Sanders awful record on guns.

She's the one lacing her rhetoric with groundless insults, not Bernie.

Bernie is calling for people coming together on what we DO agree on, rather
than further polarizing with divisive hateful attacks.

Sorry, but that's why Hillary's sexist smear is actually counter-productive to getting to "yes"
to start building consensus, and changing policy.

The feminist movement doesn't need to be discredited by arguably the most prominent woman in the country mischaracterizing Bernie. It's a disservice to women and waters down the power of the word.

Bernie is not.

Who do you think the independents will vote or, the gun grabber or Bernie?

Therefore Hillary will lose. Glad to see you admit that.

But I doubt most of DUers are gun grabbers. They are like Bernie who sensibly just wants simple laws that keep guns out of the hands of people that will go crazy with guns.

probably be turned into shovels.

Gore lost many votes because he was perceived to be like Hillary and want to grab guns.

You need to accept reality, Fred, and quit with the nonsense that most people want guns grabbed like Hillary proposes.

All we need to do is make simple laws that keep guns out of the hands of people who will do crazy killings with guns. Like Bernie says.

Wow.

I would, personally, like to see many guns 'grabbed'.

Politically, it would be a losing proposition to suggest as much in national electoral politics.

I have limited search capabilities, but did read a post on DU in the last week(?) attributed to HRC, stating that she indeed would consider grabbing guns. I shall do some more searching........

In the meantime it may be easier for Hillary supporters to pull up her official policy on gun grabbing?

Keep the guns out of the hands of people who will use them to do mass killings.

Grabbing all the guns like Hillary wants to do is not going to win an election, therefore she is a loser.

Bernie's idea is a winner, and fighting his good idea is what the NRA does.

As a gun owner who will gladly support Hillary if she wins the primary, I'd like to know about these fantastical policies that she's promoting.

If you are truly a Hillary supporter, tell us what you think her gun control stance is. If you say she has not considered grabbing guns, you do her a disservice.

Bernie is totally against gun grabbing. Hillary has said she is considering the idea.

* no policy ideas cited
* assumed I am a Hillary supporter because I said I'd support her if nominated. I'd also gladly support Bernie if nominated, even though I find it rather disturbing that he voted against the Brady bill 5x. I may vote for Bernie in the primary, haven't decided yet.

Something tells me you don't know her stance, otherwise you'd not be asking.

As for her policy it will be whatever Bernie comes up with, except for his stance that we all stop shouting about it and sit down and talk about the problem. That, and she says she would consider grabbing guns.

Sounds like fear mongering to me. I feel like I've accidentally clicked on /r/progun.

Will you vote for Hillary if she is in favor of grabbing guns?

How is that confusing you?

Please go play with somebody else.

Will you vote for Hillary if she is a gun grabber?

Seems a pretty simple yes or no should be rather easy.

Why are you ducking the question?

"grab guns"? You could also clarify just what "grabbing guns" means to you so the other person in this part of the thread might answer you. Until then you are just coming off as a RW troll.

I am not anything near what you are saying and so what you have done is issued a smear. Smearing is not what we do on DU. Sure, Hillary and republicans do such things, and I am reminded of the old saying: Birds of a feather flock together.

Bernie is not a gun grabber, right?

I feel like that poster may have touched a nerve.

And yet you refuse to answer a simple question? Bwhahahha

No nationally elected official will ever win a national election if the populous feels that person is a gun grabber. Bernie is not a gun grabber and he has proven that. Can't say the same for Hillary, can you?

The previous poster, much like yourself, has reduced them selves to personal attacks and therefore are mere play things to be discarded. Welcome to DU.

Proven beyond a doubt that you are making up this gun-grabber assertion, you're left with asking silly hypothetical questions and attacking those who've noted your lack of a valid argument to support your hollow assertions.

Bernie has proven he is not a gun grabber.

Hillary has not.

If you want to post then have the courage to post where others can see it.

"Rather than publicly humiliate you, we'll keep it private

Mail Message
Of course you can publicly apologize or your smears?
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141235952

Hillary Clinton Says A National Gun Buyback Program Is 'Worth Considering'
Source: Huffington Post

It's "worth considering" whether the United States should emulate Australia by instituting a national gun buyback program, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said Friday at a town hall in New Hampshire.

A man in the audience asked Clinton whether she thought it would be possible for the U.S. to enact such a program, and if not, why. Gun buybacks have happened at the metropolitan level in the U.S., but any effort at the national level would be sure to run into intense political opposition.
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In that DU discussion it is pointed out that what Hillary suggests is the government confiscate guns; read "grab", but pay for the guns grabbed.

Be sure to welcome to DU the new members on DU that tried to smear me. Instead of taking my word for it, they just used smears in an attempt to win debate. They have a lot to learn, eh? "

I'll let others decide if the possible consideration of voluntary gun buybacks is "gun grabbing".

You may now notice I am quite proficient at this game some of you play. It is rare that I ever lose.

You will see above, (look at time stamp) that I was indeed BRAVE enough to first post in public what I sent you via PM. Just didn't want to personally, on these replies, hit you with it since you are new here. But..... you done did it yourself.

I'll be waiting patiently for said cites of Hillary calling for "gun-grabbing".

Hillary's votes have killed more people than Bernie's votes.

Hillary's votes have killed more people than Bernie's.

Still those votes on the Brady Bill are on the record, and no evolving or apologies yet that I know of.

Bernie's voting record on the Brady Bill is no secret, and frankly not all that relevant to the OP

other than the fact that he directly addressed his comment to her, by name.

Methinks some doth protest too much.

Notoriously skillful in fact. I won't argue with that.

Thanks for giving it notice!

Considering Saletan's stance on women's right to abortion, he thinks it should be restricted, and his inside the village view point on most issues, there are far better sources for this argument.
http://www.eschatonblog.com/2012/04/wanker-of-decade-runner-up-5.html

But the article does reveal something sad about Sanders.


These quotes.

Sanders has been giving this answer for years. He did it in July, after an O’Malley super PAC ad attacked him (“We have been yelling and screaming at each other about guns for decades,” said Sanders). He did it again in August, after a male surrogate for Clinton attacked him (“I can get beyond the noise and all of these arguments and people shouting at each other”). He did it again in October, after the mass shooting in Roseburg, Oregon (“People on both sides of this issue cannot simply continue shouting at each other”). Sanders gives this answer to everyone.

But Bernie is way closer than anyone else I've ever campaigned for, in all my 5 decades
of voting. The last candidate I felt this way about was Robert Kennedy.

Partly because of my history of working for Bobby, I am much more in favor of stronger
gun control than my candidate, but i do feel Bernie is coming to terms with how running
for the national office requires him to represent a much broader constituency,
especially on this issue of guns.

and the Head Weathervane herself.

Does anybody really think this is good politics in either the primary or the general campaign? Suggesting that Sanders is insufficiently sensitive toward women due to his tone of voice? Or running to Sanders' LEFT on gun control?


Good luck with that, Hillary supporters.

Convince yourself that an election can be decided months before the first vote is cast if it makes you feel good. But we have a real race here and yelling your prediction about how it will all turn out is not going to win my vote. Nor anybody else's.

It must be hard to campaign on the idea that people should vote for your candidate, even though they prefer somebody else. If you think that helps your cause -- I say amp it up, and repeat it everywhere!

Vote for my candidate because my candidate is going to win anyway!!!!