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Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:00 AM Oct 2015

breaking Hillary has 41 point lead over Sanders in Iowa

Hillary Clinton has support of 65% of likely Iowa Democratic caucus-goers, while Bernie Sanders has 24% and Martin O’Malley has 5%, according to first Monmouth University poll since Clinton’s House Benghazi panel appearance and Vice President Joe Biden’s decision not to run.



http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2015-10-27/clinton-has-41-point-lead-over-sanders-in-iowa-monmouth-poll

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breaking Hillary has 41 point lead over Sanders in Iowa (Original Post) Historic NY Oct 2015 OP
Wow! Say hello to Madame President! leftofcool Oct 2015 #1
Unstoppable! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #11
76% of those polled were over the age of 50. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #35
What does this mean? DCBob Oct 2015 #65
OK - so this doesn't include the young/new voters. Just the older locked-in ones... erronis Oct 2015 #77
I think it means they standardized the results on typical caucus goer.. DCBob Oct 2015 #80
WHAAAAAT? JaneyVee Oct 2015 #2
Awesome numbers for her across the board.Wow. nt sufrommich Oct 2015 #3
Wow! Go Hillary!! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #4
That's an incredibly huge part of this. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #8
Hillary is CRUSHING it! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #5
Are we sure? What does Mika think? sufrommich Oct 2015 #7
hahahahahahahahahahaha! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #10
But but she's playing the gender card rbrnmw Oct 2015 #79
This is big. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #6
Do Sanders supporters here know that? ???? Historic NY Oct 2015 #52
Their reaction tells me yes. nt. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #56
while her numbers stay strong Sheepshank Oct 2015 #9
This.She's running an awesome campaign. nt sufrommich Oct 2015 #12
Ground game is huge workinclasszero Oct 2015 #15
And she will work this hard as president. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #53
This seems out of line with other polling mythology Oct 2015 #13
It's the Biden and Benghazi bump DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #16
Lol and holy shit! sufrommich Oct 2015 #21
Looks like the BS revolution workinclasszero Oct 2015 #27
YUp +1. Historic NY Oct 2015 #40
If this polls results were reversed workinclasszero Oct 2015 #67
Bingo! You nailed it. Wouldn't be anyone trying to poll'splain the results either. nt Persondem Oct 2015 #76
A bit, yes. Agschmid Oct 2015 #19
Monmouth has an A- rating for accuracy at 538. sufrommich Oct 2015 #23
uh-huh kenfrequed Oct 2015 #14
"And 76% of their sample was over the age of 50." workinclasszero Oct 2015 #17
I'm a huge Hillary supporter but... CheshireDog Oct 2015 #25
In 2008, 22 percent were under 30 oberliner Oct 2015 #106
You should start a facebook page where you and those similarly concerned can lodge your complaints DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #18
Why not just do it here? frylock Oct 2015 #22
Aww... kenfrequed Oct 2015 #24
Well DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #30
Thank you kenfrequed Oct 2015 #33
More fodder for your Facebook petition DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #36
You know... kenfrequed Oct 2015 #39
Wow DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #45
Right... kenfrequed Oct 2015 #48
Point by point DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #51
Absurd kenfrequed Oct 2015 #85
Back at ya DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #93
I've said it a million times and I'll say it yet again. SOME OF THESE PEOPLE SIMPLY Number23 Oct 2015 #123
He even questioned my intellectual acuity when I cited a Bible verse verbatim... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #124
Geez! Read the anti Hillary stuff on this board? upaloopa Oct 2015 #110
It's a very small sample also. nt kristopher Oct 2015 #117
Truth the polls! Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #34
I know I know rbrnmw Oct 2015 #78
Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #97
Wow. Agschmid Oct 2015 #20
Yeah sure Robbins Oct 2015 #26
If I were to guess, I'd say it's the transfer of Biden votes and a good week... brooklynite Oct 2015 #28
If it said Bernie had a 41 point lead over Hillary... workinclasszero Oct 2015 #29
Yes. kenfrequed Oct 2015 #41
Sure workinclasszero Oct 2015 #43
You do not know me kenfrequed Oct 2015 #47
I agree CheshireDog Oct 2015 #50
