leave much to be desired, imo.

The disorder in his grassroots is astounding to me and I hope he learns a bit about community organizing. Like Obama..

what issue? with the exception of guns, he's sharply to the left of hillary on pretty much every major policy issue.

you can say that even bernie's not left enough for you, but that doesn't make hillary better or a superior alternative

She backs Hillary's weathervane 'positions' on social issues.

My dislike for her was overcome by the nastiness towards myself and many other who have asked him to comment. He has not. So I left.
Once I started having issues with his grass roots supporters on campus, I knew this was not limited to online but an issue in real life as well. To be left on social justice is to understand intersectionality and promote it within your ranks. I see nothing there.

Instead of strongly held positions, they merely react to whatever the left does. The term is Reactionary.

Choosing a candidate based on internet drama is pretty damn shallow, IMHO.

Obviously written to as a smear attempt against Sanders. I take it with a grain of salt.

You have a nice day

the personal experiences of a respected DUer.

Bravenak is a Woman of Color and FORMER supporter of Bernie; therefore, she cannot be a respected DUer ... per the more "enthusiastic" of DU:Bernie

They are both far to my right. Neither address any return of native american land nor do they dicuss reparations of any sort. To my right on black issue, neither get it and one side seems to have an influx of poc who are not black whose goal is to tear down blacks and appropriate the black experience.
Though they are both to my right, only one side has self described fans harassing black people.

And it was the HILLARY camp that used racism in 2008.

Netroots, Seattle, BLM... I have seen no apologies nor acknowledgements of wrongdoing.

So does the group have credibility or not?

BLM can do what they do. Endorse whomever. But you cannot tell me tha they told you that no blak people experienced any racism this summer after Netroots and Seattle. That would be revising history.

he is to the right of you on social issues... But you WILL vote for Hillary even though she is FURTHER to the RIGHT than you.

Explain please and stop changing the subject.

Whether or not you felt there was racism at Netroots is irrelevant to why you are voting for Hillary if your argument is that Bernie is to your right on social issues.

The issues were never addressed. The harassment continues of any person insane enough to make a negative comment about him all over the place.

I have detached myself emotionally from both candidates. But who is nicer to me and the other aa member here? Think about it. Why join a group who is, well, not ever one bit nice to you? Even if there will be a bit of financial benefit, it is not worth it. The insensitivity, the constant comments about welfare directed towards black posters, calling us race baiters, race naggers, shit eater, liar, stupid, uninformed, stockholm syndrome victims, Lee Atwater Plants, Soros funded agitators...

I find these things disturbing but many pretend it never happened. I do not trust groups that pretend things did not happen the way they actually happened. No apologies. No admissions of needing to work on diversity. Just pretense of not having a 'black issue'. I honestly would have shut up by now if the worst of the worst has admitted wrong doing and simply said sorry and stopped. And stopped calling it the 'race card'.

So, until that is properly addressed I am just going to have to deal with the world as it is. Those who are kind to me have me in their group. Those who are nasty. Whatevs.


Bonobo did. He is the only one.

Offer me money or love? I always take love.

Black people are treated unequally BOTH socially and economically. Therefore, BOTH need to be rectified.

What's this either or bull?

People need money for FOOD and a place to LIVE. They also need social acceptance and a sense of unity.

I might have a clue about what I'm talking about... you know being a gay person and all.

Both need to be rectified but one side refuses to discuss the social part and continues with the bothering of blacks online and in person without ever listening to them. They also allow peers to do unfortunate things without comment but rush to 'correct' black people on 'Bernie's record'. Many see this as hypocrisy when they are admonished for not liking bernie, yet their admonishers never admonish their own for the things they do TO minorities and pretend that the issue is imaginary.

A welcoming envoronment is the first sign of intersectionality. The attitudes of acceptance without condescension is important. Keeping bad actirs from harassing oppressed minoriteis that are needed within your group will help them feel welcome. If they do not feel welcomed, it is not their fault for not overlooking the bad actors, and those who seem to want their vote but dislike the idea of them speaking out.

