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Related: About this forumBlack Lives Matter Rejects DNC Town Hall Offer, Calls for Debate
The Black Lives Matter network has rejected the Democratic National Committees offer of a town hall meeting with presidential candidates, saying they want a formal debate. About 25,000 people have signed a petition calling on the DNC to allow more debates ahead of the election, including one dedicated to the theme of Black Lives Matter.
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/10/26/headlines/black_lives_matter_rejects_dnc_town_hall_offer_calls_for_debate
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Where are Hill's shills?
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)(I was Juror 2)
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Calling anyone a shill is calling them an accomplice to a swindler. It is unacceptable to call our Democratic front runner and her supporters by this term.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:16 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: That's only one definition of shill.
From dictionary.com:
2. a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.
So, in reality, there are shills for both Hillary and Bernie on this site.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Toughen up boys and girls - nobody is calling Hillary a shill. As for her supporters, just remember - all stereotypes are true some of the time (and none are true all of the time). Alerter may not fit the descriptor but it's absurd to assume nobody fits the description.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Tit for tat. The term, "shill," is expected and fair game during the overly heated primary season here on DU. I'm a huge Hillary fan. The term, shill, doesn't bother me in the least.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I'm tired of the stuff I read in GDP. Too little respect for one another.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Green eggs and ham have been replaced by alert and Spam.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)I think the person who alerted confused shill with shrill... LMFAO
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)Kinda like when Hillary says Bernie Sanders is being sexist for using the word "shouting".
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)being victims. Very interesting quote.
I absolutely HATE the idea of women being painted as victims. We are not. Especially very wealthy, powerful, elite, privileged women who are asking for the most powerful job in this country. They don't HAVE to be in politics, but if they choose to be, whining about 'being shouted at because I'm a woman' is simply laughable.
It is an insult to strong women everywhere.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)or so I've read.
Baitball Blogger
(46,702 posts)If they want to start a petition, let us know.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)cprise
(8,445 posts)when she found out about this!
TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)Thanks for the thread, Warren Stupidity.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)We should have one whole debate for this, one whole debate for environmental and climate change.
I can't imagine that these issues are not important enough to warrant 2 hours of conversation from people seeking the highest office.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)we could have had a wonderful series of themed debates, blm, economy, foreign policy, environment, health etc
what a shame
askew
(1,464 posts)DeBlasio was supposed to be setting up a debate in Iowa too but with his endorsement of Hillary coming I'd guess that is out.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)but since the undecided are very likely to hear good things from Bernie and O'Malley that might get them more support, we know the dnc bullies and their minions will not let that happen.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)the candidates from both parties to participate in a town hall.
I hope that this demand from Black Lives Matter doesn't squeeze out an opportunity for a Town Hall, which, as being negotiated is driven by questions from the audience. Not moderators.
Both organizations are great. Black Lives Matter is more action oriented and Campaign Zero are also boots on the ground activists but also policy wonks. They are the ones who have actually met with Sanders and Clinton to pin them down AND shape specific policy.
http://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision
I really encourage everyone to click on the link and read through everything. The website is elegantly done and pathways to addressing Black Lives Matter on local, state, and federal levels are solidly thought out.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...if I understand what I read.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Obviously, the issue is too important to be left to ordinary people in an audience, because the questions must be propounded by professional journalists making seven figure salaries.
In what substantive way, in terms of candidate responses, the two formats would produce different results is an utter mystery to me.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)rude.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)candidates alike. And the questions would come from the audience. Not a mediator.
You have a problem with that?
Black Lives Matter wants a formal debate. I have no problem with that and would like to see both happen.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)I like Campaign Zero's idea as well, but no Republican would ever go for it.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)RichVRichV
(885 posts)A whole debate devoted to grilling all the remaining candidates on how they're going to help minorities would be a great thing. It would force them to answer the tough questions front and center, not push it off to the back burners.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)I'd like to see the candidates go on the record with their specific proposals for stopping the murder of unarmed black people, reducing our prison population, ending the war on drugs, radical reform of the criminal justice system.
I'd also like to see another town hall.
I want more debates.
It gives us more opportunity to really see up close the people who are seeking the nation's highest office.
jfern
(5,204 posts)Autumn
(45,064 posts)I like that too. Rec.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)..on this most important issue. And BLM have the all the right in the world to call for this.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...that Debate questions are from reporters and Town Hall questions are from the audience?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)We don't have actual debates. They are more like joint press conferences.
The argument here seems to be one of semantics.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...come from ordinary citizens.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)the prestige allotted to debates. They get prime time slots and get viewed by millions and dissected by scores.
The general public isn't going to try to find C-SPAN 3 to locate a Town Hall.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...was in the townhall format.
They can get famous reporters to moderate and to do segments before the audience asks questions.
npk
(3,660 posts)But I fear lots of push back from DNC.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)the MSM just do "gotcha" questions.
PatrickforO
(14,570 posts)It will elevate the issue of racism because we've been going the wrong way for a long time. And kudos to BLM - the only thing these oligarchs fear is numbers and 25,000 is quite a few people. Hopefully it is enough to spur Debbie Wasserman Schultz into action. She's sandbagged the debates long enough.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Don't ya think so Hillary supporters?
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)They've taken our votes for granted for decades.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)i mean, if hillary is so fantastic with issues of blm and poc, then why aren't her supporters here clamoring for another opportunity for her to "shine" as she supposedly did during the debate? if her positions on issues important to poc are so great, wouldn't she and her supporters WANT another debate?
I suppose if she had actually won the first one, instead of just having been declared the winner by the corporate media, perhaps she would want another debate.
randome
(34,845 posts)It's about BLM vs. DNC. And it seems to me to be a good negotiating tactic on the part of BLM. I mean, is the DNC going to say they don't need the support of black activists? BLM may have them over a barrel.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)I happened to read the thread where someone brought up an important topic, which is having a Blm debate. In a thread that is getting increasingly long, almost all of the people are who are supporting this debate are supporters of Bernie. It's a natural question arising from an observation.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)but it would be nice to see a series of subject debates where the candidates can get in depth on the issues imo
the voters could learn a lot from such a series
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I can't understand why the DNC would hold a Town Hall but not an actual debate. If the candidates all have to be there and be prepared anyway, there is little logistical difference between structuring it as a "debate" or individual appearances.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)I hope they insist on format, how it's conducted and ALL QUESTIONS that THEY want to ask.
They shouldn't let DWS call the shots.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)is interesting to watch.
Welcome aboard?
RichVRichV
(885 posts)But that's far from not caring about the plight of minorities. Virtually all Democrats are in agreement that it is a very important subject.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)elana i am
(814 posts)push for this really hard right now to make it happen because BLM is gaining a reputation as a militant black terrorist organization among the right wing racists and some in the law enforcement realm. i do regular searches of #blacklivesmatter on twitter, and it is not pretty.
i doubt the DNC DINO asshats want to get anywhere near any kind of potentially controversial issues with their "precious".
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)elleng
(130,876 posts)Sanders and O'Malley HAVE been pushing for it, and NADA!
We NEED forums, like it or not, and too bad this one's being Xed out. DAMN!