Do you know i have been banned from posting on this site for defending workinclasszero Oct 2015 #59
I will never forget what went on here last time Hillary ran. Beausoir Oct 2015 #90
I'm having the best day I've had on DU for months! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #95
There is a group of people here that are simply unprincipled.. frylock Oct 2015 #102
I would prefer not to believe that kenfrequed Oct 2015 #111
But it's the most reliable group of sub-thread insulting people. frylock Oct 2015 #112
Yeah, that's called "politics" 72DejaVu Oct 2015 #32
Like the yougovpoll.... Historic NY Oct 2015 #38
Warning: Vicious attacks ahead from you know who. moobu2 Oct 2015 #31
It's not a real poll because it's not online, doncha know! leftofcool Oct 2015 #37
+1 stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #109
All aboard the Hillary Express. Bullet train to the White House. oasis Oct 2015 #42
Yes indeed! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #44
Will she give us amnesty so we can move to a country Fawke Em Oct 2015 #83
One way passage to Denmark. oasis Oct 2015 #86
Party time! BooScout Oct 2015 #46
WooHoo! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #61
I wish O'Malley would drop out. I think more of his supporters would go to Sanders. Vattel Oct 2015 #49
Unrec. Agschmid Oct 2015 #58
O'Malley offers nothing new. Teagan Oct 2015 #60
That's incredibly dismissive of him. Agschmid Oct 2015 #62
Not entirely dismissive of him Teagan Oct 2015 #66
If you count getting things done, he has more experience than Sanders. FSogol Oct 2015 #91
Clinton will be very hard to beat. I think Sanders needs all the help he can get. Vattel Oct 2015 #63
Yes by having his competition just give up... Agschmid Oct 2015 #64
cool, but I am afraid that both our candidates are in trouble unless something shifts substantially. Vattel Oct 2015 #70
My candidate is Hillary. Agschmid Oct 2015 #72
oh, I didn't know that. okay, well I am glad your money went to O'Malley Vattel Oct 2015 #73
I wish Sanders would drop out. I think more of his supporters would go to O'Malley. FSogol Oct 2015 #89
I think you are right. Someone should drop out. How about they toss a coin? Vattel Oct 2015 #98
It really wouldn't be enough kenfrequed Oct 2015 #115
Kick & highly recommended! William769 Oct 2015 #54
Wowza! DCBob Oct 2015 #55
Andrea Mitchell's jaw was dropping just now on msnbc with Hillary over 40% lead... riversedge Oct 2015 #57
Andrea Mitchell's jaw was dropping just now on msnbc with Hillary over 40% lead... workinclasszero Oct 2015 #71
I'm really glad that Martin O'Malley is showing more in the polls... Walk away Oct 2015 #68
+1 I agree. n/t FSogol Oct 2015 #94
I agree mcar Oct 2015 #101
So when do you think Bernie will throw in the towel workinclasszero Oct 2015 #69
At the Convention and not before brooklynite Oct 2015 #81
OK but if you are polling 40 points behind the leader workinclasszero Oct 2015 #84
Awesome rbrnmw Oct 2015 #74
That's really a shocking result from that poll. MineralMan Oct 2015 #75
This is awesome MM! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #82
I believe it has but credit to the thousands of young volunteers Historic NY Oct 2015 #88
Young, as in millennials? I thought they were all in Bernie's MineralMan Oct 2015 #96
Yes she owes it to all those folks on the ground in Iowa workinclasszero Oct 2015 #100
Another poll is out confirming this one MM workinclasszero Oct 2015 #104
Yes, I saw that. Pretty amazing, I think. MineralMan Oct 2015 #105
Yep, that Bernie curve ain't looking so hot about now. Amimnoch Oct 2015 #87
Remember all the "Get off the stage, Hillary!" posts here last time she ran? Beausoir Oct 2015 #92
Some interesting data from the actual Poll...... postatomic Oct 2015 #99
Another poll just came out with a similar margin. RandySF Oct 2015 #103
K&R! stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #107
Ka-boom! shenmue Oct 2015 #108
The methodology used in this poll is flawed and is clearly an outlier! Bernblu Oct 2015 #113
One group of folks here are living in a Romneyesque bubble alcibiades_mystery Oct 2015 #114
Romney bubble.. it's in the lexicon.. just waiting.. Cha Oct 2015 #120
This message was self-deleted by its author FedUpWithIt All Oct 2015 #116
I think when added to the 2 other polls it works out she is ahead...by big numbers. Historic NY Oct 2015 #118
WOW.. I like how they're responding to what's been happening! Thanks Historic~ Cha Oct 2015 #119
I don't think this one came on the rader yet.......... Historic NY Oct 2015 #122
KICK! Cha Oct 2015 #121
KICK! Cha Oct 2015 #125
 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
35. 76% of those polled were over the age of 50.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:40 AM
Oct 2015

