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Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:31 PM Oct 2015

Black Lives Matter Rejects DNC Town Hall Offer, Calls for Debate



The Black Lives Matter network has rejected the Democratic National Committee’s offer of a town hall meeting with presidential candidates, saying they want a formal debate. About 25,000 people have signed a petition calling on the DNC to allow more debates ahead of the election, including one dedicated to the theme of Black Lives Matter.


http://www.democracynow.org/2015/10/26/headlines/black_lives_matter_rejects_dnc_town_hall_offer_calls_for_debate

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Black Lives Matter Rejects DNC Town Hall Offer, Calls for Debate (Original Post) Warren Stupidity Oct 2015 OP
Should be interesting to see the reaction to this story here on DU tularetom Oct 2015 #1
I've noticed, already, that Bernie fans are on board. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #13
Jury results Flying Squirrel Oct 2015 #30
Alerted for Dr. Seussing. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #31
LMFAO berni_mccoy Oct 2015 #47
WTF is with all of the alerts? JRLeft Oct 2015 #34
It's called "rushing out to get your feelings hurt" Flying Squirrel Oct 2015 #36
I'm tired of it, the alerts are out of control. JRLeft Oct 2015 #38
Someone posted an excellent quote today from the Brothers Karamazov about people who love sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #40
!! nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #42
Swarming hoards of Berniebros.. frylock Oct 2015 #64
If only our full support can make a difference. Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #23
Good luck with DWS ibegurpard Oct 2015 #2
DWS: Little puffs of smoke coming out her ears cprise Oct 2015 #35
Hard to imagine her giving the prerequisite fucks to be mad. TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #49
Good... daleanime Oct 2015 #3
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #4
You are the nicest person on here, Uncle Joe. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #32
Thank you for the kind words, Fawke Em. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #33
Good. That's the perfect response. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #5
Yes this is needed. Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #6
you know, if dws had not effed up these debates to rig the nom, restorefreedom Oct 2015 #7
Some big environmental group is calling for a climate change debate as well. askew Oct 2015 #10
How stupid of him, but, eh... I'm used to it. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #15
some themed debates, in depth would be so helpful for the undecided restorefreedom Oct 2015 #41
I'm okay with that. A note though, Campaign Zero has been negotiating with all Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #8
Campaign Zero, then, are obvious sellouts to DWS and the DNC jberryhill Oct 2015 #9
That is just plain rude. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #11
It's rude to agree with BLM (as most in this thread)? jberryhill Oct 2015 #16
I agree with them both. To cast aspersion of one over the other is just plain Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #18
You agree with both? Ah, then a town-hall-debate it is! jberryhill Oct 2015 #19
Campaign Zero would like a Town Hall that includes Dem, Rep, and Indy Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #21
both would be preferable virtualobserver Oct 2015 #28
Good for them! Bravo! Fawke Em Oct 2015 #12
I'd love to see that. RichVRichV Oct 2015 #14
^ This, I would like to see NCLR get a debate too. JRLeft Oct 2015 #51
I'd most definitely watch. It's a very important subject. lovemydog Oct 2015 #17
We all know which candidate doesn't want more debates jfern Oct 2015 #20
Debates are good. Wasn't it campaign Zero who wants town halls with candidate across the spectrum? Autumn Oct 2015 #22
A nationally televised democratic debate on Black Lives Matter would help shine the light.. aidbo Oct 2015 #24
Is the only difference between a "Debate" and a "Town Hall" Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #25
Yep jberryhill Oct 2015 #50
I don't get why BLM doesn't prefer having the questions Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #55
My guess Capt. Obvious Oct 2015 #58
One of Bill Clinton's debates with George H.W. Bush Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #60
Love the idea npk Oct 2015 #26
I think that BLM activists should ask the questions virtualobserver Oct 2015 #27
This is a good thing. Especially the BLM debate. PatrickforO Oct 2015 #29
Great idea AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #37
I'm glad DNC has played lip service to us black people forever. JRLeft Oct 2015 #39
where are all the hillary supporters? restorefreedom Oct 2015 #43
Do you really need to make this into yet another S vs. C issue? randome Oct 2015 #52
i am not making it an issue restorefreedom Oct 2015 #53
Okay, then, sorry if I came across as...um, vitrolic? Sure, that works. randome Oct 2015 #56
i think we are a loooong way from "sewn up" restorefreedom Oct 2015 #57
I totally agree with BLM on this. Armstead Oct 2015 #44
Good for BLM Vattel Oct 2015 #45
Good for them! in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #46
This sudden solidarity with blm Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #48
A lot of people have disagreed over some of the tactics of BLM. RichVRichV Oct 2015 #59
DNC hasn't done shit for black people in decades. JRLeft Oct 2015 #54
and i doubt they are going to start now. sanders and omalley are probably going to have to elana i am Oct 2015 #61
Black people who speak are always labeled as terrorists. JRLeft Oct 2015 #62
They're surely NOT going to start now, elleng Oct 2015 #63
 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
30. Jury results
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:18 AM
Oct 2015

(I was Juror 2)


ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling anyone a shill is calling them an accomplice to a swindler. It is unacceptable to call our Democratic front runner and her supporters by this term.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:16 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: That's only one definition of shill.

