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Related: About this forumBernie Sanders and the Minuteman Militia
Recently, he went on the Plane Still Missing Network... err, I mean CNN, to proclaim the goodness of 99.9% of gun owners in America. One might be compelled to ask the question as to how Sen. Sanders arrived at this statistic, given that over 60% of sellers on the Internet and gun shows have indicated their willingness to sell guns to someone who cannot pass a background check.
Given all of this, why the populations affected most adversely by gun violence have a pause on the Senator who is so callously pro-gun is indeed puzzling...
Turns out, though, that it gets worse. Bernie Sanders isn't content to pull out pro-gun statistics from the hat, he is on the record supporting the vigilante and racist border militia group 'The Minuteman Project'.
In 2006, realizing that a Democratic takeover is in the writing on the wall, the then-Republican majority in Congress hobbled together to write into law protections for the anti-immigrant, racist vigilante group. Even though the militia group is involved in unsanctioned, armed activity along the Mexican-American border, the Republicans barred the US government from notifying the Mexican authorities about potential dangers to their citizens living or traveling near the US-Mexico border.
The amendment to the Homeland Security Appropriations bill read such (link to text in Congressional record):
None of the funds made available by this Act may be used to provide a foreign government information relating to the activities of an organized volunteer civilian action group, operating in the State of California, Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona, unless required by international treaty.
Note the bolded part again. The language prohibited notifications of activity only in the states of California, Texas, New Mexico and Arizona - all states on the Mexican border. No such prohibition applied, of course, to groups operating in the border states of Alaska, Washington, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota, Michigan, New York, New Hampshire, Maine or Sen. Sanders' home state, Vermont. You get three guesses as to the reason why, but it bears mentioning that these latter border states share a border with our white neighbor to the north, Canada, not with our brown southern neighbor, Mexico.
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2015/7/17/gun-loving-progressive-hero-bernie-sanders-voted-to-protect-racist-vigilante-border-militia
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,705 posts)I consider myself a counter puncher...I largely leave Sanders alone but I will go to the ramparts for Hillary.
jfern
(5,204 posts)and how does this protect them?
RandySF
(57,632 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)On Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:59 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Bernie Sanders and the Minuteman Militia
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251730317
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The article title on the page: ""Progressive Hero" Voted to Protect Racist Vigilante Border Thugs". Totally over the top.
Article comes from a well known spam site that runs by posting clickbait trash and misinformation. The owner of that site was banned from DU for spamming the board. This is exactly the kind of garbage makes DU suck.
This was hidden last time it was posted so let's hide it again. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251461135
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JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Seriously, I'm sure there is some rationale.
RandySF
(57,632 posts)On Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:49 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
I suppose Sanders had his reasons. But I can't see anyone supporting the Border Klan.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=730534
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Seriously? What are Bernie Sanders' reasons for supporting the Border Klan? This place has gotten out of control.
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)SunSeeker
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I suppose Sanders had his reasons. But I can't see anyone supporting the Border Klan.
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Seriously? What are Bernie Sanders' reasons for supporting the Border Klan? This place has gotten out of control.
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SunSeeker
(51,367 posts)neverforget
(9,433 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It's when Kennedy was fighting hard for a pathway to citizenship. Obama, Biden, Kennedy, Clinton and many other dens put up a strong fight, falling just short the next year.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)DU's been down this road before.
Sanders voted against H.R.6095 - the Immigration Law Enforcement Act of 2006, which, among other things, sought to affirm "that state and local law enforcement personnel have the inherent authority to investigate, identify, arrest, detain, or transfer to federal custody aliens in the United States (including the transportation of such aliens across state lines to detention centers) for purposes of assisting in the enforcement of U.S. immigration laws in the course of carrying out routine duties."
Sanders voted against H.R.6061 - the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which required the Secretary of Homeland Security construct a fence along the U.S. - Mexico border "to prevent unlawful border entry and facilitate border access by U.S. Customs and Border Protection, such as additional checkpoints, all weather access roads, and vehicle barriers." It became law on October 26, 2006.
