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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts) Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:40 PM Oct 2015

Cesar Vargas - Prominent Dreamer Joins Bernie Sanders Campaign

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-dreamer-cesar-vargas_562950fee4b0ec0a3893defa

WASHINGTON -- Cesar Vargas, a leading undocumented activist, joined Sen. Bernie Sanders' campaign on Thursday, Vargas' advocacy group announced -- another sign the senator's bid for the Democratic presidential nomination is ramping up its efforts on immigration and the Latino vote.

Vargas is a co-founder of the Dream Action Coalition, which is led by young undocumented immigrants, or Dreamers. The group has been heavily critical of Republicans on immigration, but has also chastised President Barack Obama over deportations and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, one of Sanders' opponents, over donations from private prison lobbyists

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The organization did not endorse Sanders (I-Vt.) but praised him in statements Thursday. Dream Action Coalition co-director Carlos Vargas said Sanders "is a strong choice: he is great on immigration in general, stood with us on the border children and he wants to get the Corrections Corporation of America, GEO Group and other corporations out of politics," referring to two major private prison companies.

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Cesar Vargas - Prominent Dreamer Joins Bernie Sanders Campaign (Original Post) Luminous Animal Oct 2015 OP

Bernie seems to be getting the moniker azmom Oct 2015 #1

cute. nt artislife Oct 2015 #11

:) Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #2

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #3

Didn't Bernie vote against immigration? JaneyVee Oct 2015 #4

Ask Vargus, ask him why he has joined Bernie's campaign. He certainly has been writing about his sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #5

He voted against a pathway to citizenship... NCTraveler Oct 2015 #6

I do believe you've got that backwards. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #7

Thank you for that, I am SO tired of that idiotic meme. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #10

De nada. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #13

I second that tblue Oct 2015 #22

Because they don't like the facts. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #25

There sure are lots of idiotic memes floating around, aren't there? Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #24

Swift boating Bernie - it's all some HC supporters care about. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #26

Thanks for that. People who care about the issues care about the truth, first. delrem Oct 2015 #15

Great response to utter nonsense. Thanks. n/t bvf Oct 2015 #20

Not entirely. IN 2007, Bernie did vote against comprehensive immigration reform, while Hillary still_one Oct 2015 #28

Did you just pick a random point bvf Oct 2015 #30

No. I went to the site "on the issues" to see how various representatives were on certain issues. still_one Oct 2015 #32

Here are the exact voting records for Bernie and Hillary still_one Oct 2015 #27

Yes. Because of the guest worker provions which SPLC definges as "close to slavery" Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #8

Isn't he the one who said they would send the border children back? artislife Oct 2015 #12

No big surprises, huh? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #18

No, he voted against a bill that provided for near-slave labor. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #17

Bernie Sanders contrata al ‘dreamer’ César Vargas como parte de su campaña Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #9

Kick. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #14

For those that say Sanders voted against immigration, need to educate themselves Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #16

And it was Hillary who favored deporting the child refugees from Central America. jfern Oct 2015 #19

Bingo Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #21

Kick and R BeanMusical Oct 2015 #23

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #29

My gawd, he must of been brainwashed davidpdx Oct 2015 #31

kick DianeK Oct 2015 #33

azmom

(5,208 posts)

1. Bernie seems to be getting the moniker

Reply to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:47 PM

Oct 2015

Tio Bernie from la raza. I like it a lot. Hope it sticks.

artislife

(9,497 posts)

11. cute. nt

Reply to azmom (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 08:13 PM

Oct 2015

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)

2. :)

Reply to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:48 PM

Oct 2015

Uncle Joe

(58,328 posts)

3. Kicked and recommended.

Reply to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 05:01 PM

Oct 2015

Thanks for the thread, Luminous Animal.

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)

4. Didn't Bernie vote against immigration?

Reply to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 05:16 PM

Oct 2015

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)

5. Ask Vargus, ask him why he has joined Bernie's campaign. He certainly has been writing about his

Reply to JaneyVee (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 05:27 PM

Oct 2015

community's issues for quite a while and it's no surprise he would end up working the one candidate in the race who has consistently supported minorities and the issues that most affect them, throughout his political career.

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)

6. He voted against a pathway to citizenship...

Reply to JaneyVee (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 05:34 PM

Oct 2015

Multiple times for economic reasons. Kennedy, Obama, Clinton and Biden were supportive. They believe the citizenship aspect for over ten million people outweighed the visa issue. Something I agree with. One of the reasons I'm for Clinton. I do not want a pathway to citizenship vetoed because it doesn't make it to the Presidents desk clean. We know well what the house looks like.

