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ram2008

(1,238 posts)
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 12:12 AM Oct 2015

I think Hillary won the Presidency tonight

And I'm one of her biggest critics; I hated the idea of a coronation...

BUT

That was a stunning performance: calm, collected, in command-- knowledgable of the intricacies of all parts of government. She slaughtered the Republican nut cases and exposed them for who they really are. She withstood 11 HOURS of ASSAULT, and came out on top. There was no one in that room with the amount of intelligence Hillary displayed, really.

After tonight, that energy that was missing from her campaign will have finally ignited. I expect she will consolidate the party and will most likely go on to win in the primaries and the Presidency... I will still vote for Bernie out of principle (and because there's always a chance), but I can say now that I no longer worry if she's the nominee.

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I think Hillary won the Presidency tonight (Original Post) ram2008 Oct 2015 OP
The law of unintended consequences activated by the GOP. oasis Oct 2015 #1
Thank you. redstateblues Oct 2015 #2
I'm still voting for Bernie, regardless Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #3
Nobody's perfect redstateblues Oct 2015 #4
The IWR resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, the destruction of a country, Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #12
+1. None of that goes away simply because she made a strong showing at a Congressional hearing. nt winter is coming Oct 2015 #18
It wasn't D-Day. artislife Oct 2015 #20
No doubt. Nailed it for us. Feel the same. nt 7wo7rees Oct 2015 #5
Lol, another "Bernie Supporter" makes a conversion whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #6
Where did I say I converted? nt ram2008 Oct 2015 #7
Your comical unity bomb whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #9
Boohoo ram2008 Oct 2015 #10
Nobody heads up Oct 2015 #8
Where did you get your info? oasis Oct 2015 #11
Who has the time? heads up Oct 2015 #14
Loads of seniors vote. They are retired, they watched. oasis Oct 2015 #16
I think those seniors heads up Oct 2015 #21
This senior didn't watch . . . like most seniors who are unable to Petrushka Oct 2015 #39
I did MFM008 Oct 2015 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Oct 2015 #13
agreed vadermike Oct 2015 #15
The goofiness and snarlieness of the committee rubes made her look good. Smarmie Doofus Oct 2015 #17
I feel better about everything gwheezie Oct 2015 #19
No she didn't! Did you watch the hearing on CSPAN? OMG, is she hated. Repubs calling in were filled in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #22
The Rethugs hate her because they FEAR her. She is their worst nightmare for the general. nt pnwmom Oct 2015 #23
Nooooo. They hate her because her last name is Clinton. They always have, always will. n/t in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #26
They hated Clinton because they lost to him -- twice. pnwmom Oct 2015 #28
Actually, they hated him because he promised not to run against papa Bush and turned around and ran. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #31
He promised not to run against Bush? Yeah, right. nt pnwmom Oct 2015 #34
Yes he did. Google is your friend. Have at it. n/t in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #35
You made the assertion and failed to provide a link. That's not my job. nt pnwmom Oct 2015 #36
It's not my fault you don't know your history. Glad you finally came out of your closet. n/t in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #37
Your history obviously comes from Faux news. n/t pnwmom Oct 2015 #38
60% of the country views her unfavorably. fbc Oct 2015 #24
My first reaction was that she was too damned polite. eridani Oct 2015 #25
LOL. n/t pnwmom Oct 2015 #29
Pay close attention to how Fox will twist it world wide wally Oct 2015 #27
My Sanders backer friends think she was brilliant. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2015 #30
I was trending toward her MFM008 Oct 2015 #32
yes it was quite the performance and it wasn't like she had any time to prepare or anything azurnoir Oct 2015 #40
K & R SunSeeker Oct 2015 #41

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
3. I'm still voting for Bernie, regardless
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 12:22 AM
Oct 2015

Hillary's performance was fine, she gave idiot Republicans a good ass-kicking, but she still has a lot of serious issues, like her vote and advocacy for the IWR, her close ties with Big Money, her support for TPP, and her hawkish, Kissinger-inspired foreign policy, among other things.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
12. The IWR resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, the destruction of a country,
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 12:31 AM
Oct 2015

the emergence of ISIS, and the waste of hundreds of billions of dollars that could have been used to ensure that no one at home would have to live in poverty. And millions of us around the world knew from the very beginning that the IWR, which was being pushed hard by Bush and Cheney, was total bullshit.

And I don't want to have a President who laughs about starting wars and killing other countries' leaders.

And the TPP is going to be a disaster which will likely have an impact on me before the rest of you feel it.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
20. It wasn't D-Day.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 01:34 AM
Oct 2015

But it is over.

We still have more than a year before we vote. And she is still wrong on major issues for me..so I don't think it is over. I am going to caucus hard for her in WA.

Hillary would look at people who give up now and laugh. She wouldn't quit, why should we?

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
10. Boohoo
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 12:30 AM
Oct 2015

I tell it like it is. "Comical" if you want to call it, but it's the reality.

I'm still voting Bernie, but after tonight Hillary will take off, in my opinion.

oasis

(49,376 posts)
16. Loads of seniors vote. They are retired, they watched.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 12:41 AM
Oct 2015

Seniors also closely follow the news. The outcome of the investigation will be a topic of discussion on all the Sunday talk shows.