Not every disagreement with you is because of your race or ethnic background. Likewise, please stop talking about black people and white people as individual units. We're not. We are all individuals and not groups. I am gay, not the "gay community". I don't represent every gay person to ever exist. Neither do you represent every black person.

If you feel like people are attacking you, that is one thing. But the internet is not against black people.

Maybe you're just wrong. And maybe it just doesn't have anything to do with the color of your skin.

"but one side refuses to discuss the social part and continues with the bothering of blacks online and in person without ever listening to them."

I'm sorry but that "one side" you refer to is Bernie supporters. And "bothering blacks online" is racism and that is what you meant.

It's also not true.

Just because you're wrong, it doesn't mean it has anything to do with race or ethnicity.

Yes, that is true.
Did I tell you how I complained that blacks and women and minorities get crusts while straight white men get pie? I was told 'the crusts are the best part!'
Does that sound like a person interested in all getting a fair share? Or somebody trying to keep their ability to eat pie while I eat crusts and are adminishing me to be satisfied with my place?

I noticed not one person from that side admonish that person but they all rush to admonish me constantly! There is a double standard. Why did you not notice that but notice my posts? If you did see it, why not admonish your peer?

I don't recall a single instance where a non troll DUer suggested black people are second class citizens.

Which is the same thing in practice.

Who called you a race nagger?

For the record, no candidate is going to take the time to address random shit spewed on the internet by anonymous fartheads, bravenak. Sanders isn't going to address "69DudeBro4Sanders69" and his racist trolling any more than Clinton is going to address Hillshouse and her antisemitic conspiracy theories.

I decided this needed doing. If he has such disorganization in his grass roots that they feel comfortable tracking me down and stalking me to my home? I'd say I have every damn right to be pissed and the right to no longer like him or his grass roots.

I know you may not know this, but I ain't the one. All that crowing and cockiness? Now you want me to be nice? Are they nice to me? My friends? Black folks in general, do they listen with respect or just expect respect in exchange for condescencion and 'educating' of us simple minded folks who have never read marx nor want socialism nor care if we already have some?

Am I supposed to forgive those calling me race baiter, race nagger, shit eater? Were there apologies? Or are you saying I should just expect this and be nice to tgem in exchange. Look how peopke talk to me and tell me why somebody from the hood is gonna be nicey nicey to nast folks? Scoot. Yeah right. Their behavior is a sign that they ain't ready.

Another problem is the constant implications that I am stupid from that side. When people tell a black woman with a 132 -140 IQ that she just doesn't have the brain power to understand Bernie or his policies, it makes me want to, well, show them. If they are so much smarter, why do my op get so much traction in their heads? Why the alert trolling? You know I still get constant alerts. Nearly every post it seems. Be nice to them? They need to get it together in order to pull black votes. I owe nothing to Bernie. To them. Only to myself. If they want me to chill, they need to chill first and also apologize.

Some random asshole, presumably from DU, sends you a nasty letter. And because Sanders has no control over that, it's his fault? Not just his, but every other supporter's as well?

I don't care if you're nice or not. But I'm a little sad to see that my friend is starting ot go all "Flotilla to Tibet" here.

My god.
One person sent a letter. But many are just straight up nasty. The nastiness and calling me names? Yes. Sanders should tell his grass roots HOW to behave so they can have some rules and check each other.

Anybody who is my friend would check people calling me shit eater and race nagger and race baiter. If I have changed I have good reason. Maybe instead of trying to stop my compsints you guys shoukd do a call to action on social media or an announcement telling folks to stop being nasty, spamming black folks, rushing to 'correct' everyone on Bernie all day in droves so that one comment as a thousand of his army tearimg down the commenter. It would help. Oh yeah. That apology too. I'm gonna need one from the group here. A collective one. For the AA group. Thanks.

Go ahead. Try an experiment. Criticize Bernie on here. Let me know the results. But you gotta do it consistantly on one issue.

Thing is, it keeps coming back to the reality that on those issues, it's like the Stones say - i can't get no satisfaction.

How about this idea.

How about I talk about clinton, cast judgements on her, on the basis of her supporters, the way you do with Sanders? How long do you think I'll stay on DU then?