That is Clinton's wheelhouse. I think it's safe to say her lead would not be anywhere near that large if a representative sample were taken and all age groups were evenly distributed. This is why polls need to be scrutinized.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
80. I think it means they standardized the results on typical caucus goer..
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:58 PM
Oct 2015

which would probably skew it somewhat to the older voter but that's the way it is... right?

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
4. Wow! Go Hillary!!
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:03 AM
Oct 2015
Hillary Clinton has support of 65% of likely Iowa Democratic caucus-goers, while Bernie Sanders has 24% and Martin O’Malley has 5%, according to first Monmouth University poll since Clinton’s House Benghazi panel appearance and Vice President Joe Biden’s decision not to run.

Clinton’s lead over Sanders is strong among both male voters (55% to 33%) and female voters (73% to 16%)


http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2015-10-27/clinton-has-41-point-lead-over-sanders-in-iowa-monmouth-poll
 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
8. That's an incredibly huge part of this.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:10 AM
Oct 2015

In those precincts where not enough Sanders supporters are present, the second choice is key!

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
6. This is big.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:08 AM
Oct 2015

"Clinton is second choice of 68% of Sanders supporters, while 19% say O’Malley would be their second choice."

More info here: http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/32212254770/32212254991/32212254992/32212254994/32212254995/30064771087/c83c0429-6c12-47a7-ac86-9bd1beab9bfb.pdf

"Four-in-ten (40%) Democratic caucusgoers say they are completely settled on the candidate they
will support on February 1st. For comparison, this is double the number of likely Republican caucusgoers
who said the same (19%) in a Monmouth poll released yesterday. Another 37% of Democrats have a
strong preference but are willing to consider other candidates, 10% have a slight preference and 13% are
largely undecided. Clinton’s support appears to be more solid than the Sanders vote. Among Clinton
voters, 49% are completely decided and 35% have a strong preference, with the remaining 16% looking at other candidates. Among Sanders voters, just 27% are completely decided and 47% have a strong
preference, with 24% looking at other candidates."

"Hillary Clinton holds a very strong 88% favorable and 8% unfavorable rating among likely
caucusgoers. Bernie Sanders also has an extremely positive rating at 77% favorable and 11%
unfavorable. Martin O’Malley also has positive numbers at 50% favorable and 14% unfavorable, but
36% of Iowa Democrats feel they don’t know enough to rate him. Larry Lessig earns a negative 9%
favorable and 18% unfavorable rating, with 74% having no opinion."

"Iowa Democrats tend to be satisfied with the direction of their party. Nearly 8-in-10 (79%) say
the national Democratic Party is doing a good job representing the concerns of voters like them while
only 12% say it is doing a bad job. This is a far cry from the sentiments of Hawkeye State Republicans in
yesterday’s Monmouth University Poll – just 32% of likely GOP caucusgoers feel their national party is
doing a good job while a majority of 57% say it is doing a bad job."

