2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders campaign: No more Mr. Nice Guy
CNN
By Eric Bradner
Updated October 27, 2015
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- When Bernie Sanders launched his 2016 presidential bid, he swore off negative campaigning.
Months later, the Vermont senator is signally that he's increasingly willing to take personal shots at his chief rival in the Democratic primary, a little more than three months from the Iowa caucuses.
In Sanders' view, he's finishing what Hillary Clinton started -- first in the opening Democratic debate, when she assailed his moderate record on guns: then in the Iowa Jefferson-Jackson Dinner, where she suggested his criticism of both sides' "shouting" on gun laws was a gender-based attack on her.
Sanders' senior strategist, Tad Devine, says the campaign is reacting to Clinton's attacks.
"If they're going to have a campaign that attacks Bernie on gun safety, and implies he engages in sexism, that's unacceptable," Devine told POLITICO.
"We're not going to stand for that...We're not going to sit here and let her attack him.
We're going to have to talk about other things if they do that," Devine said.
"If they're going to engage in this kind of attack, they need to understand we're not going to stand there and take it."
More:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/26/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-attacks/index.html
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Sanders has to do something.
He's desperate.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)He hoped Hillary would stick to the issues, but since she has gone negative he has no choice but to point out how wrong she is for America.
On DU, we have never been quite so constrained as Bernie and have smashed the opposition and made them cry. Hopefully they will get over their PUMA mindset and pledge to vote for Bernie?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)There's a fitting George Bernard Shaw quote about wrestling barnyard animals.
Broward
(1,976 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)A very very big difference. Some here will be so blinded by their love of Hillary however, they won't see the difference.
red dog 1
(27,783 posts)Just read the HRC supporters' responses to this thread.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)It almost appears from the article posted, that Bernie made the statement that he would not go negative because he assumed no one would go negative on him. Really? why would he assume something like that in Primary Politics especially when all of his followers had already decided Clinton was going to go negative? Surely he had to have known that someone would go negative on him...and yet he still made that statement. He had to have known that regardless of this "noble" statement, someone would have gone negative on him .... and now Bernie's team are acting surprised that it happened so they have to kick back?
I think the reason he is fighting back is that he never really intended his candidacy to be viable and it was an easy statement to make back then. But now that he's feeling more spunky and like he has a decent campaign, he actually has to play the political gamesmanship.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)He will look like a grumpy old man. He represents 25% of Dems. He has no policies to interest the other 75%.
This telling voters to back your guy because he is principled and has been forever and nobody else is, doesn't inspire people. It's sounds elitist.
artislife
(9,497 posts)He isn't for Monsanto
Hillary likes Monsanto money.
Look at Monsanto and the after effects.
http://overgrowthesystem.com/argentina-the-country-that-monsanto-poisoned-photo-essay/
ismnotwasm
(41,968 posts)Did they really say "engages in sexism"??
red dog 1
(27,783 posts)..and IMPLIES he engages in sexism, that's unacceptable," Devine told POLITICO.
ismnotwasm
(41,968 posts)That's kinda funny
red dog 1
(27,783 posts)You're easily amused.
ismnotwasm
(41,968 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)yep
ismnotwasm
(41,968 posts)I consider it a virtue..
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Hillary got him with the old rope a dope trick!
Keep punching Bernie!
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)This is a desperate act that is doomed to fail. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see MOM really start creeping up on Bernie, soon, as his supporters begin to abandon ship.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Apparently didn't go over to well in Iowa eh?
frylock
(34,825 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)The weapon sales to Saudi Arabia in consideration for their donations to the Clinton Global Initiative and the Clinton Family fund. It's already been reported but the MSM looked the other way. Time to stop being nice and letting her kick you in the teeth.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Sanders won't be losing supporters.
DianeK
(975 posts)we have yet to see Senator Sanders 'go negative'...he is defending his position on the ISSUES...isn't that what the primary process is about? It was Hillary that implied in such an oh so clever way that Senator Sanders is somehow sexist! Hillary really needs to get better writers
From Hillary Clinton's speech at the Jefferson-Jackson Dinner:
"Now, I've been told to stop shouting about ending gun violence.
Well, I haven't been shouting but sometimes when a woman speaks out some people think it's shouting."
Who, exactly, ever "told" HRC to "stop shouting about ending gun violence"?
Did Bernie ever say that?
DianeK
(975 posts)Hillary twisted his words to make it sound as though he were referring to her personally..but this is the quote from Bernie:
"As the senator from a rural state, what I can tell Secretary Clinton is that all the shouting in the world is not gonna do what I would hope all of us want, which is to keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have those guns, and end this horrible violence that we are seeing. I believe that there is a consensus in this country. A consensus that says we need to strengthen and expand instant background checks, do away with this gun show loophole, that we have to address the issue of mental health, that we have to deal with the straw-man purchasing issue, and that when we develop that consensus we can finally do something."
red dog 1
(27,783 posts)Excellent post!
90 percent of Americans, and even a large majority of NRA members are for universal background checks; however, NRA leadership opposes universal background checks.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)would not be appropriate
red dog 1
(27,783 posts)red dog 1
(27,783 posts)72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)Between him and Hillary. He also said he would answer any negative attacks against him. Last night on the Maddow show, he said he was getting ready for more negative attacks.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)unless you include highlighting policy differences as going negative
nice try though
red dog 1
(27,783 posts)Don't "kill the messenger"
I just posted the CNN article by Eric Bradner.
Go complain to him!
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)my bad.
red dog 1
(27,783 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)BootinUp
(47,094 posts)DianeK
(975 posts)this is only October...we still have a way to go and unless you are of a tender age you understand that things can change on a dime..so a good couple of weeks for Hillary in October can quickly change into a bank up Holiday season for Bernie..so my advice would be to check that gloat
BootinUp
(47,094 posts)Leads of the magnitude I am seeing here do not turn on a dime 100 days out. Sorry.