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RandySF

(57,632 posts)
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:36 PM Oct 2015

Bernie Sanders and the Minuteman Militia

Recently, he went on the Plane Still Missing Network... err, I mean CNN, to proclaim the goodness of 99.9% of gun owners in America. One might be compelled to ask the question as to how Sen. Sanders arrived at this statistic, given that over 60% of sellers on the Internet and gun shows have indicated their willingness to sell guns to someone who cannot pass a background check.

Given all of this, why the populations affected most adversely by gun violence have a pause on the Senator who is so callously pro-gun is indeed puzzling...

Turns out, though, that it gets worse. Bernie Sanders isn't content to pull out pro-gun statistics from the hat, he is on the record supporting the vigilante and racist border militia group 'The Minuteman Project'.

In 2006, realizing that a Democratic takeover is in the writing on the wall, the then-Republican majority in Congress hobbled together to write into law protections for the anti-immigrant, racist vigilante group. Even though the militia group is involved in unsanctioned, armed activity along the Mexican-American border, the Republicans barred the US government from notifying the Mexican authorities about potential dangers to their citizens living or traveling near the US-Mexico border.

The amendment to the Homeland Security Appropriations bill read such (link to text in Congressional record):
“None of the funds made available by this Act may be used to provide a foreign government information relating to the activities of an organized volunteer civilian action group, operating in the State of California, Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona, unless required by international treaty.”


Note the bolded part again. The language prohibited notifications of activity only in the states of California, Texas, New Mexico and Arizona - all states on the Mexican border. No such prohibition applied, of course, to groups operating in the border states of Alaska, Washington, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota, Michigan, New York, New Hampshire, Maine or Sen. Sanders' home state, Vermont. You get three guesses as to the reason why, but it bears mentioning that these latter border states share a border with our white neighbor to the north, Canada, not with our brown southern neighbor, Mexico.


http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2015/7/17/gun-loving-progressive-hero-bernie-sanders-voted-to-protect-racist-vigilante-border-militia
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Bernie Sanders and the Minuteman Militia (Original Post) RandySF Oct 2015 OP
I don't think this is going to help things.... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #1
Over 40% of House Democrats voted for this jfern Oct 2015 #2
So a minority of the minority? RandySF Oct 2015 #3
The Latino/Hispanic community already know abou this. eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2015 #4
Jury Results: George II Oct 2015 #5
The alerts are completely out of control. JRLeft Oct 2015 #15
I suppose Sanders had his reasons. But I can't see anyone supporting the Border Klan. Hoyt Oct 2015 #6
I looked. I still can't find an explanation. RandySF Oct 2015 #9
Hey you! sheshe2 Oct 2015 #27
Whew, people are sensitive. Thanks. Hoyt Oct 2015 #45
Jury Results: SunSeeker Oct 2015 #28
Lol~ sheshe2 Oct 2015 #30
Yep. Small world. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #34
Ha! sheshe2 Oct 2015 #35
This didn't go to well when you posted this tripe before neverforget Oct 2015 #39
Huge immigration debate in 2006. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #7
From the About page: madfloridian Oct 2015 #8
Spamdan of People's Spew... WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #12
Listed under Our friends: Smartypants beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #17
remember michigandem58? Yeah that's his website neverforget Oct 2015 #40
That guy was banned from DU, I see they got it past a jury this time around. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #42
This is trash from a hack web site. Have you no shame? Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #10
So he did not vote for it? RandySF Oct 2015 #11
It appears to be a meaningless vote. Can you show me any consequences? Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #13
read post 32 lunamagica Oct 2015 #43
Deadly drug cartels and a passive Mexican government? WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #14
Where in this amendment does it reference a "racist vigilante border militia"? Tia! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #16
It didn't have to specifically refer to the Minutemen to protect them. RandySF Oct 2015 #18
So he didn't actually vote to support a "racist vigilante border militia". beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #19
He did by voting for this. RandySF Oct 2015 #20
No, we've already established that's a false claim. Why won't you answer my question? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #21
It's about not sharing info with the Mexican government at the time. WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #22
Spamdan and Miss IwishIwassmartpants! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #23
Oooh, yes, they're two of my all-time DU favs. WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #24
Thanks for doing the research on Danny boy. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #25
OMG, are you new to Spamdan? WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #26
Actually I remember this guy! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #29
Ok.. sheshe2 Oct 2015 #36
Ah, a fan appears. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #37
Baltimore Sun, Oct. 26: ucrdem Oct 2015 #31
LOL! An op ed? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #33
And he voted for it over the vocal objection of Loretta Sanchez. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #32
Yes, I'm well aware of this. This vote lead to the murder of American citizens, including lunamagica Oct 2015 #38
And yet you support this candidate?: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #44
This shit was hidden the first time it was posted in July neverforget Oct 2015 #41
Randy did you know that the banned troll who wrote that also posted this?: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #46
Minutemen=America's trash leftofcool Oct 2015 #47

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
1. I don't think this is going to help things....
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:40 PM
Oct 2015

I consider myself a counter puncher...I largely leave Sanders alone but I will go to the ramparts for Hillary.