From dictionary.com:

2. a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.

So, in reality, there are shills for both Hillary and Bernie on this site.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Toughen up boys and girls - nobody is calling Hillary a shill. As for her supporters, just remember - all stereotypes are true some of the time (and none are true all of the time). Alerter may not fit the descriptor but it's absurd to assume nobody fits the description.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Tit for tat. The term, "shill," is expected and fair game during the overly heated primary season here on DU. I'm a huge Hillary fan. The term, shill, doesn't bother me in the least.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I'm tired of the stuff I read in GDP. Too little respect for one another.

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
36. It's called "rushing out to get your feelings hurt"
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:53 AM
Oct 2015

Kinda like when Hillary says Bernie Sanders is being sexist for using the word "shouting".

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
40. Someone posted an excellent quote today from the Brothers Karamazov about people who love
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:23 AM
Oct 2015

being victims. Very interesting quote.

I absolutely HATE the idea of women being painted as victims. We are not. Especially very wealthy, powerful, elite, privileged women who are asking for the most powerful job in this country. They don't HAVE to be in politics, but if they choose to be, whining about 'being shouted at because I'm a woman' is simply laughable.

It is an insult to strong women everywhere.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
6. Yes this is needed.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:50 PM
Oct 2015

We should have one whole debate for this, one whole debate for environmental and climate change.

I can't imagine that these issues are not important enough to warrant 2 hours of conversation from people seeking the highest office.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
7. you know, if dws had not effed up these debates to rig the nom,
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:55 PM
Oct 2015

we could have had a wonderful series of themed debates, blm, economy, foreign policy, environment, health etc

what a shame

askew

(1,464 posts)
10. Some big environmental group is calling for a climate change debate as well.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:13 PM
Oct 2015

DeBlasio was supposed to be setting up a debate in Iowa too but with his endorsement of Hillary coming I'd guess that is out.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
41. some themed debates, in depth would be so helpful for the undecided
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:09 AM
Oct 2015

but since the undecided are very likely to hear good things from Bernie and O'Malley that might get them more support, we know the dnc bullies and their minions will not let that happen.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
8. I'm okay with that. A note though, Campaign Zero has been negotiating with all
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:56 PM
Oct 2015

the candidates from both parties to participate in a town hall.

I hope that this demand from Black Lives Matter doesn't squeeze out an opportunity for a Town Hall, which, as being negotiated is driven by questions from the audience. Not moderators.

Both organizations are great. Black Lives Matter is more action oriented and Campaign Zero are also boots on the ground activists but also policy wonks. They are the ones who have actually met with Sanders and Clinton to pin them down AND shape specific policy.

http://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision

I really encourage everyone to click on the link and read through everything. The website is elegantly done and pathways to addressing Black Lives Matter on local, state, and federal levels are solidly thought out.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
16. It's rude to agree with BLM (as most in this thread)?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:25 PM
Oct 2015

Obviously, the issue is too important to be left to ordinary people in an audience, because the questions must be propounded by professional journalists making seven figure salaries.

In what substantive way, in terms of candidate responses, the two formats would produce different results is an utter mystery to me.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
21. Campaign Zero would like a Town Hall that includes Dem, Rep, and Indy
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:36 PM
Oct 2015

candidates alike. And the questions would come from the audience. Not a mediator.

You have a problem with that?

Black Lives Matter wants a formal debate. I have no problem with that and would like to see both happen.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
14. I'd love to see that.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:23 PM
Oct 2015

A whole debate devoted to grilling all the remaining candidates on how they're going to help minorities would be a great thing. It would force them to answer the tough questions front and center, not push it off to the back burners.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
17. I'd most definitely watch. It's a very important subject.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:28 PM
Oct 2015

I'd like to see the candidates go on the record with their specific proposals for stopping the murder of unarmed black people, reducing our prison population, ending the war on drugs, radical reform of the criminal justice system.