I don't think I'd last long at all, which is why I keep resisting the temptation

Ha!! That is the issue. I felt the way you feel about Bernie about Obama. What if I harassed people erre day bout Obama non stop 'correcting' the record? Every negative post. Constantly. Obsessively?
I would meltdown on the regular and get all emotional. I had to let the insults against him fly and move on. Maybe that is what needs to happen cause you know.. I never did get that apology. And I expect it.

I think you misunderstood me. First part, the places where I disagree with Sanders, I still end up agreeing with him MORE than I do the other candidates (Israel / Palestine is a good example - all our candidates have stupid positions, but it looks like Sanders' has the best potential to be slightly less stupid.)

The other part was me wondering what would happen, if I were ti judge Clinton on the basis of the sort of people I see supporting her, the way you do with Sanders.

There are many articles written about HIS supporters this time around and hers are nit the same as the last time. I hated HILLARY last time because of her surrogates and supporters. I hate the Tea Party because of their Supporters. I hat the KKK because of it's supporters.

People's behaviour makes me like or dislike them. If a person leads a group, and that group harasses others, people will blame the LEADER because it is HIS GROUP. See? If the KKK gave up racism and took us sustainable farming for inner city kids to have fresh foods, and had a big bonfire of memorabilia I could stop hating them after a while.

If peole act badly, acknowledge it, make ammends, I can move on. But if they deflect and point fingers and try to convince me that nothing is wrong with how they treat me, I find that deceptive and a reflection of the group.

Some will say, 'why let folks on the internet bother you?' Then when someone commits suicude from online bullying, they say, "how could those people be so nasty, arrest them!' How do I know sone of the others reciving the same as I am are as strong willed snd emotionally secure as I? I do not. But It is My DUTY to point these things out on the off chance that other who are recieving them same find themselves overwhelmed.

I try to avoid defining the candidate BY those supporters though. It wouldn't be hard - they ARE the same people as 2008, full of the same hate and rhetoric, and then some. But I figure that not only would doing so get me booted from DU, but it's also beneath me. Clinton's said and done enough that I can judge her without scraping around the jar desperate for anything form her supporters I can smear her with.

I bring up actual incidents. If bringing up actual incidents that happen to me is smearing.. What are you saying? I shoukd just not talk about what bothers me? Unless approved by Bernie supoorters? Nope. Waiting for that apology.

You wanna take the candidate to task for what the candidate does? That's fair. Wanna go after supporters for what they do? Well, that's fair, too - though in your case, their internet anonymity makes it rather frustrating and fruitless.

If you're wanting me to apologize for something, you're gonna have to fill me in on what it is you're wanting it for.

Yes. You were the one who started the screenshots. I decided you went after me to have fun with your group at my expense while I was on suspension. It was like icing on the cake, people turned on me, became combative, insulting, rude, hostile. I would never have done that to you. Still would not do so.

To me this shows that he does niot know how to organize his people. Everybody does whatever they want, helpful or harmful, and nobody takes blame but they love the credit!!

People here though? They know they were wrong. They know they are Wrong for not going back and apologizing to those they were so nasty to. But they instead blame the victim of harassment for reacting to harassment by criticising them on their behaivior over the campaign season.

Had they simply checked their friends and group member and stopped them from behaiving in that manner, they would not look like people who just want votes but not the voices that come with the votes.

What did you think was gonna happen? The nastiness would be ignored or overlooked without acknowledgement or comment? Why? I do not return kindness for nastiness. I solve the problem no matter how long it takes. And I think I expect apologies to the aa group from the group calling them race baiters. Otherwise we can continue discussing this until we reach a point of satisfaction. I can do this for months and years. Between classes of course. I spent years watching those same people critisize Obma. Watched them plus one posucs. Watched them call us race baiters. Apologies are in order. I apologize frequently.

You decided I "went after you?" Because I posted a screenshot of someone named "chae" (wink wink nudge nudge)? So because you have decided my mind for me, I owe you an apology? And that this "proves" Sanders is in the wrong because he hasn't told me to give you one? Oh my stars and garters. Are you even for real now?