Sanders voted against H.R.4437 - the Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005, which, among other things, proposed directing "the Secretary of Homeland Security (Secretary) to take all appropriate actions to maintain operational control over the U.S. international land and maritime borders."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026607631
I need to dig deeper into what Spamdan is saying, but based on his history, he can't be trusted.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Remember her:?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026737025
That tells you everything you need to know.
neverforget
(9,433 posts)And this shit was posted back in July by sheshe2 in July but it was hidden then
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251461135
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Disinfo from a banned troll is still disinfo from a banned troll.
Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows this is like the Republicans screaming "BENGHAZI!" at Hillary
And notice it's being pushed here by supporters of a candidate who voted for the Iraq war?
How many brown people died because of that?
And then there was this disturbing rant:
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)RandySF
(57,632 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)I mean other than providing fodder for hacks?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Drug cartels in Mexico control approximately 70% of the foreign narcotics flow into the US.
....
Although violence between drug cartels had been occurring long before the war began, the government held a generally passive stance regarding cartel violence in the 1990s and early 2000s. That changed on December 11, 2006, when newly selected President Felipe Calderón sent 6,500 federal troops to the state of Michoacán to end drug violence there (Operation Michoacán). This action is regarded as the first major operation against organized crime, and is generally viewed as the starting point of the war between the government and the drug cartels.[197] As time progressed, Calderón continued to escalate his anti-drug campaign, in which there are now about 45,000 troops involved in addition to state and federal police forces. In 2010 Calderón said that the cartels seek "to replace the government" and "are trying to impose a monopoly by force of arms, and are even trying to impose their own laws."[198]
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The U.S. Justice Department considers the Mexican drug cartels to be the "greatest organized crime threat to the United States."[316]
....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War
Perhaps Bernie and the Democrats who voted for the amendment didn't trust the Mexican government with said information at that time.
Spamdan doesn't sweat the details, does he?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)None of the funds made available by this Act may be used to provide a foreign government information relating to the activities of an organized volunteer civilian action group, operating in the State of California, Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona, unless required by international treaty.
Reference: Department of Homeland Security appropriations; Bill HR 5441 Amendment 968 ; vote number 2006-224 on Jun 6, 2006
RandySF
(57,632 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Do you think that those funds should be used to provide a foreign government information relating to the activities of an organized volunteer civilian action group, operating in the State of California, Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona, unless required by international treaty?
If so, why?
RandySF
(57,632 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Description: H.Amdt. 971 109th Congress (2005-2006)
Page 62, after line 17, insert the following: ? SEC. 537. None of the funds made available by this Act may be used to provide a foreign government information relating to the activities of an organized volunteer civilian action group, as defined by DHS OIG-06- 4, operating in the State of California, Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona, unless required by international treaty.
Purpose:
An amendment regarding funding limitation on volunteer surveillance on the border.
House Amendment Code:
(A036)
https://www.congress.gov/amendment/109th-congress/house-amendment/971
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll224.xml
If it's Spamdan, you *know* there's an agenda. Oh, and be sure to donate at his link.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Two liars made for each other!
We knew someone was going to drag this stinking flyblown carcass back here again.
I wonder who'll be beating it next?
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I watched a German film yesterday where a severed horse's head was used to catch eels (blech), but damn, I think your imagery surpasses that!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Now we know how to categorize anything else they post here by him.
"Not Good Enough, Bernie" pretty much finished Nancy on DU, hopefully this will be the nail in the coffin for Dan.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I gotta get to bed, but I'll try to remember to PM you a couple of choice links later in the week.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:15 AM - Edit history (1)
We mocked him mercilessly last time it was posted here!
sheshe2
(83,334 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Why not post the full image that was made by someone too stupid to know the difference between Communism and Democratic Socialism? It looks like something they created at freerepublic or the cave:
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)In 2006 he voted to not inform the government of Mexico as to the whereabouts of the Minuteman project, a group of non-governmental, citizen border patrol guards. And in 2007 he voted against a comprehensive immigration plan and work visas.