That being said people evolve. Vargas is very smart. He isn't doing this against his best interests. Sanders is one of the best out there in this area. This is a good individual pickup.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)

7. I do believe you've got that backwards.

Reply to NCTraveler (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 06:25 PM

Oct 2015

Dylan Matthews: In 2007, you had some concerns about the immigration bill being weighed by the Senate, and voted against it. Now that the new Gang of Eight bill is out of committee, what do you make of it?

Sen. Bernie Sanders: Thanks for calling. Let me just say this. I'm a strong supporter of immigration reform, and of the need to provide a pathway to citizenship for 11 million undocumented immigrants. I very strongly support the DREAM Act, and will continue to strongly support it. I very strongly believe, as someone who knows what's going on in the dairy industry in Vermont, that there's no question we need to create a status for immigrant workers in agriculture, and I think the committee is making good progress there.

My concerns are in regards to where we stand in terms of guest workers programs, made worse by amendments offered by Senator Hatch. What I do not support is, under the guise of immigrant reform, a process pushed by large corporations which results in more unemployment and lower wages for American workers.

Southern Poverty Law Conference - Close to Slavery: Guestworker Programs in the United States

https://www.splcenter.org/20130218/close-slavery-guestworker-programs-united-states

Under the current H-2 program overseen by the U.S. Department of Labor (DOL), employers brought about 106,000 guestworkers into this country in 2011 — approximately 55,000 for agricultural work and another 51,000 for jobs in forestry, seafood processing, landscaping, construction and other non-agricultural industries.

But far from being treated like “guests,” these workers are systematically exploited and abused. Unlike U.S. citizens, guestworkers do not enjoy the most fundamental protection of a competitive labor market — the ability to change jobs if they are mistreated. Instead, they are bound to the employers who “import” them. If guestworkers complain about abuses, they face deportation, blacklisting or other retaliation.

Bound to a single employer and without access to legal resources, guestworkers are routinely:

Cheated out of wages

Forced to mortgage their futures to obtain low-wage, temporary jobs

Held virtually captive by employers or labor brokers who seize their documents

Subjected to human trafficking and debt servitude

Forced to live in squalid conditions

Denied medical benefits for on-the-job injuries.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)

10. Thank you for that, I am SO tired of that idiotic meme.

Reply to Luminous Animal (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 08:12 PM

Oct 2015

Bernie is a son of immigrants, he is anything BUT anti-immigration.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)

13. De nada.

Reply to beam me up scottie (Reply #10)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 08:33 PM

Oct 2015

tblue

(16,350 posts)

22. I second that

Reply to beam me up scottie (Reply #10)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 04:00 AM

Oct 2015

Why can't facts decide this thing instead of innuendo, right?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)

25. Because they don't like the facts.

Reply to tblue (Reply #22)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 04:51 AM

Oct 2015

They try to make up their own to fit the narrative - Bernie's a racist, anti-immigrant white guy who doesn't care about social justice. They've been pushing that since the day he announced.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)

24. There sure are lots of idiotic memes floating around, aren't there?

Reply to beam me up scottie (Reply #10)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 04:44 AM

Oct 2015

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)

26. Swift boating Bernie - it's all some HC supporters care about.

Reply to Art_from_Ark (Reply #24)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 04:56 AM

Oct 2015

If they cared about immigrants they would tell the truth instead of using minorities like pawns.

But they're not fooling anyone, the selective outrage is obvious.

delrem

(9,688 posts)

15. Thanks for that. People who care about the issues care about the truth, first.

Reply to Luminous Animal (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 01:04 AM

Oct 2015

They care about "candidates" second.

People who have that backward are lightweights.

bvf

(6,604 posts)

20. Great response to utter nonsense. Thanks. n/t

Reply to Luminous Animal (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 02:46 AM

Oct 2015

still_one

(92,108 posts)

28. Not entirely. IN 2007, Bernie did vote against comprehensive immigration reform, while Hillary

Reply to bvf (Reply #20)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 05:21 AM

Oct 2015

voted for it. However, most of the immigration issues they did agree on.

http://www.ontheissues.org/house/Bernie_Sanders.htm#Immigration

http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm#Immigration

bvf

(6,604 posts)

30. Did you just pick a random point

Reply to still_one (Reply #28)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 07:10 AM

Oct 2015

to jump into this thread without bothering to read any of it first?