Y'know what? I'm not gonna apologize for Zorra. I'm not gonna apologize for WillyT or WillPitt, either. They aren't my kids, and I'm not responsible for what they do. And I'm sure as hell not going to apologize for something you have decided I did, without my having done it. Sounds like you have enough real slights without having to imagine them, too.

later bravenak. Here's hoping that after silly season is over, we can talk again

Playing innocent is nice. Yes. You owe me one cause we were cool and that was WRONG of you regardless if you WANTED to do it or not.
I do not do that. If I have something to say I say it DIRECTLY to the person.
You do not have to apologize for Zorra. She was not the sole person who all alone did everything to be apologized for. She is just one person but had the wherewithal to delete it. I do not go and bother her about it because she saw it was wrong. The ones pretending that they did nothing wrong are the ones who are needing to self reflect and apologize. There are MANY!!!
You can avoid me until after primary, but right after your post of my screenshot I got a dear john letter from some one here based on your post telling me they were breaking up with me. I wondered if that was your goal. I am not stupid. I understand motivations and the innocent act is not amusing because I personally told you not to get all caught up in this like that and you are in fact SMARTER than your friends and YOU KNOW THAT. Therefore you know you should just say, 'sorry for posting the screenshots!' And realize it does not weaken your position but strengthens your character.

Because I thought DU'ers might want to know about a creepy place made of stalkers, bigots, and shitheads that for some reason are still allowed over here as group hosts and MIR members, despite having made their intentions very fucking clear that they intend to harass and stalk people for supporting the "wrong" candidate. A candidate that while on the democratic ticket, accepted as such even by Wasserman-Schultz, still catches every variety of fucking slur you can imagine among these people. I shared that antisemitic little shithole with DU for the exact same reason I keep bringing up that one of our more regular MIR was the active and eager moderator of an anti-arab Islamophobic hate site. Because I think people interacting with them ought to know what they're really getting into. That the person you're talking with on DU thinks it's cool to de-color a person of color because they're Jewish, or because they support the "wrong" candidate. That accusing a candidate of rape is funny and acceptable. A place where efforts to silence and defame their "peers" are planned and coordinated.

I had no idea that you had moved over there. I was actually rather surprised when someone else pointed out you were. After all, you'd told me in our PM conversations that you thought Clinton supporters were "fucking stupid."

Also, my post of your screenshot? Say what? Are you "Chae"? 'cause that's the only screenshot I snagged before your new chums shut the place down to outside viewing. And now you want me to apologize for something someone else did, too. Wow. I know BMUS got a screenshot of "Hillshouse" and their protocols-style conspiracy theory. but you're not Hillshouse either, are you?

And really, you're coming up with this picture of me twirling my mustache and cackling over the thought of "ruining" you by posting a screenshot of someone else's post. Jeeeesus but I'm Machiavellian! And apparently my world centers around you! Wow! it's like some daytime soap shit going on here, isn't it? I'm going to have to learn how to work a spreadsheet.

I dunno who I'm smarter than, or not. But I'm smart enough to know what I posted and what I didn't. Also smart enough to know that there's no reason for me to take any blame or offer any apologies for what other people do, on the basis of something I never did myself.

Why can I not condemn the entire group based on how they treated me personally, my friends, blm, and those stupid letters? I did not have to go anywhere to find op I hated that were bigoted and nasty and rude. Peooke even said nasty things in ops about me and how I was missed in tge name of the bern. So how am I or they any worse than you or them? I am not sending letters calking black folks race baiter and threatening them about alertes snd how they are outnumbered. To me that is way worse than running to another forum to complain about bernie. Period. Yiu guys are not my victims and had peooke not harassed blm, not calked black folks race baiters and nit sent letters to my damn home, this would not be happening. Did you check the posts of your group and stop posting with them after you saw them calling us race baiters? Did you check them on it? Did you speak up for me to them and tell them to knock it off? You know what silence is, consent, right? So you defend his jewishness which was never disregarded but no defense of blacks like me? Nice scoot.