I'd also like to see another town hall.

I want more debates.

It gives us more opportunity to really see up close the people who are seeking the nation's highest office.

Autumn

(45,064 posts)
22. Debates are good. Wasn't it campaign Zero who wants town halls with candidate across the spectrum?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:49 PM
Oct 2015

I like that too. Rec.

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
24. A nationally televised democratic debate on Black Lives Matter would help shine the light..
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:57 PM
Oct 2015

..on this most important issue. And BLM have the all the right in the world to call for this.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
25. Is the only difference between a "Debate" and a "Town Hall"
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:03 AM
Oct 2015

...that Debate questions are from reporters and Town Hall questions are from the audience?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
50. Yep
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:32 AM
Oct 2015

We don't have actual debates. They are more like joint press conferences.

The argument here seems to be one of semantics.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
58. My guess
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:54 PM
Oct 2015

the prestige allotted to debates. They get prime time slots and get viewed by millions and dissected by scores.

The general public isn't going to try to find C-SPAN 3 to locate a Town Hall.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
60. One of Bill Clinton's debates with George H.W. Bush
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:55 PM
Oct 2015

...was in the townhall format.

They can get famous reporters to moderate and to do segments before the audience asks questions.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
29. This is a good thing. Especially the BLM debate.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:10 AM
Oct 2015

It will elevate the issue of racism because we've been going the wrong way for a long time. And kudos to BLM - the only thing these oligarchs fear is numbers and 25,000 is quite a few people. Hopefully it is enough to spur Debbie Wasserman Schultz into action. She's sandbagged the debates long enough.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
39. I'm glad DNC has played lip service to us black people forever.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:01 AM
Oct 2015

They've taken our votes for granted for decades.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
43. where are all the hillary supporters?
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:17 AM
Oct 2015

i mean, if hillary is so fantastic with issues of blm and poc, then why aren't her supporters here clamoring for another opportunity for her to "shine" as she supposedly did during the debate? if her positions on issues important to poc are so great, wouldn't she and her supporters WANT another debate?

I suppose if she had actually won the first one, instead of just having been declared the winner by the corporate media, perhaps she would want another debate.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
52. Do you really need to make this into yet another S vs. C issue?
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 09:59 AM
Oct 2015

It's about BLM vs. DNC. And it seems to me to be a good negotiating tactic on the part of BLM. I mean, is the DNC going to say they don't need the support of black activists? BLM may have them over a barrel.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
53. i am not making it an issue
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:03 AM
Oct 2015

I happened to read the thread where someone brought up an important topic, which is having a Blm debate. In a thread that is getting increasingly long, almost all of the people are who are supporting this debate are supporters of Bernie. It's a natural question arising from an observation.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
56. Okay, then, sorry if I came across as...um, vitrolic? Sure, that works.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:14 AM
Oct 2015
DNC at this point should be bending over backward for BLM. And I say that as a supporter of neither candidate but one who likes them both and acknowledges that Clinton looks to have the election sewn up.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
57. i think we are a loooong way from "sewn up"
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:36 PM
Oct 2015

but it would be nice to see a series of subject debates where the candidates can get in depth on the issues imo


the voters could learn a lot from such a series

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
44. I totally agree with BLM on this.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:25 AM
Oct 2015

I can't understand why the DNC would hold a Town Hall but not an actual debate. If the candidates all have to be there and be prepared anyway, there is little logistical difference between structuring it as a "debate" or individual appearances.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
46. Good for them!
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:42 AM
Oct 2015

I hope they insist on format, how it's conducted and ALL QUESTIONS that THEY want to ask.

They shouldn't let DWS call the shots.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
59. A lot of people have disagreed over some of the tactics of BLM.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:52 PM
Oct 2015

But that's far from not caring about the plight of minorities. Virtually all Democrats are in agreement that it is a very important subject.

elana i am

(814 posts)
61. and i doubt they are going to start now. sanders and omalley are probably going to have to
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:05 PM
Oct 2015

push for this really hard right now to make it happen because BLM is gaining a reputation as a militant black terrorist organization among the right wing racists and some in the law enforcement realm. i do regular searches of #blacklivesmatter on twitter, and it is not pretty.

i doubt the DNC DINO asshats want to get anywhere near any kind of potentially controversial issues with their "precious".

elleng

(130,876 posts)
63. They're surely NOT going to start now,
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:11 PM
Oct 2015

Sanders and O'Malley HAVE been pushing for it, and NADA!

We NEED forums, like it or not, and too bad this one's being Xed out. DAMN!

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