2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumLet's Start the Debates: Sanders, Clinton & O'Malley on The Private Prison Industry!
We have enough information on all of the candidates to hold debates without DWS and her undemocratic attempts to prevent the people from learning about ALL of the candidates.
And since we have the means to do so why wait for DWS to tell us what we can and cannot learn about the candidates:
So, where do these three Democratic Party Candidates stand on this most important issue?
Bernie Sanders:
Backing his words with action, Sanders has introduced legislation that would BAN States and municipalities from contracting with Private Corporations that are in the Private Prison Business.
Here he outlines WHY this atrocious practice MUST be abolished. It is well worth reading in its entirety:
Why We Must End For Profit Prisons
The prison industry is highly profitable. The two biggest prison corporations in the country made $3.3 billion in 2012 profiting from government payments and prison laborers, who were forced to work for pennies on behalf of companies like Boeing and McDonalds.
With so much money at stake, its not surprising that the for-profit prison industry is corrupting our political process. According to National Institute on Money in Politics just one such company, the GEO Group, has given more than $6 million to Republican, Democratic, and independent candidates over the past 13 years.
Moreover, as the Washington Post reports, the two largest for-profit prison corporations and their associates have funneled more than $10 million to candidates since 1989 and have spent nearly $25 million on lobbying efforts.
Here is what Bernie's legislation would do, I would hope he will get the backing of his colleagues, Democrats at least will unite around this legislation:
My legislation also takes steps to reduce our bloated inmate population. It reinstates the federal parole system, which was abolished in the 1980s, so that officials can individually assess each prisoners risk and chance for rehabilitation. It ends the immigrant detention quota, which requires officials to hold a minimum of 34,000 people captive at any given time. And it would end the detention of immigrant families, many of whom are currently held in privately-owned facilities in Texas and Pennsylvania.
Sanders Does Not Accept Money from the Private Prison Industry OR Use its Lobbyists to Raise Funds for him!
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Hillary Clinton:
I have found no strong statements from Clinton on the horrors of the Private Prison Industry until approximately two weeks ago.
It was revealed that her campaign was using Lobbyists for the Private Prison Industry to bundle donations for her campaign.
This report prompted a strong, negative reaction from advocacy groups, ColorofChange.org eg, and #BlackLivesMatter.
Demands were made that she cut ties with the Private Prison Industry and petitions signed by thousands of people eventually prompted her, on Oct 9th, to announce that she would be cutting ties with the Private Prison Industry.
She also called for ending this industry at this time:
Hillary Clinton Wants To End Private Prison Industry - Reportedly Stops Accepting Their Contributions
In a related note, Clinton has allegedly announced that she is no longer accepting campaign contributions from powerful private prison lobbyists, according to ColorOfChange.org.
The article notes that her remarks came just prior to hosting an African Americans for Hillary event at Clark Atlanta University
She noted that she specifically wants to focus on ending funding to private prisons as the way to end them, Deray McKesson said on Twitter. McKesson is an activist known for his large Twitter following and his involvement in the protests in Baltimore and Ferguson, Mo.
Zellie Imani, an activist and teacher, had a more pointed question about the money that private prisons have already allegedly given Clinton.
We want to talk to her about private prison lobbyists who may have donated money to her campaign, he said. What is she going to do about that money? Is she going to return it? Is she going to make an acknowledgement of those funds being donated to her? How can you end private prisons and still take these donations?
At this point, I was unable to find an answer to that question. Bundlers are essentially a part of campaigns. And since some of her bundlers ARE lobbyists for the Private Prison Industry, we have to assume that she has fired them, although to date, that is not clear.
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Martin O'Malley:
O'Malley has been criticized for his 'tough on crime' stance while Gov of Md. However wrt to the Private Prison Industry he appeared to be surprised that this huge industry has been donating millions of dollars to Congress for years in this interview after he announced his bid for the White House:
O'Malley for President. For Profit Prison Money for Congress?
Although he is opposed to for-profit prisons and responded that we need to act on the symbol of our country, the Statue of Liberty and not a barbed wire fence, I informed Gov. OMalley to make the for-profit prison industry a priority considering the immigration reform he spoke hopeful of
In his recent proposals for Criminal Justice Reforms, O'Malley calls for the 'phasing out of' the Private Prison Industry:
Martin O'Malley Just Unveiled His Sweeping Criminal Justice Reform
I found no evidence that O'Malley has ever received any funding either through Private Prison Lobbyist bundling for his campaign or in any other way.
I for one, am very happy to see the focus on this reprehensible 'Industry' which no Democracy should ever have sanctioned. For years Civil Rights and Prison Reform Activists have been exposing the horrors of this vile industry but to no avail.
So it is now a big issue in this campaign and while we cannot rely on what politicians SAY during campaigns, at least knowing their records on issues as important as this one, can help voters to make more informed choices when choosing who to vote for!
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)She totally supports the way that Big Banking has a stranglehold on the nation.
Speaking as someone who narrowly avoided being charged with "forging" a check that was legally made out to me, the Big Banks are now doing everything they can to ensure as many warm bodies are in jail each night.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)prisons.
I read a while ago that the Private Prison Industry went Public on Wall St. I can't say how sick this makes me and I would probably starve before accepting a dime from people so reprehensible as to trade off human suffering and something to alien to any nation calling itself a democracy!