These votes have not only earned him bad standing among pro-immigration reform groups, but they have also earned him high ratings from conservative groups that support stronger borders and stronger limitations on immigration.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-sanders-20151026-story.html
to Cali_Democrat
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)He has supported Obama's executive action programs and said again that he supports expanding Obama's executive action programs that would shield immigrants from deportation and allow them to work. He said that parents not legally in the U.S. and whose children also lack legal status should get similar protection from deportation.
"Until we finally pass comprehensive reform - and I'd very much like to see the House pick up where the Senate left off - we must continue pursuing policies that are humane and sensible and keep families together," Sanders said.
But he also qualified his support, saying it "concerns me very much" about businesses that are pushing for guest worker programs.
"As the Southern Poverty Law Program has documented, guest workers have been routinely cheated on wages, held virtually captive by employers who have seized their documents, forced to live in unspeakably inhumane conditions and denied medical benefits for on the job injuries. That is unacceptable," Sanders said.
Oh really?
Border Security: We can and must secure borders without building a fence.
We ought to provide a path to citizenship for people from many different countries.
DREAM Act: Supports the path toward permanent residency for young, undocumented immigrants.
Visa Reform: Reject the exploitation of workers and the use of visas for cheap, foreign labor. Increase opportunities for qualified individuals to take steps towards permanent residency.
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Immigration.htm
On immigration: Offer path to citizenship. Waive some deportations now.
Sanders generally agrees with President Obama that most of the undocumented immigrants in the country now should be given a path to citizenship. He voted for the senate immigration bill in 2013, which would have increased border security and issued a provisional immigrant status to millions of undocumented residents once some significant security metrics had been met. In addition, Sanders has supported President Obama's use of executive orders to waive deportation for some groups of immigrants, including those who were brought to the United States as children.
Source: PBS News Hour "2016 Candidate Stands" series , Apr 30, 2015
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Immigration.htm
As in other countries with economic problems, xenophobia is intensifying. The issue for some can be summarized by the writing I recently saw on a t-shirt: "If you can't speak English, get the f--k out of the US."
The "English Only" bill mandates that all official communication by the federal government be in English. This means that members of Congress from a heavily Hispanic or Polish district, for instance, would be prohibited from communicating with their constituents in Spanish or Polish. Election, tax, and other information needed by millions of citizens would be available only in English. President Clinton indicates that he will veto this legislation, and the bill will not go anywhere--not even to the Senate. But it passes in the House by a vote of 259 to 169. 8 Republicans, 160 Democrats, and I vote against the bill.
Source: Outsider in the House, by Bernie Sanders, p.136 , Jun 17, 1997
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Immigration.htm
CONGRESSIONAL SUMMARY: To create a reserve fund to ensure that Federal assistance does not go to sanctuary cities that ignore the immigration laws of the United States and create safe havens for illegal aliens and potential terrorists. This vote is a motion to table the amendment; voting YES would kill the amendment.
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Immigration.htm
Vote to pass the bill that would require hospitals to gather and report information on possible illegal aliens before hospitals can be reimbursed for treating them. The bill would also make employers liable for the reimbursements if an undocumented employee seeks medical attention, unless the employer meets particular conditions for exemption. The bill would specify that hospitals aren't required to provide care to undocumented aliens if they can be transported to their home country without a significant chance of worsening their condition.
Reference: Undocumented Alien Emergency Medical Assistance Amendments; Bill HR 3722 ; vote number 2004-182 on May 20, 2004
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Immigration.htm
Sanders scores 0% by FAIR on immigration issues
The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is a national, non-profit, public interest membership organization of concerned citizens united by their belief in the need for immigration reform. Founded in 1979, FAIR believes that the U.S. can and must have an immigration policy that is non-discriminatory and designed to serve the environmental, economic, and social needs of our country.