In 2007, Sanders voted against a comprehensive immigration reform bill because of his concerns around how guest-worker programs impact native workers. Most recently, Sanders joined other Senators calling on the U.S. Department of Justice, the Department of Homeland Security and the Labor Department to investigate potential abuses in the H1-B program.

http://immigrationimpact.com/2015/05/01/bernie-sanders-immigration-policy-track-record/

still_one

(92,108 posts)

32. No. I went to the site "on the issues" to see how various representatives were on certain issues.

Reply to bvf (Reply #30)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 10:02 AM

Oct 2015

Your link obviously is more current

Thanks for pointing it out, I appreciate it

still_one

(92,108 posts)

27. Here are the exact voting records for Bernie and Hillary

Reply to Luminous Animal (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 05:18 AM

Oct 2015

Bernie:

Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities". (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007)
Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program. (May 2007)
Voted NO on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on preventing tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment. (May 2004)
Voted NO on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998)
Rated 0% by FAIR, indicating a voting record loosening immigration. (Dec 2003)
Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. (Dec 2006)

Hillary:

Opposes illegal immigration, but doesn’t vote to follow up. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities". (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007)
Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program. (May 2007)
Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on establishing a Guest Worker program. (May 2006)
Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)
Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006)
Sponsored bill covering child resident aliens under Medicaid. (May 2005)
Sponsored bill funding social services for noncitizens. (May 2006)
Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. (Dec 2006)

In 2007 Bernie and Hillary did disagree on a bill for comprehensive immigration reform. Bernie voted NO, Hillary voted YES

However, Hillary did vote on an issue that could present problems for her, and that is allowing "illegal aliens" to participate in Social Security in 2006.

These positions were extracted from "OnTheIssues"

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)

8. Yes. Because of the guest worker provions which SPLC definges as "close to slavery"

Reply to JaneyVee (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 06:55 PM

Oct 2015

Southern Poverty Law Conference - Close to Slavery: Guestworker Programs in the United States

https://www.splcenter.org/20130218/close-slavery-guestworker-programs-united-states

Cheated out of wages

Forced to mortgage their futures to obtain low-wage, temporary jobs

Held virtually captive by employers or labor brokers who seize their documents

Subjected to human trafficking and debt servitude

Forced to live in squalid conditions

Denied medical benefits for on-the-job injuries.

artislife

(9,497 posts)

12. Isn't he the one who said they would send the border children back?

Reply to JaneyVee (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 08:13 PM

Oct 2015

Oops. That wasn't him.

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)

18. No big surprises, huh?

Reply to artislife (Reply #12)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 01:32 AM

Oct 2015

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)

17. No, he voted against a bill that provided for near-slave labor.

Reply to JaneyVee (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 24, 2015, 01:27 AM

Oct 2015

But nice try.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)

9. Bernie Sanders contrata al ‘dreamer’ César Vargas como parte de su campaña

Reply to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:50 PM

Oct 2015

http://www.univision.com/noticias/destino-2016/bernie-sanders-contrata-al-dreamer-cesar-vargas-como-parte-de-su-campana

From Google Translate

"This is a new front in the struggle of dreamers," Vargas said in a telephone interview. "We have already graduated from universities, we have made activism for immigration reform, we have been in Congress. Now the dreamers also be part of the 2016 elections. "
Vargas, who signed his contract with the Sanders campaign on Tuesday, said the presidential candidate shares the values of the struggle of the dreamers.

"He has challenged both parties, not just Republicans but also the establishment (D) to ensure that we keep moving forward. What we have done reflects the movement of dreamers, we confront both parties, "Vargas said. "And Sanders is originally from Brooklyn like me, and even studied in high school myself."

His role will include helping some proposals pautar Sanders during the competition by the White House. "One of the main things will work on their platform on immigration and ensure that it is strong, but also work on other issues such as Puerto Rico, the health and education," he said.

He says he has spoken with dreamers in different parts of the nation have said they are satisfied with Sanders, platforms for challenging the other Democratic candidates.

"I think the senator (Sanders) took a step further than others: not only wanted to meet with dreamers because they are good people, as you said Hillary Clinton, but also includes us in his team to ensure that its platform includes the issues and needs of our community, "Vargas said.