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
9. while her numbers stay strong
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:12 AM
Oct 2015

I am impressed that she doesn't sit back on her laurels. She is working hard, is speaking at meetings, attending town hall meetings, on the stomp, preparing for debates and makes every appearance she can fit into her schedule. She is developing and clarifying policy. She is amazing under pressure from the Right, She is NOT basing her Presidential Run on her well liked husband. She is not acting like there is any inevitable coronation, as is constantly touted here. She is working damn hard and has earned every single polling vote she is getting.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
67. If this polls results were reversed
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:33 PM
Oct 2015

it would already have 200 rec's eh?

Poor Bernie fans have a sad today LOL

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
19. A bit, yes.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:19 AM
Oct 2015

But she had a really good week overall.

I think the polls are in no way settled and expect more changes in both directions.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
23. Monmouth has an A- rating for accuracy at 538.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:23 AM
Oct 2015

YouGov,which polled much closer and has been an outlier throughout the campaign has a rating of c+

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
14. uh-huh
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:17 AM
Oct 2015

And 76% of their sample was over the age of 50. 7% of the data was from the age group 18-34.

This is a base hit, not a home run.

 

CheshireDog

(63 posts)
25. I'm a huge Hillary supporter but...
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:27 AM
Oct 2015

I looked at Iowa exit polls from 2008 and 18-34 should be closer to 25-30%, not 7%. If that's true this poll is definitely a bit misaligned.

I don't doubt she has a lead, but polls can be wrong regardless of which side they show in the lead. This one is an outlier.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
24. Aww...
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:25 AM
Oct 2015

But that would save you the effort of dismissing an argument without actually interfacing it and then what would you have to do with your life?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
30. Well
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:35 AM
Oct 2015
But that would save you the effort of dismissing an argument without actually interfacing it and then what would you have to do with your life?





You seem to be in the "Anger and Denial" phase of Elisabeth Kubler Ross' "Five Stages Of Grief". Rather than respond to your insult of me in kind, let me just say I am here to assist you through all five stages every of the grieving process which culminates In "Acceptance". If you like you can send me a private message when you begin every stage.

Oh, before you start a Facebook petition you might want to factor in this:




The Monmouth University Poll was sponsored and conducted by the Monmouth University Polling Institute from October 22
to 25, 2015 with a statewide random sample of 400 Iowa voters drawn from a list of registered Democratic voters who voted
in at least one of the last two state primary elections and indicate they are likely to attend the Democratic presidential caucuses
in February 2016. This includes 300 contacted by a live interviewer on a landline telephone and 100 contacted by a live
interviewer on a cell phone, in English. Monmouth is responsible for all aspects of the survey design, data weighting and
analysis. Final sample is weighted for age and gender based on state registration list information on the pool of voters who
participate in primary elections.
Data collection support provided by Braun Research (field) and Aristotle (voter list). For
results based on the total sample, one can say with 95% confidence that the error attributable to sampling has a maximum
margin of plus or minus 4.9 percentage points (unadjusted for sample design). Sampling error can be larger for sub-groups
(see table below). In addition to sampling error, one should bear in mind that question wording and practical difficulties in
conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of opinion polls.

http://tinyurl.com/qxfhehg

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
33. Thank you
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:39 AM
Oct 2015

So it also favors land lines too. Yeah, I can't possibly see how that wouldn't skew a poll in 2015. Maybe they should take three quarters of their responses from telegraph?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
36. More fodder for your Facebook petition
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:42 AM
Oct 2015

In a serious vein here is the contact info:

Contact:
PATRICK MURRAY
732-979-6769 (cell); 732-263-5858 (office)
pdmurray@monmouth.edu
Follow on Twitter: @PollsterPatrick


I have contacted Gallup and quinnipiac and they have responded to me. I even posted the responses here.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
39. You know...
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:43 AM
Oct 2015

That is actually kind of insulting and I really don't appreciate your tone. Are you actually hoping to get Democrats to support Hillary if she wins the nomination or drive them away? Maybe you should ask yourself why you actually come here.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
45. Wow
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:51 AM
Oct 2015
That is actually kind of insulting and I really don't appreciate your tone. Are you actually hoping to get Democrats to support Hillary if she wins the nomination or drive them away? Maybe you should ask yourself why you actually come here.

