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red dog 1

(27,783 posts)
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 03:30 PM Oct 2015

Bernie Sanders campaign: No more Mr. Nice Guy

CNN
By Eric Bradner
Updated October 27, 2015

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- When Bernie Sanders launched his 2016 presidential bid, he swore off negative campaigning.

Months later, the Vermont senator is signally that he's increasingly willing to take personal shots at his chief rival in the Democratic primary, a little more than three months from the Iowa caucuses.

In Sanders' view, he's finishing what Hillary Clinton started -- first in the opening Democratic debate, when she assailed his moderate record on guns: then in the Iowa Jefferson-Jackson Dinner, where she suggested his criticism of both sides' "shouting" on gun laws was a gender-based attack on her.

Sanders' senior strategist, Tad Devine, says the campaign is reacting to Clinton's attacks.

"If they're going to have a campaign that attacks Bernie on gun safety, and implies he engages in sexism, that's unacceptable," Devine told POLITICO.

"We're not going to stand for that...We're not going to sit here and let her attack him.
We're going to have to talk about other things if they do that," Devine said.
"If they're going to engage in this kind of attack, they need to understand we're not going to stand there and take it."

More:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/26/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-attacks/index.html

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Bernie Sanders campaign: No more Mr. Nice Guy (Original Post) red dog 1 Oct 2015 OP
Good! Politics, in a democracy, isn't supposed to be a polite exchange of pleasantries. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #1
Hillary has a ton of momentum after the debate and the Benghazi hearing Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #2
He's always been the underdog RobertEarl Oct 2015 #7
The low road has more hazards for Sanders than Clinton. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2015 #3
He should have taken the gloves off a long time ago. Broward Oct 2015 #4
There is a difference between not being negative and pointing out flaws in an opponent Fearless Oct 2015 #5
You're absolutely right! red dog 1 Oct 2015 #14
Well that was fast. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #6
interesting evolution on those particular principles. Sheepshank Oct 2015 #8
Taking lessons from his supporters I guess. upaloopa Oct 2015 #9
Some people care about what he cares about artislife Oct 2015 #36
It was only a matter of time ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #10
"If they're going to have a campaign that attacks Bernie on gun safety, red dog 1 Oct 2015 #13
Oh Wow. ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #16
Oh Wow. red dog 1 Oct 2015 #17
True that ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #29
Should have guessed that about you, right? demwing Oct 2015 #32
If you like ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #39
Bernies on the ropes workinclasszero Oct 2015 #11
"Angry socialist" won't play well taught_me_patience Oct 2015 #12
Yeah that 20 minutes of screaming at the audience at the JJ dinner then walking out workinclasszero Oct 2015 #15
At least not among the Golden Corral crowd. frylock Oct 2015 #23
Time for Bernie to mention floriduck Oct 2015 #38
Dream on. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #26
i think this is just a tad premature.. DianeK Oct 2015 #18
+ 1 red dog 1 Oct 2015 #19
no..not exactly.. DianeK Oct 2015 #22
Thanks for clearing that up red dog 1 Oct 2015 #24
As long as they dont bring up Vince Foster and Hillary that INdemo Oct 2015 #20
I agree red dog 1 Oct 2015 #21
I'll bet Donald Trump does bring up the Vince Foster affair if HRC gets the nomination. red dog 1 Oct 2015 #25
Please proceed, Senator. 72DejaVu Oct 2015 #27
Bernie always said he would draw contrast azmom Oct 2015 #28
he isn't going negative restorefreedom Oct 2015 #30
"nice try though"?? red dog 1 Oct 2015 #31
ooops i should have said "nice try cnn" thats what i meant. restorefreedom Oct 2015 #33
Thanks for clearing that up. red dog 1 Oct 2015 #34
glad i got a chance to....totally missed it. nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #37
The harder he attacks the faster his poll numbers will drop. nt BootinUp Oct 2015 #35
stay tuned.. DianeK Oct 2015 #40
Thanks for the advice, not too tender here BootinUp Oct 2015 #41
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
2. Hillary has a ton of momentum after the debate and the Benghazi hearing
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 03:33 PM
Oct 2015

Sanders has to do something.

He's desperate.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
7. He's always been the underdog
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 03:43 PM
Oct 2015

He hoped Hillary would stick to the issues, but since she has gone negative he has no choice but to point out how wrong she is for America.

On DU, we have never been quite so constrained as Bernie and have smashed the opposition and made them cry. Hopefully they will get over their PUMA mindset and pledge to vote for Bernie?