FAIR seeks to improve border security, to stop illegal immigration, and to promote immigration levels consistent with the national interestmore traditional rates of about 300,000 a year.
With more than 70,000 members nationwide, FAIR is a non-partisan group whose membership runs the gamut from liberal to conservative.
The ratings are based on the votes the organization considered most important; the numbers reflect the percentage of time the representative voted the organization's preferred position.
Source: FAIR website 03n-FAIR on Dec 31, 2003
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Immigration.htm
You're welcome!
SunSeeker
(51,367 posts)This 2006 amendment to the Homeland Security Appropriations bill reads:
(I bolded for emphasis) The Congressional Record shows the Dems were livid. Dem rep. Loretta Sanchez from California demanded a recorded vote, not a mere anonymous voice vote. Here's the Congressional Record link to Sanchez' comments and that Amendment language
https://www.congress.gov/amendment/109th-congress/house-amendment/971
The language prohibited notifications of activity only in the states of California, Texas, New Mexico and Arizona - all states on the Mexican border. No such prohibition applied, of course, to groups operating in the border states of Alaska, Washington, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota, Michigan, New York, New Hampshire, Maine or Sen. Sanders' home state, Vermont. But then again, these militias are not trying to keep out white Canadians. They are only concerned with our brown southern neighbor, Mexico.
Republicans in Congress were protecting their base: the anti-immigrant racists and gun nuts, both of which were personified in the "Minuteman" groups, the members of which arm themselves and play illegitimate border patrol. But why did Bernie vote YES?
Thanks to Loretta Sanchez, here's the link to the recorded vote: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll224.xml
The amendment passed with 293 votes, including those of 69 Democrats. Some of those Democrats were too afraid to vote otherwise given Bush's victory in 2004, and others were too conservative. But none of them claims to be progressive. Except Bernie Sanders.
Thanks to this amendment that Sanders voted for, these vigilante border militia groups were legitimized and enabled. It allowed them go around openly talking about putting bullets between the eyes of Mexicans and Latin Americans along the border. Of course, this presented a threat to Latino Americans as well. One Minuteman militia group murdered two Latino American citizens, a father and his 9 year old daughter, in 2009 in their home. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Raul_and_Brisenia_Flores
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)a nine year-old girl.
His supporters like to say that the more people know about Sanders, the more they love him. But I doubt that finding this out will have Latinos flocking to his side.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Tuesday that unaccompanied minors who crossed the border illegally in a massive influx over recent months "should be sent back" to their native countries, but also that they should be reunited with their families -- which sometimes requires them to stay in the United States.
"They should be sent back as soon as it can be determined who responsible adults in their families are, because there are concerns about whether all of them should be sent back," the potential 2016 presidential candidate said in an interview with CNN's Christiane Amanpour. "But I think all of them who can be should be reunited with their families."
Clinton's answer mirrored the Obama administration's tough position on how to deal with unaccompanied minors, who are entering the country through the U.S.-Mexico border in Texas at rates some have called a "humanitarian crisis." Those minors are put into deportation proceedings by the Department of Homeland Security, but then are transferred to the Department of Health and Human Services. That department looks for family members in the United States who can care for the children, although that does not mean they won't be deported later.
But faced with reports of misperceptions in Central America that minors have a free pass to stay if they make it to the United States, the administration is playing damage control, repeatedly urging parents not to send their children. Clinton made the same point.
"We have to send a clear message, just because your child gets across the border, that doesn't mean the child gets to stay," she said. "So, we don't want to send a message that is contrary to our laws or will encourage more children to make that dangerous journey."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/18/hillary-clinton-immigration_n_5507630.html
neverforget
(9,433 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Disgusting.
That's not the kind of person you want to cite on DU.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Isn't this the same trashy group of thugs that the Donald supports?