2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy an Iowa Poll Is Unfair to Bernie Sanders
One possibility is that Mrs. Clinton has made gains over the last few weeks, thanks to Joe Bidens withdrawal from the race or her performance in the Benghazi hearing. But another possibility is the sampling frame of the survey. There are good reasons to believe that the Monmouth poll excludes many voters who are supporting Mr. Sanders.
Whats a sampling frame? Basically, its the people who could be selected to participate in the survey. According to the Monmouth polls methodology description, the polls sample was drawn from a list of registered Democratic voters who voted in at least one of the last two state primary elections.
These two conditions being a registered Democrat and recent primary participation exclude many of Mr. Sanderss supporters.
Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/28/upshot/why-an-iowa-poll-is-unfair-to-bernie-sanders.html
It's just designer polling.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)It worked great for Rmoney and Rove!
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)is "unskewing" polls?
How?
The OP didn't write this. Nate Cohn at the NY Times did.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)all the way up to February 1st.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)I just voted in your favor in a jury against one of your "unskewing" drivels.
The reason I say this is because, I'm not against you, it isn't personal, but you are dead wrong.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Or one of the others?
Fearless
(18,421 posts)I consider it against the rules to point out such things which can be seen at the expense of others.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)Incidentally the post was not hidden.
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Fearless
(18,421 posts)Why does race matter here exactly?
How do you even pull the race card when both are quite glaringly neon white?
LexVegas
(6,060 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Celebrating a month of good news? Great. Being a cocky asshole throwing race around like it is your toy? Really shitty.
You just brought it from confidence and celebration to arrogance followed by a dog whistle.
it's just proof democrats are centrists corporate pro-war party.Liberals and progressivves can eather leave or just shut up and vote.
Polls confirm majority of dems agree with obama and dems in washington on
supporting TPP
hurting unions and working people
cutting social safety net of disabled and seniors
increasing defense spending
more war In middle east
LexVegas
(6,060 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)then yeah.
It's been great if your part of top 1% and like war.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)For years "progressives" have been tell those of us who were liberals that we were practically Teabaggers and authoritarians and all sorts of purgorative labels.
So sick of these twisted and manipulative labels.
FYI, I am a liberal and I am progressive. We may not agree on the same way to achieve goals, but I can assure you that your little list there is bs.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Put it to bed Bernie, you are wasting your time!
Fearless
(18,421 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Huh?
RandySF
(58,786 posts)I forgot.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)So even unaffiliated voters can register for the Democratic caucus at the door. Sanders has huge support amongst the unaffiliated camp, most of whom are fired up to hit the caucus so it will be interesting to see the outcome.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)or something.
RandySF
(58,786 posts)I am at lunch but there are plenty on links.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)caucus goers can register at the door.
RandySF
(58,786 posts)Thanks
frazzled
(18,402 posts)The Times article is right on this one.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)that people who never registered before turn up in droves we will have another Dewey defeats Truman, moment. So, I say let them be complacent, that usually works out for the front runner.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Here's a list of who is excluded, just off the top of my head:
1) Independents, Greens, etc. who were not registered as Dems., but who are re-registering
in huge numbers precisely so they can vote for Sanders in the primary.
2) Disaffected "eligible" voters who had completely given up on politics & voting due to being
disgusted by the Tweedle Dee v. Tweedle Dumb non-choices between "lesser-of-evil" candidates;
but who are registering as Democrats to vote for Bernie.
3) This poll was predominantly of over-50 voters, mostly leaving out one of Bernie's largest
demographics, i,e. Millennials & young activists who are totally thrilled by his candidacy.
4) Former Republicans who are justifiably disgusted with the GOP clown-car antics & tea-bagger crazies,
and who are re-registering as Dems so they can vote for Bernie.
brooklynite
(94,513 posts)...we have the claims of Sanders' supporters, but actual history (Dean 2004; Paul 2012) goes the other way.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)it's what real leaders do.
brooklynite
(94,513 posts)Nice bumper sticker though...
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Response to brooklynite (Reply #39)
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Robbins
(5,066 posts)I will be joining those who have completely given up on politics & Voting
The budget deal last night proves to those like me dems could care less about.so I intend to return the favor.
RandySF
(58,786 posts)And get crushed in SC, NV and Super Tuesday.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)But now I don't think he can even achieve that goal!
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)The real skew is that 76% of the respondents are from the over fifty crowd. Three quarters of the poll was from land line phones. Both of these tend to factor out Bernie Sanders supporters.
The great hidden secret of polling in America is that polling is becoming less and less accurate as more and more people make use of cell phones. Caller ID is also a killer as people don't want to answer calls that might be coming from telemarketers or bill collectors.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)There will be caucuses held in every precinct in every county. When you poll an entire state, it's not just the city folks who come to the caucuses. It's not only in the larger cities (of which there are few in IA) where people attend caucus meetings. Everyone counts. While in the college towns and cities, young voters may (or may not) come to the caucuses, all those rural counties out there also hold caucuses, too. Democrats there trend a lot older, frankly. When kids turn 18, they GTFO of those rural areas.
Iowa is a rural state, primarily. It's not like some other states, but is very much like a lot of midwestern states. Polling is different, and paying attention to what population actually attends these caucuses matters. And that's just what this poll did.
Go look at a map. You'll learn something very interesting about Iowa. Here's one:
riversedge
(70,200 posts)ALSO new Loras College poll finds Clinton leading Sanders, 65% to 24%, with OMalley at 3% http://politicalwire.com/2015/10/27/clinton-holds-massive-lead-in-iowa/ #Hillary16
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WillyT
(72,631 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)What's unfair is to look at a poll that screens for "likely voters" and then declare that HRC has suddenly jumped 40 points compared to other polls that haven't used the same screen.