-kenfrequed


This reminds me of the old saw about the " kid who killed his parents and asks the court for mercy because he's an orphan."

Perhaps you forgot we began our tete a tete with you telling me I had no life:


But that would save you the effort of dismissing an argument without actually interfacing it and then what would you have to do with your life?

kenfrequed




"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?


Matthew 7:3

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
48. Right...
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:09 PM
Oct 2015

Except you seem to forget that you used the same tone and argument Before my comment. i.e. Suggesting I leave and post something on facebook. Context actually does mean something. But you know, no need to trouble yourself on such small matters.


And a murder analogy...? Wow. Just wow.

So...

Also 'mote' doesn't refer to sawdust, it refers to any small object. Common mistake.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
51. Point by point
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:17 PM
Oct 2015
Except you seem to forget that you used the same tone and argument Before my comment. i.e. Suggesting I leave and post something on facebook. Context actually does mean something. But you know, no need to trouble yourself on such small matters.



I made a jocular remark. Your response was to tell me I had no life.



And a murder analogy...? Wow. Just wow.


It's an old saw, nothing more and nothing less, nobody is being accused of murder. Well, you did assassinate my character when you said I had no life but I digress...

Also 'mote' doesn't refer to sawdust, it refers to any small object. Common mistake


Pleases take it up with folks who wrote the New International Version of the Bible. I didn't write it:


http://biblehub.com/matthew/7-3.htm

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
85. Absurd
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:09 PM
Oct 2015

On all counts.

You get to count your comment as "jocular" but my retort is somehow insulting. Lovely. You most be so well liked.

I'm finished with you now.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
93. Back at ya
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:19 PM
Oct 2015



Absurd, on all counts.

You get to count your comment as "jocular" but my retort is somehow insulting. Lovely. You most be so well liked.

I'm finished with you now.


Back at ya...

I'm sure your lauding of what you believe to be your intellectual and moral superiority over others makes you so "well liked" also.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
123. I've said it a million times and I'll say it yet again. SOME OF THESE PEOPLE SIMPLY
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:50 PM
Oct 2015
CANNOT BE FOR REAL.

Start the exchange nasty as hell and then IMMEDIATELY pivot to the "do you not WANT me to vote for Hillary??!" mess when given 1/2 of what s/he has dished out.

I have never seen anything like it!!!

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
124. He even questioned my intellectual acuity when I cited a Bible verse verbatim...
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:55 PM
Oct 2015

There are literally a dozen or so versions. When I pointed it out to him he still refused to withdraw it.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
110. Geez! Read the anti Hillary stuff on this board?
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:56 PM
Oct 2015

Make up anything about Hillary but get insulted if you ox gets gored!

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
26. Yeah sure
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:30 AM
Oct 2015

I call total BS.not that she is ahead but she is ahead by that high.

of course clinton supporters will push it.

brooklynite

(94,384 posts)
28. If I were to guess, I'd say it's the transfer of Biden votes and a good week...
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:33 AM
Oct 2015

...but feel free to go with the "biased media" conspiracy theory.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
41. Yes.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:45 AM
Oct 2015

I would question any poll that put Bernie at 41 points over Hillary. As much as I would want that to be true, I would have to stare long and hard at the methodology.

I doubt you are as burdened by that impulse though.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
47. You do not know me
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 11:54 AM
Oct 2015

And I do not like your attitude or your implications.

I did not trumpet the internet polls that stated that Bernie won the debate because I thought they weren't really representative. I thought he did well and I thought it spoke to some kind of enthusiasm but I did not take it as a victory because I thought they were off.

Given what I have seen in the past though you seem less concerned with such things.

 

CheshireDog

(63 posts)
50. I agree
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:15 PM
Oct 2015

As a Hillary supporter I am ignoring this poll. As much as I want it to be true the sample seems skewed toward older voters. Exit polls from 2008 show 18-34 as much more than 7%.