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
3. The low road has more hazards for Sanders than Clinton.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 03:34 PM
Oct 2015

There's a fitting George Bernard Shaw quote about wrestling barnyard animals.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
5. There is a difference between not being negative and pointing out flaws in an opponent
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 03:37 PM
Oct 2015

A very very big difference. Some here will be so blinded by their love of Hillary however, they won't see the difference.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
8. interesting evolution on those particular principles.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 03:46 PM
Oct 2015

It almost appears from the article posted, that Bernie made the statement that he would not go negative because he assumed no one would go negative on him. Really? why would he assume something like that in Primary Politics especially when all of his followers had already decided Clinton was going to go negative? Surely he had to have known that someone would go negative on him...and yet he still made that statement. He had to have known that regardless of this "noble" statement, someone would have gone negative on him .... and now Bernie's team are acting surprised that it happened so they have to kick back?

I think the reason he is fighting back is that he never really intended his candidacy to be viable and it was an easy statement to make back then. But now that he's feeling more spunky and like he has a decent campaign, he actually has to play the political gamesmanship.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
9. Taking lessons from his supporters I guess.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 03:47 PM
Oct 2015

He will look like a grumpy old man. He represents 25% of Dems. He has no policies to interest the other 75%.
This telling voters to back your guy because he is principled and has been forever and nobody else is, doesn't inspire people. It's sounds elitist.

red dog 1

(27,783 posts)
13. "If they're going to have a campaign that attacks Bernie on gun safety,
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:04 PM
Oct 2015

..and IMPLIES he engages in sexism, that's unacceptable," Devine told POLITICO.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
12. "Angry socialist" won't play well
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:02 PM
Oct 2015

This is a desperate act that is doomed to fail. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see MOM really start creeping up on Bernie, soon, as his supporters begin to abandon ship.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
15. Yeah that 20 minutes of screaming at the audience at the JJ dinner then walking out
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:10 PM
Oct 2015

Apparently didn't go over to well in Iowa eh?

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
38. Time for Bernie to mention
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:41 PM
Oct 2015

The weapon sales to Saudi Arabia in consideration for their donations to the Clinton Global Initiative and the Clinton Family fund. It's already been reported but the MSM looked the other way. Time to stop being nice and letting her kick you in the teeth.

 

DianeK

(975 posts)
18. i think this is just a tad premature..
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:45 PM
Oct 2015

we have yet to see Senator Sanders 'go negative'...he is defending his position on the ISSUES...isn't that what the primary process is about? It was Hillary that implied in such an oh so clever way that Senator Sanders is somehow sexist! Hillary really needs to get better writers

red dog 1

(27,783 posts)
19. + 1
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:56 PM
Oct 2015

From Hillary Clinton's speech at the Jefferson-Jackson Dinner:

"Now, I've been told to stop shouting about ending gun violence.
Well, I haven't been shouting but sometimes when a woman speaks out some people think it's shouting."

Who, exactly, ever "told" HRC to "stop shouting about ending gun violence"?

Did Bernie ever say that?

 

DianeK

(975 posts)
22. no..not exactly..
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:24 PM
Oct 2015

Hillary twisted his words to make it sound as though he were referring to her personally..but this is the quote from Bernie:


"As the senator from a rural state, what I can tell Secretary Clinton is that all the shouting in the world is not gonna do what I would hope all of us want, which is to keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have those guns, and end this horrible violence that we are seeing. I believe that there is a consensus in this country. A consensus that says we need to strengthen and expand instant background checks, do away with this gun show loophole, that we have to address the issue of mental health, that we have to deal with the straw-man purchasing issue, and that when we develop that consensus we can finally do something."

red dog 1

(27,783 posts)
24. Thanks for clearing that up
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:03 PM
Oct 2015

Excellent post!

90 percent of Americans, and even a large majority of NRA members are for universal background checks; however, NRA leadership opposes universal background checks.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
28. Bernie always said he would draw contrast
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:14 PM
Oct 2015

Between him and Hillary. He also said he would answer any negative attacks against him. Last night on the Maddow show, he said he was getting ready for more negative attacks.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
30. he isn't going negative
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:18 PM
Oct 2015

unless you include highlighting policy differences as going negative

nice try though

red dog 1

(27,783 posts)
31. "nice try though"??
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:22 PM
Oct 2015

Don't "kill the messenger"

I just posted the CNN article by Eric Bradner.

Go complain to him!

 

DianeK

(975 posts)
40. stay tuned..
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:59 PM
Oct 2015

this is only October...we still have a way to go and unless you are of a tender age you understand that things can change on a dime..so a good couple of weeks for Hillary in October can quickly change into a bank up Holiday season for Bernie..so my advice would be to check that gloat

BootinUp

(47,094 posts)
41. Thanks for the advice, not too tender here
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:03 PM
Oct 2015

Leads of the magnitude I am seeing here do not turn on a dime 100 days out. Sorry.

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