Video clips will be replayed until the Genersl Election.

 

heads up

(55 posts)
21. I think those seniors
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 01:49 AM
Oct 2015

would do better reading nakedcapitalism than watching that crap if they want to know who to vote for.

"Issues with Clinton’s Views on Social Security

To begin, remember the words I asked you to mentally mark down? (To review: “especially for women,” “our most vulnerable”, “the poorest recipients,” “they need more help” and “those people who need it the most.”) Think about it: They all imply that Clinton wishes to introduce Social Securiyt benefits that are defined using eligibility requirements (“especially,” “most vulnerable,” “poorest”, “need”). That is, Clinton proposes to convert Social Security from a universal program of social insurance to a welfare program. This is a poisoned chalice that will destroy Social Security as we know it. Social Security should not be means-tested:

Medicare and Social Security are not handouts to the needy. They are not even intended to be a safety net. In their design, they promote the fundamental notion that dignity and good health in old age are not special privileges that can be bestowed or taken away. They are fundamental rights that every working American who has contributed productively to the economy can expect to enjoy. As James K. Galbraith told me in an email, “It’s insurance, not charity.”"

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/10/hillary-clinton-on-social-security-expansion-words-are-wind-a-cold-wind.html

Petrushka

(3,709 posts)
39. This senior didn't watch . . . like most seniors who are unable to
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:17 AM
Oct 2015
pick up cable TV signals with rabbit-ear antennae.

Response to ram2008 (Original post)

vadermike

(1,415 posts)
15. agreed
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 12:41 AM
Oct 2015

I have been critical of her too.. but i want the strongest person to face the GOP next year to win the Presidency and I am convinced.. !! Lets beat the GOP at their own game.. wow she did well.. i even had GOPers in my offcie impressed with her today and that is no small feat! wow

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
17. The goofiness and snarlieness of the committee rubes made her look good.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 12:48 AM
Oct 2015

If she'd been facing real pros it would have likely been a different story.

Remember .... these aren't just House tea-partiers... they're *second string* tea partiers.. They're generally kept out of sight. ( And for a REASON).

If Bernie's smart he'll go after the GOP congress... the way HST went after the '48 GOP congress... only much more unstintingly.

If he's going to have a successful presidency he's going to have to reduce their #s DRAMATICALLY anyway.





gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
19. I feel better about everything
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 01:23 AM
Oct 2015

I support HRC but thought Bernie had a terrific debate performance. My concern about him not being up to the level of a national debate against a GOP candidate was unfounded. Afterwards I felt if Bernie is the nominee, I could vote for him confident that Bernie will be great.
After watching the entire clown car attack on Hillary today I thought this is why I support her. She is tough, tough, tough. My goodness she is not going to cave no matter what the GOP throws at her.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
22. No she didn't! Did you watch the hearing on CSPAN? OMG, is she hated. Repubs calling in were filled
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 01:53 AM
Oct 2015

with rabid hatred for her and some Dems were disgusted with another Clinton scandal - the private server.

STOP WATCHING CORPORATE OWNED MSM! They have one agenda and THAT is to get their Corporate Owned candidate elected so their Oligarchy is not destroyed. Hillary still represents everything that's wrong with this country. That didn't change just because she didn't crash and burn at her hearing today. Every MSM news channel is CORPORATE OWNED. They are going to sell their Corporate Owners' agenda and that will be to push Hillary as the inevitable one. You cannot believe anything you see or hear on any corporate owned network. THEY'RE ALL CORRUPT. CNN proved that just last week!

Hillary can't win the GE without a huge millennial vote and OWS supporters, MILLENNIALS, are NOT going to vote for her and Republicans, who hate her with a passion, are going to show up in droves just to vote against her. And many Progressives, myself included, are not voting for more of the same. Hillary is more of the same.

FRACKING
PRISONS FIR PROFITS
THE TPP
XL PIPELINE
FRIEND OF WALL ST. GREEDY THIEVES who cost this country $12.8 TRILLION - our tax dollars
She voted for the IWR
She voted for the Patriot Act
She voted for the Bankruptcy Bill
She supports tax loopholes

She's still the same Hillary. She's not going to win the Primary.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
31. Actually, they hated him because he promised not to run against papa Bush and turned around and ran.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:32 AM
Oct 2015

It was Bush's turn. They hated him just for running. Period.

Hillary is hated because she's a Clinton.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
25. My first reaction was that she was too damned polite.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:14 AM
Oct 2015

Second thought was that the political optics were better. As DH pointed out, "You probably would have called them sociopathic shitstains, and that would have been the main story."

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,110 posts)
30. My Sanders backer friends think she was brilliant.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:21 AM
Oct 2015

I think that being the punching bag for the angry white guy put her at a great advantage. Not sure if she rose or stooped to the occasion.

MFM008

(19,805 posts)
32. I was trending toward her
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:35 AM
Oct 2015

coz I just wasnt connecting with Bernie. This happened in 08, I was trending toward Hillary but when Obama gave his speech in Iowa, that locked it in for me for Obama. Today, I watched 11 hours of cool, calm and collected and presidential. For a man to do what she did he would have to be sedated. My vote will be for Hillary. Im going to donate to her for the first time tonight.

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