Which is overwhelmingly brainless, frothing hate about all things Bernie, punctuated with plans to harass people on DU. Funny thing is? I judge the people posting there for what they're posting there. I don't do like you and judge Clinton herself based on that shit. I don't assume all Clinton supporters fit that mold. In fact i was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe it was just a port in the storm, but, guess not.

Matter of fact, I have taken on people who thought you were mailing yourself, or that "didntgettit" about why it's creepy and hostile. Sorry if i didn't fall over myself to get your back when you were calling white liberal Sanders supporters in Seattle (you know, like me?) white supremacists and insisting they're suffering from inherent pathologies and are dangerous in groups. I was kinda on my own timeout at the time (didn't see anyone giving me eulogies. maybe I didn't hate enough people hard enough.)

Now here you are, making shit up about me and demanding I apologize for it.

But the mass of race baiter posts? How should we judge that? Because I find that racist as hell as a black woman, seriously. And the constant trolling of aa? Who does that? Not Hillary supporters. Honestly I have had hundreds of posts calling me shitty things, way more than the 'brainless' posts you 'see' over there and I have not seen any change, just complaints that black issues are even being discussed. And complaints about the complaints about the race baiter posts. Please. I know who looks the worst in this situation and it ain't me.
But yeah, I guess I was wrong to say it was your fault about those screenshots, but I did not like it and did not like you calling me out in public with your 'dissappointment' cause you coulda pm'd me, got my number and we coulda hashed it out. That right there was dissappointing to ME. I thought we were cool and yeah, I'm human and yes, you did hurt me with your actions more than the people who I do not like did by calling me names. Gave them ammo, boy oh boy were some HAPPY for another excuse to trash me. You know that. I have no idea what y'all thought this was. Don't nobody send bullcrap to me without hearing about it day after day after day, nope! Not happnin. The environment was so toxic against blacks that people were crying about being called white supremacists by two wimen who were calling out a crowd in Seattle, and it took months for them to realize that those people did not know them and were not addressing them. Nobody even bothered to type 'white supremacy Seattle' into their browsers. Please.

Why shoukd I as a black woman overlook even one tiny piece of that when nobody even admits that they did anything wrong? How do we address racism if we can't even get people to own up to their dirt, but instead wanna focus on posts at a hillary site that they can't see most of the posts on? People are avioding their own guilt by projecting.
I had expected a BUNCH of omg we were so wrong, we are sorry for the trolling of as and race biter comments. Nope! Double down now it is race card and woman card and a bunch of rightwing terminology? Next time you are dissappointed, just pm me and call me at home, I do not want yr buddies to see us fight in public.

I told you they are not yr friends. But I still am. I like you. For you, not your politics but because you are you.

Well I do, I am kinda friendly. I came out swinging cause I had a lot to say and saw too much crap thrown my way. I do not really EXPECT any apologies, but I will let people know that yeah, that was bad and stop feeling themselves so much.

The folks I'm hanging out with are cool. Most of them were cool with me even when I was on Bernie. They did not switcharoo on me, any who did already talked it out with me and we made it good.

After the super tuesday and the bullshit that follows this type of shit is over and people will move on.

I sure hope you took issue with that same article when it was posted here in Israel/Palestine Group prior to it being posted at the HCS site. Actually they had a pretty good discussion about it there.

....he's CO-sponsored many and proposed amendments to many, but authored very few.

He's a follower, not a leader.

Hatred and anger cloud a persons judgement and poison their integrity.

Thanks, MADem.

And even if BLM decides to change their minds and endorse a candidate (which is certainly their prerogative to do so) the idea that BLM could endorse a candidate and it not be front page news over every newspaper, blog and tv show defies reason. And for good reason.

As I've said before countless times, I am BEYOND sick and tired of the dishonesty on DU about BLM. Earlier this week, another Bernie supporter was running around saying that BLM said that "Bernie gets it and Hillary does not" which is not even close to what they've actually said more than once. And the fact that 99% of the dishonesty comes out of this forum is particularly fascinating.

be headline news.

It would lead every nightly news show, and there would have been no way we would have missed it.