George II

(67,782 posts)
5. Jury Results:
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:27 PM
Oct 2015

On Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:59 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Bernie Sanders and the Minuteman Militia
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251730317

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The article title on the page: ""Progressive Hero" Voted to Protect Racist Vigilante Border Thugs". Totally over the top.

Article comes from a well known spam site that runs by posting clickbait trash and misinformation. The owner of that site was banned from DU for spamming the board. This is exactly the kind of garbage makes DU suck.

This was hidden last time it was posted so let's hide it again. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251461135

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Oct 26, 2015, 06:15 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Do we have to go through this again?
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Bernie Sanders supporters need to stop alerting on fact based posts just because they do not like what they read about their preferred candidate. LEAVE IT ALONE but I am guessing there are enough Bernie posters that will, once again, try to hide truth.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Let's not try to censor people with whom we disagree, okay? Nothing to see here, move along.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If what's written in the OP is a lie,comment in the OP. This is no different than stuff written about other candidates here that is allowed to stand. I'm not going to show favoritism other one candidate and not another.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. I suppose Sanders had his reasons. But I can't see anyone supporting the Border Klan.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:43 PM
Oct 2015

Seriously, I'm sure there is some rationale.

sheshe2

(83,334 posts)
27. Hey you!
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:06 AM
Oct 2015

On Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:49 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

I suppose Sanders had his reasons. But I can't see anyone supporting the Border Klan.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=730534

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Seriously? What are Bernie Sanders' reasons for supporting the Border Klan? This place has gotten out of control.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:00 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Really Alerter? Is that what you pulled from that?
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This isn't even close to much of the stuff that's been posted and survived. It's not worthy of being hidden.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This place is out of control. On that we can agree. Sadly not for the same reasons. Leave Hoyt alone. They are spot on always. LEAVE!!!!
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think the alerter is misconstruing what the poster actually wrote.

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#4 here

SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
28. Jury Results:
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:06 AM
Oct 2015

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:49 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

I suppose Sanders had his reasons. But I can't see anyone supporting the Border Klan.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=730534

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Seriously? What are Bernie Sanders' reasons for supporting the Border Klan? This place has gotten out of control.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:00 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Really Alerter? Is that what you pulled from that?
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This isn't even close to much of the stuff that's been posted and survived. It's not worthy of being hidden. 
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This place is out of control. On that we can agree. Sadly not for the same reasons. Leave Hoyt alone. They are spot on always. LEAVE!!!!
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NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. Huge immigration debate in 2006.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:48 PM
Oct 2015

It's when Kennedy was fighting hard for a pathway to citizenship. Obama, Biden, Kennedy, Clinton and many other dens put up a strong fight, falling just short the next year.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
12. Spamdan of People's Spew...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:22 PM
Oct 2015

DU's been down this road before.

Bernie Sanders voted for the comprehensive immigration reform bill, S.744 - the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act, which passed the Senate on June 27, 2013.

Sanders voted against H.R.6095 - the Immigration Law Enforcement Act of 2006, which, among other things, sought to affirm "that state and local law enforcement personnel have the inherent authority to investigate, identify, arrest, detain, or transfer to federal custody aliens in the United States (including the transportation of such aliens across state lines to detention centers) for purposes of assisting in the enforcement of U.S. immigration laws in the course of carrying out routine duties."

Sanders voted against H.R.6061 - the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which required the Secretary of Homeland Security construct a fence along the U.S. - Mexico border "to prevent unlawful border entry and facilitate border access by U.S. Customs and Border Protection, such as additional checkpoints, all weather access roads, and vehicle barriers." It became law on October 26, 2006.

Sanders voted against H.R.4437 - the Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005, which, among other things, proposed directing "the Secretary of Homeland Security (Secretary) to take all appropriate actions to maintain operational control over the U.S. international land and maritime borders."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026607631


I need to dig deeper into what Spamdan is saying, but based on his history, he can't be trusted.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
42. That guy was banned from DU, I see they got it past a jury this time around.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:12 AM
Oct 2015

Disinfo from a banned troll is still disinfo from a banned troll.

Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows this is like the Republicans screaming "BENGHAZI!" at Hillary

And notice it's being pushed here by supporters of a candidate who voted for the Iraq war?

How many brown people died because of that?

And then there was this disturbing rant:




 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
13. It appears to be a meaningless vote. Can you show me any consequences?
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:02 AM
Oct 2015

I mean other than providing fodder for hacks?

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
14. Deadly drug cartels and a passive Mexican government?
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:21 AM
Oct 2015
...

Drug cartels in Mexico control approximately 70% of the foreign narcotics flow into the US.

....

Although violence between drug cartels had been occurring long before the war began, the government held a generally passive stance regarding cartel violence in the 1990s and early 2000s. That changed on December 11, 2006, when newly selected President Felipe Calderón sent 6,500 federal troops to the state of Michoacán to end drug violence there (Operation Michoacán). This action is regarded as the first major operation against organized crime, and is generally viewed as the starting point of the war between the government and the drug cartels.[197] As time progressed, Calderón continued to escalate his anti-drug campaign, in which there are now about 45,000 troops involved in addition to state and federal police forces. In 2010 Calderón said that the cartels seek "to replace the government" and "are trying to impose a monopoly by force of arms, and are even trying to impose their own laws."[198]

....

The U.S. Justice Department considers the Mexican drug cartels to be the "greatest organized crime threat to the United States."[316]

....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War


Perhaps Bernie and the Democrats who voted for the amendment didn't trust the Mexican government with said information at that time.

Spamdan doesn't sweat the details, does he?



beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
16. Where in this amendment does it reference a "racist vigilante border militia"? Tia!
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:35 AM
Oct 2015
The amendment states:

None of the funds made available by this Act may be used to provide a foreign government information relating to the activities of an organized volunteer civilian action group, operating in the State of California, Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona, unless required by international treaty.

Reference: Department of Homeland Security appropriations; Bill HR 5441 Amendment 968 ; vote number 2006-224 on Jun 6, 2006


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
19. So he didn't actually vote to support a "racist vigilante border militia".
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:40 AM
Oct 2015

Do you think that those funds should be used to provide a foreign government information relating to the activities of an organized volunteer civilian action group, operating in the State of California, Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona, unless required by international treaty?

If so, why?


WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
22. It's about not sharing info with the Mexican government at the time.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:48 AM
Oct 2015
H.Amdt.971 to H.R.5441

Description: H.Amdt. 971 — 109th Congress (2005-2006)

Page 62, after line 17, insert the following: ? SEC. 537. None of the funds made available by this Act may be used to provide a foreign government information relating to the activities of an organized volunteer civilian action group, as defined by DHS OIG-06- 4, operating in the State of California, Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona, unless required by international treaty.

Purpose:

An amendment regarding funding limitation on volunteer surveillance on the border.

House Amendment Code:

(A036)

https://www.congress.gov/amendment/109th-congress/house-amendment/971




If it's Spamdan, you *know* there's an agenda. Oh, and be sure to donate at his link.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
23. Spamdan and Miss IwishIwassmartpants!
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:51 AM
Oct 2015

Two liars made for each other!

We knew someone was going to drag this stinking flyblown carcass back here again.

I wonder who'll be beating it next?


WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
24. Oooh, yes, they're two of my all-time DU favs.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:55 AM
Oct 2015

I watched a German film yesterday where a severed horse's head was used to catch eels (blech), but damn, I think your imagery surpasses that!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
25. Thanks for doing the research on Danny boy.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:58 AM
Oct 2015

Now we know how to categorize anything else they post here by him.

"Not Good Enough, Bernie" pretty much finished Nancy on DU, hopefully this will be the nail in the coffin for Dan.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
26. OMG, are you new to Spamdan?
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:05 AM
Oct 2015

I gotta get to bed, but I'll try to remember to PM you a couple of choice links later in the week.




beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
29. Actually I remember this guy!
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:08 AM
Oct 2015

Last edited Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:15 AM - Edit history (1)

We mocked him mercilessly last time it was posted here!


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
37. Ah, a fan appears.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 03:28 AM
Oct 2015

Why not post the full image that was made by someone too stupid to know the difference between Communism and Democratic Socialism? It looks like something they created at freerepublic or the cave:





ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
31. Baltimore Sun, Oct. 26:
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:33 AM
Oct 2015


In 2006 he voted to not inform the government of Mexico as to the whereabouts of the Minuteman project, a group of non-governmental, citizen border patrol guards. And in 2007 he voted against a comprehensive immigration plan and work visas.

