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magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:04 PM Oct 2015

Monmouth's methodology for Iowa poll pretty much says it all.

I was going to post this in my other thread, but that grew so fast this would be lost in the shuffle!

http://www.monmouth.edu/assets/0/32212254770/32212254991/32212254992/32212254994/32212254995/30064771087/c83c0429-6c12-47a7-ac86-9bd1beab9bfb.pdf

The Monmouth University Poll was sponsored and conducted by the Monmouth University Polling Institute from October 22 to 25, 2015 with a statewide random sample of 400 Iowa voters drawn from a list of registered Democratic voters who voted in at least one of the last two state primary elections and indicate they are likely to attend the Democratic presidential caucuses in February 2016. This includes 300 contacted by a live interviewer on a landline telephone and 100 contacted by a live interviewer on a cell phone, in English.


>400 is pretty small sample size
>already registered, already voted in at least one of last two primaries
>75% landline telephones

7% 18-34
17% 35-49
37% 50-64
39% 65+


>very heavily skewed toward older voters
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Monmouth's methodology for Iowa poll pretty much says it all. (Original Post) magical thyme Oct 2015 OP
you mean they polled hillary supporters. ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2015 #1
Keep on unskewing them polls!!!!! MohRokTah Oct 2015 #2
Yet another unskewing the horrible poll for Bernie workinclasszero Oct 2015 #11
More reliable and more accurate than the popular People Magazine online polls. NurseJackie Oct 2015 #3
Wait Capt. Obvious Oct 2015 #4
it's a piece with a very, very flawed methodology magical thyme Oct 2015 #5
Flawed according to whom? Is this your opinion? Or is there something else I'm missing? NurseJackie Oct 2015 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #6
Here is a Sanders supporter RoccoR5955 Oct 2015 #12
Really tells you what the adults in the room are thinking. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #8
Yup. Agschmid Oct 2015 #9
Wow, what a condescending comment. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #15
I don't think so. I any way at all. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #17
Some DUer is going to rec this thread Capt. Obvious Oct 2015 #10
I've been laughing so hard this morning... MohRokTah Oct 2015 #14
There's this.. DCBob Oct 2015 #13
The sample size is fine Godhumor Oct 2015 #16
If it's flawed as you say, then Sanders should be able to catch Clinton off guard. randome Oct 2015 #18
400 seems to be a reasonable poll this season. I am unsure why Mass Oct 2015 #19
Has Monmouth polled in Iowa before, using this same methodology? winter is coming Oct 2015 #20
This was Monmouth's first Iowa poll. magical thyme Oct 2015 #21

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
3. More reliable and more accurate than the popular People Magazine online polls.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:13 PM
Oct 2015

Personally, I think individual polls are a poor indicator of exactly what's going on any given day, and in response to any particular news event. But it's a good indicator of overall trends when all the polls are taken as a whole. It's very easy to nitpick any individual pollster or their methods, but it's difficult to argue-away obvious trends.

This poll is a piece of a puzzle. Not the entire puzzle, just a piece. When put together with other polls, we'll be able to come up with a clearer picture.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
5. it's a piece with a very, very flawed methodology
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:16 PM
Oct 2015

with a smallish sample size that left out all new voters, not yet registered voters, voters who didn't attend one of the last 2 caucuses, and included mostly older voters.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
7. Flawed according to whom? Is this your opinion? Or is there something else I'm missing?
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:23 PM
Oct 2015

It's difficult for me to imagine that Monmouth would be so respected if they were as biased or incompetent as you're suggesting.

Response to magical thyme (Original post)

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
12. Here is a Sanders supporter
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:31 PM
Oct 2015

saying that this may not be good either. I never trust those polls. They are often designed to get the answer that one wants.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
8. Really tells you what the adults in the room are thinking.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:26 PM
Oct 2015

What was shocking to me was the number of Sanders supporters who saw Hillary as their second choice instead of O'Malley. There isn't this "anybody but Hillary" sentiment in the real world that you find on du. Thanks for sharing. Lots of great information.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
17. I don't think so. I any way at all.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:37 PM
Oct 2015

I think politically it is a completely accurate statement. Look at the numbers. It clearly shows who the "political adults" are supporting overwhelmingly. With the weighting they used, I would make the case it is great for her no matter how it is broken down.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
16. The sample size is fine
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:34 PM
Oct 2015

The Iowa Democratic voting population is small, so a sample of 400 is not small relative to the population being polled.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
18. If it's flawed as you say, then Sanders should be able to catch Clinton off guard.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:39 PM
Oct 2015

Since most people, as you've implied, support him. Why would it matter what a flawed poll indicates?
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Mass

(27,315 posts)
19. 400 seems to be a reasonable poll this season. I am unsure why
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:53 PM
Oct 2015

samples are so small, but they are. Kind of funny however to see the pundits argue on the meaning of a 1% difference in a poll whose MOE is 5 or 6 % (in the GOP primary, of course).

The two other conditions are also pretty much generic these days. They may be wrong, but they are there whether the poll shows HRC or Sanders ahead.

Which is more interesting is the age difference. However, this goes to a question I cannot find anybody able to answer. Who are the people who answer polls these days? It is actually even more problematic in the GOP primary. but what is the validity of polls where only 1 out 10 people accept to answer? How much does that skew the results (one way of the other)?

So, I would not spend too much time on polls, by which I mean whoever they favor. I see a lot of people argue that polls are wrong when they do not go their way. They should also argue that when they go their way.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
20. Has Monmouth polled in Iowa before, using this same methodology?
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:58 PM
Oct 2015

If so, what were the results? If not, why not?

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
21. This was Monmouth's first Iowa poll.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:17 PM
Oct 2015

You'd have to ask them why they haven't polled in Iowa before now.

The nearest comparison is the Loras College poll which which got similar numbers just before the hearing, and which also screens out younger and new voters who have not yet registered, including only people who voted in 2012 and 2014.

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