The cognitive dissonance is going to create a large explosion. I wonder how many people will stick around after that happens?

where they can post lies as truth ... and, rather than be challenged, it will be re-posted by one of your "friends."

from Black Lives Matter??! I was about to get a massive case of The Vapors!

I have no clue why they would even expect something like that. Maybe they thought blm had finally responded to all those Cornel West videos?

I very much doubt it, you are way to kick ass.

Hi. #23

"BLM" as an organization is not endorsing any candidates, Democratic OR Republican.

They just fired up a PAC, and they'll award and withhold their approval based on what they hear. They don't 'identify' with any party, either.

On the one side, we have Sanders supporters, some of whom are real asshat-racks. (For that matter, some Clinton supporters are real assholes too.) They've acted in a racist manner. It seems mildly unfair to hold that against the candidate--I mean, he has little control over whether he's supported by idiots. Trust me, I know...I ran for office and some of the people that endorsed me in town, I said/thought: "Christ almighty, I really don't want you on my side" and "Please shut up. I'm offended you're preaching my virtues." They endorse you and you're tarred with them whether you want to be or not.

On the other side, we have the actual policies Clinton has endorsed from the death penalty to the war on drugs to championing welfare reform during Bill's presidential term, something she has not ever apologized for or even declared a change of heart over...all of which are inherently racist in problematic ways that Clinton seems unwilling to address. (She also has her own BLM problems...which were why they endorsed Sanders.)

I'm just not sure how one ends up supporting the champion of racist policies over the person supported by racists despite opposing racist policies if one is concerned about racism.

Always has been and consistently so. Hillary is a trojan Horse who is backed by the oligarchy. The same Oligarchy that is making it hard for AAs to vote in states all over the country.

And only one side has self described fans harassing black people and refuses to address it.

I have this interesting post to show you, I'll quote it:

(This is not meant to be perfect, just an illustration of how some incidents go with some people; we both know that this is only a percentage of supporters)

...on social issues. It's that simple. You can vote for your own self interest, or you can vote against your own self interest. It's your vote.

If you believe more Oligarchy is the way to go for POC then by all means vote for her.

an issue. They would like to blame that on the wealthy, but it was they themselves, my fellow plebes of another persuasion who chose to enter into a full charge against us.

Honestly, Conservatives have not spent any energy interacting with me personally in a racist or negative way this entire season. I had more trash said about by from my fellow liberals, than from those jolly fellows at the Conservative Cave. I found that interesting, alarming, and very sad.

You don't have your own 'oligarchy'.

So you are now gushing positively for right wing Republicans? The ones who are implementing VOTER ID laws all over the country?

Hatred and anger cloud a persons judgement and poison their integrity.

She's telling you what her self-interest is. You can agree or disagree with that but those are her interests, not yours and you should not be speaking for her.

The country is too far to the right as it is. ID is now required to vote in 17 states. This is what happens as the country goes to the right. This is what happens when power is concentrated in the hands of an elite few. Rights go away. That is the road we are headed down. The right wing evolution of the Democratic party has to be reversed.

http://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_state

I guess bravenak just can't think for herself, poor woman. She needs to be told what is good for her.

FYI, that was sarcasm... you don't know me all that well.

Do you know where she stand NOW on the awful, poverty inducing Welfare Reform Bill that plunged mostly poor, minority singe mothers and their children into further poverty?

Bernie opposed it, because he predicted what it would do those women and children, correctly as we now know. Of course the Bill was a Far Right Dream Come True. They had been fighting to get it passed to 'stick it to those lazy women' for decades.

Hillary boasted about her role in getting votes for that bill, because, she as a Weathy Powerful White Woman knew what was best for those poor minority women.

I believe she even used the now familiar Conservative lingo to explain her support: 'We don't want to encourage dependency' as she helped remove the Social Safety Net that for decades had helped poor, minority women and children keep their heads above water.

So far she has not told us if she has 'evolved' on THAT issue yet. She was still boasting about her role in getting it passed in the last presidential campaign.

Btw, do you support that bill?