We have to be fair - skewed polls are wrong whether they are in our candidates favor or the opponents.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
59. Do you know i have been banned from posting on this site for defending
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:25 PM
Oct 2015

my DEMOCRATIC party candidate for the nomination of the democratic party vs a non-democratic party candidate?

Do you know that many Hillary supporters were driven off of the Democratic Underground site for the crime of supporting Hillary Clinton?

Do you know that we are a tiny minority in a sea of Bernie fans that pack all the juries which explains the bannings?

Do you realize that we democrats that care about our fellow citizens are called lackeys of wall street and tools of the rich by the majority of people on this board?

Spare me your false outrage, please.

If my democratic candidate is pulling ahead of yours Im going to shout it from the rooftops until Bernie backers silence me again!

Today and everyday!

Have a good day, I know I'm going to!

 

Beausoir

(7,540 posts)
90. I will never forget what went on here last time Hillary ran.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:15 PM
Oct 2015

Images of her as a lynch-mistress, sexist mysogynistic slop over and over.


Some Bernie jurors deleted the most benign posts of mine over the weekend.
I wrote to the admins et voila! Reinstated.

You have a GREAT day!

frylock

(34,825 posts)
102. There is a group of people here that are simply unprincipled..
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:38 PM
Oct 2015

and the reason that they are always so dismissive of comments like yours is based on pure projection. They have no problem lying, and so they assume the same applies to all.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
111. I would prefer not to believe that
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:00 PM
Oct 2015

And in this case I am going to refuse to belive that based on my wishes.

I am going to consider "sub-thread insulting person" a statistical outlier rather than a representation of the whole.

 

Teagan

(62 posts)
60. O'Malley offers nothing new.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:27 PM
Oct 2015

I would rather see Bernie vs Hillary debates for the next three debates. Really, really differentiate between each other... coporatist vs populist.

 

Teagan

(62 posts)
66. Not entirely dismissive of him
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:33 PM
Oct 2015

His recent polls is still have him stagnating at 1%. Bernie does offer more, talked the talk, walked that walk to prove that he is who he says he is. People are still saying O'Malley who? in my state when I do some informal polling.

I'm glad O'Malley is running, but he just needs more national exposure. O'malley just isn't getting the opportunities he needs. He can try again in 2020 when he has more experience in his resume.

FSogol

(45,456 posts)
91. If you count getting things done, he has more experience than Sanders.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:15 PM
Oct 2015

O'Malley ended the death penalty, raised the minimum wage, invested in education when everyone else was cutting it, protected transgender citizens, supported the dreamers, and banned fracking in his state. Other candidate say the right things, O'Malley went and did them.



BTW, recent polls have him at 5%-9%. And it is 4 months until any votes are cast.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
64. Yes by having his competition just give up...
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:31 PM
Oct 2015

That seems logical?

All our candidates are good people and I would support any of the three in the general. O'Malley is running a lean campaign and has more exposure nationally now than he has ever had, it would be foolish to drop out at this point. He also has started picking up steam in Iowa a bit.

Because of your post, I'm going to go chip in $5 to O'Malley.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
70. cool, but I am afraid that both our candidates are in trouble unless something shifts substantially.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:37 PM
Oct 2015
 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
98. I think you are right. Someone should drop out. How about they toss a coin?
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:29 PM
Oct 2015

Heads Sanders wins and tails O'Malley loses.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
115. It really wouldn't be enough
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:22 PM
Oct 2015

Personally I like O'Malley in the race but the fact of the matter is that he really isn't pulling very big numbers right now. I think this poll does underrate both O'Malley and Sanders because it overrepresents the 50+ crowd, but I do not think O'Malley dropping out would give Bernie all that much of a bump.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
55. Wowza!
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:21 PM
Oct 2015

I expected a significant bump from her big week last week but this is much better that I was expecting.