These votes have not only earned him bad standing among pro-immigration reform groups, but they have also earned him high ratings from conservative groups that support stronger borders and stronger limitations on immigration.


http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-sanders-20151026-story.html

to Cali_Democrat

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
33. LOL! An op ed?
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:42 AM
Oct 2015
And in 2007 he voted against a comprehensive immigration plan and work visas.


Bernie Sanders Tells Latinos He Backs Immigration Reform at NALEO

He has supported Obama's executive action programs and said again that he supports expanding Obama's executive action programs that would shield immigrants from deportation and allow them to work. He said that parents not legally in the U.S. and whose children also lack legal status should get similar protection from deportation.

"Until we finally pass comprehensive reform - and I'd very much like to see the House pick up where the Senate left off - we must continue pursuing policies that are humane and sensible and keep families together," Sanders said.

But he also qualified his support, saying it "concerns me very much" about businesses that are pushing for guest worker programs.

"As the Southern Poverty Law Program has documented, guest workers have been routinely cheated on wages, held virtually captive by employers who have seized their documents, forced to live in unspeakably inhumane conditions and denied medical benefits for on the job injuries. That is unacceptable," Sanders said.


earned him bad standing among pro-immigration reform groups, but they have also earned him high ratings from conservative groups that support stronger borders and stronger limitations on immigration.


Oh really?

Bernie says that we are a "nation of immigrants. That is, in fact, the strength of America." He believes the US must create an immigration system that invites greater innovation, diversity, and economic opportunity for both American-born citizens and the people who want to make this land their home. Bernie supports immigration reform that will address the legal status of the 11 million undocumented people in our country, protect American jobs by way of visa reform, secure the border, and protect undocumented workers from labor exploitation.

Border Security: We can and must secure borders without building a fence.
We ought to provide a path to citizenship for people from many different countries.

DREAM Act: Supports the path toward permanent residency for young, undocumented immigrants.

Visa Reform: Reject the exploitation of workers and the use of visas for cheap, foreign labor. Increase opportunities for qualified individuals to take steps towards permanent residency.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Immigration.htm



Offer path to citizenship; waive deportation for DREAMers

On immigration: Offer path to citizenship. Waive some deportations now.
Sanders generally agrees with President Obama that most of the undocumented immigrants in the country now should be given a path to citizenship. He voted for the senate immigration bill in 2013, which would have increased border security and issued a provisional immigrant status to millions of undocumented residents once some significant security metrics had been met. In addition, Sanders has supported President Obama's use of executive orders to waive deportation for some groups of immigrants, including those who were brought to the United States as children.

Source: PBS News Hour "2016 Candidate Stands" series , Apr 30, 2015

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Immigration.htm


English-Only, based in xenophobia, hurts legal immigrants

As in other countries with economic problems, xenophobia is intensifying. The issue for some can be summarized by the writing I recently saw on a t-shirt: "If you can't speak English, get the f--k out of the US."
The "English Only" bill mandates that all official communication by the federal government be in English. This means that members of Congress from a heavily Hispanic or Polish district, for instance, would be prohibited from communicating with their constituents in Spanish or Polish. Election, tax, and other information needed by millions of citizens would be available only in English. President Clinton indicates that he will veto this legislation, and the bill will not go anywhere--not even to the Senate. But it passes in the House by a vote of 259 to 169. 8 Republicans, 160 Democrats, and I vote against the bill.

Source: Outsider in the House, by Bernie Sanders, p.136 , Jun 17, 1997

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Immigration.htm


Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities".

CONGRESSIONAL SUMMARY: To create a reserve fund to ensure that Federal assistance does not go to sanctuary cities that ignore the immigration laws of the United States and create safe havens for illegal aliens and potential terrorists. This vote is a motion to table the amendment; voting YES would kill the amendment.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Immigration.htm


Voted NO on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment.

Vote to pass the bill that would require hospitals to gather and report information on possible illegal aliens before hospitals can be reimbursed for treating them. The bill would also make employers liable for the reimbursements if an undocumented employee seeks medical attention, unless the employer meets particular conditions for exemption. The bill would specify that hospitals aren't required to provide care to undocumented aliens if they can be transported to their home country without a significant chance of worsening their condition.
Reference: Undocumented Alien Emergency Medical Assistance Amendments; Bill HR 3722 ; vote number 2004-182 on May 20, 2004

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Immigration.htm



Rated 0% by FAIR, indicating a voting record loosening immigration.

