PM
Oct 2015
University of Virginia Center for Politics

Biden Out: Clinton, now more than ever

The decision by Vice President Joe Biden to pass on the presidential race confirms what would have been true even if he had entered the contest: This is Hillary Clinton’s race to lose.

Biden’s exit strengthens her position, because it has become clear that Biden was taking more support away from Clinton than from the more liberal Bernie Sanders in polls. For instance, Clinton leads Biden and Sanders 45%-29%-18%, respectively, in a CNN poll conducted after the first debate. But it’s 56%-33% Clinton over Sanders when Biden was removed. Note that Sanders only gained four points without Biden but Clinton gained 11. A new Monmouth University poll showed effectively the same thing (as do others).
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
15. That makes sense
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 04:21 PM
Oct 2015

And it's supported by polling, unlike the USA Today article. It's different to say Clinton picks up 3 to 1 among Biden supporters, rather than implying virtually all Biden supporters are shifting to Clinton.

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