Someone that used the term for political gain is definitely not a feminist.

A Secretary of State does not get to choose countries to deal with based on how they treat women. Number 2, many women do not leave their husbands just because they cheat. How does your friend know she didn't kick Bill's ass in private?

I get her frustration but I thought it was a bit idealistic.

Point 2 I'm not gonna touch, lol. Just curious to what people in similar situations think.

for a man's behavior or judge their marriages based on gossip.

"I'm more X than you" etc.

It's interesting that you think I'm making this up. We both learned something today...not all single moms think alike.

It behind them and revive their marriages. IMHO No one has more information about the couple's relationship than the couple themselves. It really isn't up to any of us to judge decisions couples make, we don't have all the information.

That aint how it works. That aint how you get things done. "My way or no way" is not the right way

I've known lots of marriages that delt with infidelity without falling apart.

Those items neither make her a feminist nor remove her from those ranks.

You know that the SOS doesn't get to SET foreign policy, right?

against HRC.

Surprise, surprise.

Rand2016.

She soon will be Madam President of the United States.

I would talk to my friend about feminism.

opinion? I also note that you do not give your own opinion. From her comments, she does not seem very interested or informed in real issues.

On the first point, how many countries would this woman think we should have diplomatic relations with -- at least on the secretarial level? Is it ok if John Kerry speaks to them now? I would assume the entire Middle East, most of Africa, Much of Asia and even some European countries might not pass this woman's bar --- especially if she adds in that they must respect the rights of LGBT individuals as well. It would tie the hands of the SoS.

Then rather than any domestic issues - equal pay, equal opportunity, abortion, income inequality, the justice system, housing .... she is concerned that someone did not divorce her husband? I would kind of think that even on this it is the woman's right to chose. I am not the least interested in knowing whether she considered it or not. Obviously, they both considered it to be better to stay together than apart. I don't think that decision impacted anyone other than their own family.

I am not a single mom, but wanted to get more insight into how that group thinks and votes. Mission accomplished.

that might give you insight into HER opinion, but certainly not all single moms. In fact, don't you worry that making this rather silly woman the "model" for single women in general is pretty demeaning to single women? Do you think her position on either of her two points made sense?

Note I am not a single woman, but have no reluctance in saying that the thoughts expressed were rather silly.

it as a political attack against HRC in hopes of turning 'tort reform' into an issue where Sanders supporters side with GOP.

LOLOL - you must really think that most of us are new to the game.

have been crafted to further the RW attacks against Clinton. The attacks are very direct and at one target.

I guess they think Sanders supporters at DU were born yesterday.

1: She should have done more for women as the secretary of state. Namely, she should have REFUSED to work with or have dialogue with countries that still treat women poorly.


Does your friend refuse to work with anyone in the US?

We can't disregard parts of the world that don't share all our views.
How Hillary handles her marriage is none of that woman's business.

who endorsed her because of her contributions on behalf of women.

You're really hitting it out of the park this week.

She was pro woman when I first started paying attention to her as the wife of the next Dem President. The woman who woman who thinks Clinton wasn't a "real" feminist for deciding her marriage was worth saving, doesn't have any understanding of what being a feminist means. As a feminist for some 50 years, I say that it's always, first and foremost, been about a woman's right to make choices for all aspects of her life without guilt or recrimination, and no one has a right to criticise another woman's decisions on what is best for her.

She was also wrong in thinking that by ignoring countries that treat women poorly was somehow advancing the rights of women. The power of dialog is what opens the door to new ideas that empower the women who nurture the beginnings of change that will take root in those backward countries.

Yet here's Hillary waving her gender card for all to see at every speech and trying to use it as a reason to get women to vote for her.

Not quite sure that's in line with feminism. And I don't know many women (or men for that matter) who vote based on genitalia.

Here's some context you may be missing:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_ceiling

Glass ceiling

A glass ceiling is a term used to describe "the unseen, yet unbreakable barrier that keeps minorities and women from rising to the upper rungs of the corporate ladder, regardless of their qualifications or achievements."[1]

Initially, and sometimes still today, the metaphor was applied by feminists in reference to barriers in the careers of high achieving women.[2] In the US the concept is sometimes extended to refer to obstacles hindering the advancement of minority men, as well as women.[2]

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I don't get all the card playing references on DU.

I know the media made a big deal of it.

But I don't remember HIM shouting at every single speech and debate for everyone to pay attention to his skin color.

Had Obama lost he would have been criticized for not bringing race into the issues more.

When Gore had the WH stolen from him, the analysts claimed it was because he did not make the good Clinton economy a bigger issue.

It's always something with 'analysts', but, not always accurate, imo.

The campaign is playing it differently this year and 'embracing' the women angle.

I'm a Democrat leaning socialist, so I am fine with Sanders embracing the type of socialism I agree with.

Should he not become the nominee, I'm sure some critics will claim it's because his campaign embraced socialism, and some will claim he didn't embrace it enough.

I personally think the comments come out of the glass ceiling debate. I wasn't sure if you knew about feminists talking about the glass ceiling.

So basically we have a difference of opinion, I guess. I can live with that

with oppressive countries. The Secretary of State's job is to open dialogue with other nations, even the ugly and oppressive ones. It is silly to assume that Hillary could just freeze out Saudi Arabia on her own initiative.

I see no reason to doubt Hillary's feminist bona fides - she's certainly a feminist, just a cold and uncaring one when it comes to innocent victims of U.S. military adventures in places like Iraq and Libya.

bring about genuine blanket equality for women in the US, and promote women's rights in all other countries.

I believe that Hillary has the economic and social concerns of the oligarchs as her primary focus, and will do what she can for women when and if she has spare time to do so.

A bit different than your friend's reasons perhaps. After all that went down with Monica (and living with the specter of Bill's philandering through the years), I would have divorced him. Now, I can't make a judgement call on why Hillary stayed married to him, maybe she was so deeply in love she decided it was ok to accept his cheating...or maybe she decided that in order to be president, she would need to stay married and keep the name Clinton. Knowing what I know about her (which is only what is publicly revealed), it seems to me her political career heavily influenced her decision.

I would have a great deal of respect for her if she'd had the courage to divorce Bill and make her own way with her own name. It just seems to me she's used him as a crutch to get where she is instead of entirely on her own merit.

and was excited over him. He is still doing horribly among latinos overall.

overly simple minded view of what to do in dealing with such countries.

Two - nobody's business. Each marriage has its own ups and downs.

There are certain realities of that job, and there are certain realities in a marriage. Tell Gladys to keep her nose out of the marriage. Bill, on the other hand... that is a whole 'nother story.

I do believe, though, that Senator Sanders will be better for women here, as well as worldwide.