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NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:06 PM Oct 2015

Why an Iowa Poll Is Unfair to Bernie Sanders

Most other polls have tended to show a tight race, but Monmouth shows a blowout. Why?

One possibility is that Mrs. Clinton has made gains over the last few weeks, thanks to Joe Biden’s withdrawal from the race or her performance in the Benghazi hearing. But another possibility is the sampling frame of the survey. There are good reasons to believe that the Monmouth poll excludes many voters who are supporting Mr. Sanders.

What’s a sampling frame? Basically, it’s the people who could be selected to participate in the survey. According to the Monmouth poll’s methodology description, the poll’s sample was drawn “from a list of registered Democratic voters who voted in at least one of the last two state primary elections.”

These two conditions — being a registered Democrat and recent primary participation — exclude many of Mr. Sanders’s supporters.

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/28/upshot/why-an-iowa-poll-is-unfair-to-bernie-sanders.html


It's just designer polling.
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Why an Iowa Poll Is Unfair to Bernie Sanders (Original Post) NorthCarolina Oct 2015 OP
Unskew those polls Bernie fans! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #1
Your statement is a non sequitur Fearless Oct 2015 #3
Posting a story written by a journalist whose affliation is unknown Fawke Em Oct 2015 #5
Another poll unskewing thread!!!!!!!! MohRokTah Oct 2015 #2
Again, a non sequitur. Fearless Oct 2015 #4
Keep unskewing those polls, you'll feel better... MohRokTah Oct 2015 #7
Just so you know Fearless Oct 2015 #8
Is it in this thread? Capt. Obvious Oct 2015 #20
If the poster wants to know I will send them the jury decision in their PM Fearless Oct 2015 #24
But it's not against the rules Capt. Obvious Oct 2015 #26
I, personally, believe it is akin to a call out Fearless Oct 2015 #32
Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #6
Wait, now Hillary isn't white?? Fearless Oct 2015 #9
The Race Card.... LexVegas Oct 2015 #13
Yes, stop using race as a political tool. Fearless Oct 2015 #15
Seriously. Take a break. Sanders is great on issues that concern minorities. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #10
No Robbins Oct 2015 #12
The last 8 years must have been miserable for you. nt LexVegas Oct 2015 #14
Considering obama and dems keep making me look like fool Robbins Oct 2015 #33
I'm really confused. Skidmore Oct 2015 #22
No kidding LOL workinclasszero Oct 2015 #16
Borderline ageism? Fearless Oct 2015 #31
? workinclasszero Oct 2015 #34
Is party registration required for the caucuses? RandySF Oct 2015 #11
You can register at the door. NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #17
NYTimes unskewing now Capt. Obvious Oct 2015 #18
Yes, party registration is required to take part in the caucus. RandySF Oct 2015 #19
As I pointed out above, NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #21
Saw that as soon as this posted RandySF Oct 2015 #25
Yes, but you can change registration at the event itself frazzled Oct 2015 #28
If this turns out to be true Kalidurga Oct 2015 #23
"being a registered Democrat & a recent primary voter" excludes huge numbers of Bernie voters 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #27
...none of which have an evidence trail for likelihood of voting... brooklynite Oct 2015 #30
Hint: Bernie is MAKING history, not repeating it. 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #38
Dean 2004; Paul 2012... brooklynite Oct 2015 #39
I rest my case. -nt- 99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #43
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #45
If clinton wins Robbins Oct 2015 #35
I actually expect Bernie to win Iowan and NH RandySF Oct 2015 #29
I thought it was possible for Bernie to win in Iowa and NC then get crushed Super Tuesday workinclasszero Oct 2015 #37
Actually, this is incomplete kenfrequed Oct 2015 #36
Go look at a map of Iowa with cities and counties shown. MineralMan Oct 2015 #40
Can the author unskew the new Loras College poll also of today? C 65, S 24..... riversedge Oct 2015 #41
K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #42
The poll itself isn't unfair, although it may be inaccurate. winter is coming Oct 2015 #44

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
5. Posting a story written by a journalist whose affliation is unknown
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:12 PM
Oct 2015

is "unskewing" polls?

How?

The OP didn't write this. Nate Cohn at the NY Times did.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
8. Just so you know
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:15 PM
Oct 2015

I just voted in your favor in a jury against one of your "unskewing" drivels.

The reason I say this is because, I'm not against you, it isn't personal, but you are dead wrong.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
24. If the poster wants to know I will send them the jury decision in their PM
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:26 PM
Oct 2015

I consider it against the rules to point out such things which can be seen at the expense of others.

Response to NorthCarolina (Original post)

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
9. Wait, now Hillary isn't white??
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:16 PM
Oct 2015

Why does race matter here exactly?

How do you even pull the race card when both are quite glaringly neon white?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
10. Seriously. Take a break. Sanders is great on issues that concern minorities.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:16 PM
Oct 2015

Celebrating a month of good news? Great. Being a cocky asshole throwing race around like it is your toy? Really shitty.