Looks like its all over but the "shouting".

riversedge

(70,095 posts)
57. Andrea Mitchell's jaw was dropping just now on msnbc with Hillary over 40% lead...
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:23 PM
Oct 2015



Oct 27 Monmouth Iowa Democratic Likely Caucus-goers: C 65; S 24; O'M 5 more info.....


I was going to post this--but you beat me by lots.


Oct 27 Monmouth Iowa Democratic Likely Caucus-goers: C 65; S 24; O'M 5


X-posted:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1014&pid=1244054

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
71. Andrea Mitchell's jaw was dropping just now on msnbc with Hillary over 40% lead...
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:38 PM
Oct 2015

Must see TV right there!

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
68. I'm really glad that Martin O'Malley is showing more in the polls...
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:35 PM
Oct 2015

I'm a Hillary supporter but O'Malley is a really good Democrat with a lot to say about the direction our party should be going. He adds to the debate and a credit to the party!

brooklynite

(94,384 posts)
81. At the Convention and not before
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:59 PM
Oct 2015

...his goal isn't to campaign and win; it's to campaign and press his set of issues. No reason he can't do that indefinitely.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
84. OK but if you are polling 40 points behind the leader
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:05 PM
Oct 2015

whats that say about your issues?

That would be kind of embarrassing really.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
75. That's really a shocking result from that poll.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:49 PM
Oct 2015

It could even be an outlying poll, but it's an indication of what's happening in Iowa.

With Biden out and the speech she made there, along with Biden's supporters walking out after Bernie spoke, it could well be that the tide has turned in Iowa.

I'll be watching for other polls to see if this poll is in keeping with others.

In any case, this has to come as a shock to Bernie supporters.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
82. This is awesome MM!
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:02 PM
Oct 2015

I expected a bump but...OMG!

This is like a shifting of the ground!

Hillary is crushing the opposition!

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
88. I believe it has but credit to the thousands of young volunteers
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:11 PM
Oct 2015

they are out 7 days a weeks making face to face contacts. Hillary has a large ground game in Iowa.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
100. Yes she owes it to all those folks on the ground in Iowa
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:35 PM
Oct 2015

The ones that Bernie fans were making fun of just the other day.

As an organizer I start from where the world is, as it is, not as I would like it to be.
Saul Alinsky

The difference between Hillary supporters and Bernie fans.

And clickbait polls on Facebook, etc are bunk.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
105. Yes, I saw that. Pretty amazing, I think.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:43 PM
Oct 2015

More national polls will be coming out today and tomorrow, as well. It's going to be an interesting week, I think. Benghazi, Biden, and the Debate are going to jolt polling numbers heavily. It's a HillaryQuake, I think. Or maybe a ClintonQuake.

 

Beausoir

(7,540 posts)
92. Remember all the "Get off the stage, Hillary!" posts here last time she ran?
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:18 PM
Oct 2015

This thing is over before it even got started.

Great news!

postatomic

(1,771 posts)
99. Some interesting data from the actual Poll......
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:33 PM
Oct 2015

This Poll carries a little more weight in that it contacted likely Democratic caucus-goers, but that's one hell of a jump. Still a ways to go before they come for the piano, but damn...... Also found it interesting that more people have seen/met Hillary than the other candidates. Guess a few large Sanders gatherings doesn't beat an aggressive ground campaign. Seems like Hillary wants to get this Primary thing over quickly so they can focus on the General.

http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/32212254770/32212254991/32212254992/32212254994/32212254995/30064771087/c83c0429-6c12-47a7-ac86-9bd1beab9bfb.pdf

Bernblu

(441 posts)
113. The methodology used in this poll is flawed and is clearly an outlier!
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:06 PM
Oct 2015

Let's wait until the next Des Moines Register poll, considered the jewel of Iowa polls. The last Des Moines Register poll taken October 16 - 19 showed Clinton with the lead but only by 7 points 48-41 without Joe Biden included.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
114. One group of folks here are living in a Romneyesque bubble
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:19 PM
Oct 2015

There will be tears on each election night of the primaries, at least until Super Tuesday, anyway.

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