Sanders scores 0% by FAIR on immigration issues

The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is a national, non-profit, public interest membership organization of concerned citizens united by their belief in the need for immigration reform. Founded in 1979, FAIR believes that the U.S. can and must have an immigration policy that is non-discriminatory and designed to serve the environmental, economic, and social needs of our country.

FAIR seeks to improve border security, to stop illegal immigration, and to promote immigration levels consistent with the national interest—more traditional rates of about 300,000 a year.
With more than 70,000 members nationwide, FAIR is a non-partisan group whose membership runs the gamut from liberal to conservative.
The ratings are based on the votes the organization considered most important; the numbers reflect the percentage of time the representative voted the organization's preferred position.

Source: FAIR website 03n-FAIR on Dec 31, 2003

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Immigration.htm




You're welcome!

SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
32. And he voted for it over the vocal objection of Loretta Sanchez.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:41 AM
Oct 2015

This 2006 amendment to the Homeland Security Appropriations bill reads:

“None of the funds made available by this Act may be used to provide a foreign government information relating to the activities of an organized volunteer civilian action group, operating in the State of California, Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona, unless required by international treaty.”


(I bolded for emphasis) The Congressional Record shows the Dems were livid. Dem rep. Loretta Sanchez from California demanded a recorded vote, not a mere anonymous voice vote. Here's the Congressional Record link to Sanchez' comments and that Amendment language
https://www.congress.gov/amendment/109th-congress/house-amendment/971

The language prohibited notifications of activity only in the states of California, Texas, New Mexico and Arizona - all states on the Mexican border. No such prohibition applied, of course, to groups operating in the border states of Alaska, Washington, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota, Michigan, New York, New Hampshire, Maine or Sen. Sanders' home state, Vermont. But then again, these militias are not trying to keep out white Canadians. They are only concerned with our brown southern neighbor, Mexico.

Republicans in Congress were protecting their base: the anti-immigrant racists and gun nuts, both of which were personified in the "Minuteman" groups, the members of which arm themselves and play illegitimate border patrol. But why did Bernie vote YES?
Thanks to Loretta Sanchez, here's the link to the recorded vote: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll224.xml

The amendment passed with 293 votes, including those of 69 Democrats. Some of those Democrats were too afraid to vote otherwise given Bush's victory in 2004, and others were too conservative. But none of them claims to be progressive. Except Bernie Sanders.

Thanks to this amendment that Sanders voted for, these vigilante border militia groups were legitimized and enabled. It allowed them go around openly talking about putting bullets between the eyes of Mexicans and Latin Americans along the border. Of course, this presented a threat to Latino Americans as well. One Minuteman militia group murdered two Latino American citizens, a father and his 9 year old daughter, in 2009 in their home. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Raul_and_Brisenia_Flores

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
38. Yes, I'm well aware of this. This vote lead to the murder of American citizens, including
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 03:41 AM
Oct 2015

a nine year-old girl.

His supporters like to say that the more people know about Sanders, the more they love him. But I doubt that finding this out will have Latinos flocking to his side.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
44. And yet you support this candidate?:
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:17 AM
Oct 2015




Hillary Clinton: Unaccompanied Minors 'Should Be Sent Back'

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Tuesday that unaccompanied minors who crossed the border illegally in a massive influx over recent months "should be sent back" to their native countries, but also that they should be reunited with their families -- which sometimes requires them to stay in the United States.

"They should be sent back as soon as it can be determined who responsible adults in their families are, because there are concerns about whether all of them should be sent back," the potential 2016 presidential candidate said in an interview with CNN's Christiane Amanpour. "But I think all of them who can be should be reunited with their families."

Clinton's answer mirrored the Obama administration's tough position on how to deal with unaccompanied minors, who are entering the country through the U.S.-Mexico border in Texas at rates some have called a "humanitarian crisis." Those minors are put into deportation proceedings by the Department of Homeland Security, but then are transferred to the Department of Health and Human Services. That department looks for family members in the United States who can care for the children, although that does not mean they won't be deported later.

But faced with reports of misperceptions in Central America that minors have a free pass to stay if they make it to the United States, the administration is playing damage control, repeatedly urging parents not to send their children. Clinton made the same point.

"We have to send a clear message, just because your child gets across the border, that doesn't mean the child gets to stay," she said. "So, we don't want to send a message that is contrary to our laws or will encourage more children to make that dangerous journey."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/18/hillary-clinton-immigration_n_5507630.html

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