I know they are scared to death now that they have dragged out of the shadows and place squarely in the public eye. Not it's up to Americans themselves to demonstrate what kind of country they want.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)Thanks for the thread, sabrina.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)context. Currently 16% of Federal detainees are in privately run facilities and most of them are involved in immigration related, non criminal detentions. And additional 6% of State detainees are in private facilities as well as a few local and country jail systems in very few States.
Bernie gets extra points for talking about Federal parole and reduction of the prison population as a whole. By reducing times, cutting back on offenses that cause prison time and ending mandatory minimums and three strikes madness we could more easily rid ourselves of the need for either private prisons or the building of more and more prisons.
Another aspect of this issue that needs to remain in focus is that the private ownership issue is not the cause of our many serious problems in the prison and justice systems and that if we took all of them back into public control today we would still have enormous and pressing prison related issues to deal with. Private prisons are just one aspect of this complex and very important set of issues. We can't forget the rest of it. It's far too important.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)system we have. However, there is something additionally reprehensible about profiting on Wall St from our supposed judicial system.
Wrt to the detention of immigrants, that is something that so badly needed a light shone it.
Those detention centers, like the prisons, have been guilty of so many human rights violations that it is sad that the country at large has taken few steps to try to end this abominable practice.
The NY Times did a series of exposures of the horrific, inhumane conditions, including the many DEATHS that have occurred in these detention centers, a few years ago.
Congress ignored the exposure. And since then we can only assume nothing has changed, for the better.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Sure, you can talk about "issues" but what does it matter when one candidate is such a rock star?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)some of these issues do. But that's just me, I don't trust our system period, so putting on a very distracting show would not surprise me in the least.
Bernie I am certain won't be distracted. Nor will most voters who don't have time for the fighting among, or pretend fighting or whatever it is, Corps win regardless, Political Parties.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)This was the first I had read about her no longer taking the private prison lobbyist money.
She needs to go further, I think, and - like Bernie Sanders - say what we all know; "the drug war is a failure and needs to end"
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)taken already. I give no kudos to would-leaders of this nation who have to be forced to make decisions that should be clear are necessary to any person with any clue as to what they are doing.
I could see it if it was just one or two bad decisions.
And I frankly do not trust people who have no record that they in any way changed their minds from participating in creating a problem, which of course she did with her support for Three Strikes, now finally overturned thankfully, until they see it is hurting their chances of being elected.
The problem with such sudden turnarounds is that if we trust them and give them the job they want, they can just as quickly turn around again, and in fact that happens so often it would be foolish to ignore it.
Activists are pressing to find out what has been done with the money already taken by her campaign.
Thankfully the people are really watching these politicians now because we've all learned some hard lessons over the past number of years.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Im supporting Sanders in the primary.
If Hillary is the nominee, though, I will appreciate Sanders having driven the conversation in the directions he has.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Her entire history on issues is extremely conservative. She shows passion only when she is talking about the poor, see the Welfare Reform Bill eg, not being encouraged to be 'dependent'.
I find her attitude towards those outside her own elite circle to be very condescending. Always comparing how 'hard working' she was and while she's 'willing to support some assistance to those less fortunate', she always makes sure to talk about 'ecouraging a sense of responsibility'
She compares herself, which is ludicrous of course, considering she had parents who paid for her college not to mention back then, college was far more available to far more people.
So our best hope is that Bernie wins the nomination if we want anything to change.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)More comfortable.
It is the 2002-2006 Hillary, the Hillary that voted for the Iraq war, the Hillary that showed disregard for the 1st Amendment by pandering on "flag burning", the Hillary of "marriage is a sacred bond between a man and a woman", that makes me nervous.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)claims to have changed, we still don't now where she NOW stands on the awful Welfare Reform Bill. She boasts that she used her status as First Lady to get votes to pass that bill, angering every Liberal friend including the Edelmans, who were very opposed to it. Several Liberal members of Clinton's cabinet resigned in protest and their predictions regarding how damaging it would be to mostly poor mothers and children especially minorities, have come true.
As late as 2008 she was still claiming to be proud of that terrible assault and poverty inducing legislation which was the dream of Conservatives for so long. It had racist overtones, the old 'welfare queens' dog whistle.
Then there was DOMA, again she supported that awful legislation. And to be honest I am trying to remember why I ever supported in the first place.
On every major issue she has been very conservatiive. On Gay Rights, on poor minorities, on women through the legislation she supported.
I believe it is imperative that Bernie wins otherwise it will be a further plunge into 'compromise' legislation which it appears to me, she actually supports even when she says she 'changed her mind'.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I'm not sure what she "really" believes, because like her Husband, she is a product of a certain sort of political approach which took away lessons from everything between George McGovern to Walter Mondale to Bill Clinton's original loss of the Little Rock statehouse-
but learned those lessons a little too well. I do believe that a lot of the objectionable things BC did as president were outgrowths of the 1994 congressional turnover. That doesn't excuse him, but he was doing what he does- triangulate from defeat by adopting the positions of the other side.
I'm not sure what these guys would do in a total political vacuum. I want to believe the "real" underlying progressivism would come out- but in some regards, I wonder if they would know what to do at all, without polls or political winds to direct them.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)If her principles are truly against it, she can admit it in public.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)one knowing the horrors of these immigrant detention centers and private prisons, to me, I would prefer you didn't do it at all.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)last time. That's fine to do if it is returned. But it hasn't been. She's going after him, personally now, but her surrogates and Citizens United funded Super Pacs have been doing it all along.
I know he knows how to deal with people like Greenspan, eg. And that is how she deserves to be treated at this point. Like any other politician who is and has been wrong on important issues.