You just brought it from confidence and celebration to arrogance followed by a dog whistle.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
12. No
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:18 PM
Oct 2015

it's just proof democrats are centrists corporate pro-war party.Liberals and progressivves can eather leave or just shut up and vote.

Polls confirm majority of dems agree with obama and dems in washington on

supporting TPP
hurting unions and working people
cutting social safety net of disabled and seniors
increasing defense spending
more war In middle east

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
33. Considering obama and dems keep making me look like fool
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:36 PM
Oct 2015

then yeah.

It's been great if your part of top 1% and like war.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
22. I'm really confused.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:25 PM
Oct 2015

For years "progressives" have been tell those of us who were liberals that we were practically Teabaggers and authoritarians and all sorts of purgorative labels.

So sick of these twisted and manipulative labels.


FYI, I am a liberal and I am progressive. We may not agree on the same way to achieve goals, but I can assure you that your little list there is bs.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
17. You can register at the door.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:22 PM
Oct 2015

So even unaffiliated voters can register for the Democratic caucus at the door. Sanders has huge support amongst the unaffiliated camp, most of whom are fired up to hit the caucus so it will be interesting to see the outcome.

RandySF

(58,786 posts)
19. Yes, party registration is required to take part in the caucus.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:23 PM
Oct 2015

I am at lunch but there are plenty on links.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
23. If this turns out to be true
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:26 PM
Oct 2015

that people who never registered before turn up in droves we will have another Dewey defeats Truman, moment. So, I say let them be complacent, that usually works out for the front runner.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
27. "being a registered Democrat & a recent primary voter" excludes huge numbers of Bernie voters
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:28 PM
Oct 2015

Here's a list of who is excluded, just off the top of my head:
1) Independents, Greens, etc. who were not registered as Dems., but who are re-registering
in huge numbers precisely so they can vote for Sanders in the primary.
2) Disaffected "eligible" voters who had completely given up on politics & voting due to being
disgusted by the Tweedle Dee v. Tweedle Dumb non-choices between "lesser-of-evil" candidates;
but who are registering as Democrats to vote for Bernie.
3) This poll was predominantly of over-50 voters, mostly leaving out one of Bernie's largest
demographics, i,e. Millennials & young activists who are totally thrilled by his candidacy.
4) Former Republicans who are justifiably disgusted with the GOP clown-car antics & tea-bagger crazies,
and who are re-registering as Dems so they can vote for Bernie.

brooklynite

(94,513 posts)
30. ...none of which have an evidence trail for likelihood of voting...
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:32 PM
Oct 2015

...we have the claims of Sanders' supporters, but actual history (Dean 2004; Paul 2012) goes the other way.

Response to brooklynite (Reply #39)

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
35. If clinton wins
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:38 PM
Oct 2015

I will be joining those who have completely given up on politics & Voting

The budget deal last night proves to those like me dems could care less about.so I intend to return the favor.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
37. I thought it was possible for Bernie to win in Iowa and NC then get crushed Super Tuesday
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:40 PM
Oct 2015

But now I don't think he can even achieve that goal!

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
36. Actually, this is incomplete
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:38 PM
Oct 2015

The real skew is that 76% of the respondents are from the over fifty crowd. Three quarters of the poll was from land line phones. Both of these tend to factor out Bernie Sanders supporters.

The great hidden secret of polling in America is that polling is becoming less and less accurate as more and more people make use of cell phones. Caller ID is also a killer as people don't want to answer calls that might be coming from telemarketers or bill collectors.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
40. Go look at a map of Iowa with cities and counties shown.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:59 PM
Oct 2015

There will be caucuses held in every precinct in every county. When you poll an entire state, it's not just the city folks who come to the caucuses. It's not only in the larger cities (of which there are few in IA) where people attend caucus meetings. Everyone counts. While in the college towns and cities, young voters may (or may not) come to the caucuses, all those rural counties out there also hold caucuses, too. Democrats there trend a lot older, frankly. When kids turn 18, they GTFO of those rural areas.

Iowa is a rural state, primarily. It's not like some other states, but is very much like a lot of midwestern states. Polling is different, and paying attention to what population actually attends these caucuses matters. And that's just what this poll did.

Go look at a map. You'll learn something very interesting about Iowa. Here's one:

riversedge

(70,200 posts)
41. Can the author unskew the new Loras College poll also of today? C 65, S 24.....
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 03:00 PM
Oct 2015


ALSO new Loras College poll finds Clinton leading Sanders, 65% to 24%, with O’Malley at 3% http://politicalwire.com/2015/10/27/clinton-holds-massive-lead-in-iowa/ … #Hillary16
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winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
44. The poll itself isn't unfair, although it may be inaccurate.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:48 PM
Oct 2015

What's unfair is to look at a poll that screens for "likely voters" and then declare that HRC has suddenly jumped 40 points compared to other polls that haven't used the same screen.

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