I have already discussed this with you over a year ago. No. I do not support welfare reform. Yes. I have seen the program abused so I understand the intentions. I think it failed in practice.

what has been a huge issue for two decades, at least for those who were the victims of that legislation and every advocacy group who are trying to get it rescinded.

It must be nice to be Hillary, so privileged, so powerful, to boast about her success in getting a Right Wing Bill passed in order to NOT encourage those women to become DEPENDENT.

How wonderful to come from a background of privilege and sit in judgement of those less fortunate, and worse, work hard, as she stated, to take even more from them.

The point was, your claim that Bernie is to the right of you. So my response to that was to wonder, how far to the Right of you is Hillary? Because Bernie is way, way to the Left of Hillary.

Anyhow, people have been pressing her to let us know if she has 'evolved' on her support for that bill. But so far, nothing.

I hope Bernie gets to raise that in the Debates. It is a hugely important issue for millions of struggling women and children who do not have the privileges of the woman who thought they had too much.

long history of supporting Civil Rights. Hillary, not so much. But if you want to talk about racism, how did YOU feel about Hillary's massvely insensitive use of the phrase 'All Lives Matter' one week after the horrific murders in Charleston. It so angered, rightly so, AAs because it showed that she was not even AWARE of the new Civil Riights Movement sparked by Ferguson. It was cringeworthy actually, and showed how disconnected and of how little important this huge issue is to her.

Bernie otoh, knew better. And he even defended Hillary against attacks for her insensitivity, stating he would not engage in personally attacking her.

He's a far nicer person than I am. She needed to explain that, but people like Bernie got her off the hook.

I wouldn't use the word 'racist' to describe her behavior, more like 'white privilege'. She simply cannot relate to people who are not of her class. She did after all, sponsor the Three Strikes law, another blow to AAs among other minorities and poor.

Thankfully, ot thanks to her, the SC finally struck down that bill, which most Democrats were appalled by. But not before many minorities and their families were seriously impacted by it.

Has she made any statements about her support for that, now struck down, legislation.

When even THIS court strikes it down, you know how far to the Right you had to be to support it to begin with.

I was talking about the grassroots and the nasty things said and done to black people in order to tear down blm. Hillary's camp had no parts in that. That waS MY reason for switching to Hillary. I saw that it was not organized and the worst voices got the most attention and were egged on. Had reasonable peopke stepped in or direction been provided, who knows? It is the job of group nember to correct each other when behaiving badly.

I addressed both comments. Still got no answer though. That's fine, if you want to support a very privileged right leaning politician you are certainly free to do so.

As NOT a member of the privileged class, I prefer my Representatives to represent MY class.

personally though I have a met a few, Hillary included. Kindness I expect from family and friends. Hillary certainly wasn't kind to minorities throughout her career.

However, that is not a factor for me, in opposing her. She has been just plain wrong with devastating and very unkind long lasting effects on the people of MY class.

She sounded 'kind' of course, but that is of no interest to me unless we are related in some way.

I watch what they DO and how what they DO affects the lives of others.

I don't much care what they say, no matter how 'kind' they may sound.

The other groups will just do what the majority thinks is important. Minorities will just be used for our votes and then offered crumbs and told we better like it.

People join GROUPS. We are social creatures. We do not live based on ideology, policy, or what other think we should live by. My sister is very conservative, but she votes Democratic because of the group dynamic on the right. If she followed your advice, she should vote Fiorina or Trump, both of whom she likes. But as a black woman, the group is not kind to her or black peopke, therefore she votes elsewise. She will vote Hillary in California because she hates the idea of Socialism spreading any further. She pays high taxes, works a good job at a college and an extra job as a caregiver and recently had three foster kids. She laughs at my attempts to feel the bern. She thinks that Socialism is a way of stopping black people from upward mobility, as we are starting to earn more money, so if course we need to tax her to death. She joke that now that Dr Dre has a billion, Bernie want to snatch some of that away.

People join groups.

They are in fact addressing this issue right now to politicians asking for their votes. Letting them know they will no longer be taken for granted.

We will vote Hillary. The polls agree.

Sickening...

A little late for that but it is an excellent point. Obama and Clinton both understand the power of networking. It is huge and is missing from Sanders career.