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So lets recap: Bernie comes out swinging at Hillary (Original Post) workinclasszero Oct 2015 OP
A very "scientific" set of polls. Fearless Oct 2015 #1
The polling outfit that did the first poll is rated A- by Nate Silver's FiveThrityEight workinclasszero Oct 2015 #2
A non sequitur statement Fearless Oct 2015 #3
I get it workinclasszero Oct 2015 #5
You can't have it both ways. Fearless Oct 2015 #25
And what makes you say that? mythology Oct 2015 #6
Their polling sample being poorly representative Fearless Oct 2015 #26
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #9
March 1st 2016 workinclasszero Oct 2015 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #21
I look forward to it workinclasszero Oct 2015 #24
March 2nd 2016 frylock Oct 2015 #33
Selzer has an A+ rating, and they had Hillary up only 7 jfern Oct 2015 #47
We'll see the effects of Bernie's new campaign strategy in a few weeks' time. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #4
Yep more debates, name recognition, upaloopa Oct 2015 #10
He did so well in the first debate? DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #12
Actually yes. Fearless Oct 2015 #27
Yes...He turned the race into a blowout in Hillary's favor./nt DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #28
If you say so. Fearless Oct 2015 #29
The polls say so...I am merely the messenger./nt DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #30
People only listen to polls they agree with. Fearless Oct 2015 #39
I am a logical positivist and consequently look at all the scientific polls or aggregates./nt DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #41
And I am a pigeon dressed in a tuxedo attending a Taylor Swift concert. Fearless Oct 2015 #42
Do you have a photo? That would be cool./nt DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #43
Yes, Yes, Yes, Not Really. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #14
Watching the Benghazi committee hearings upaloopa Oct 2015 #7
Most people were at work.. frylock Oct 2015 #34
Rope A Dope DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #8
Exactly workinclasszero Oct 2015 #11
I can't help it. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #18
They came in really solid as he aged and his reflexes slowed... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #23
from C & L: Bernie attacks. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2015 #13
Gloating is ugly and premature at this point. nt thereismore Oct 2015 #15
Oh I've had months of condescending insults workinclasszero Oct 2015 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #22
Someone called you a pig? DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #35
Yup workinclasszero Oct 2015 #44
Context ? DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #45
I was defending Hillary a little to hard I guess? workinclasszero Oct 2015 #46
No apologies asked for, sorry. And your victory lap is still premature. nt thereismore Oct 2015 #37
Well, they don't like it anyway. They got nothing so they attack you for "gloating".. shame Cha Oct 2015 #38
Premature gloating has been going on for more than half a year.. frylock Oct 2015 #36
He really isn't attacking. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #17
Hooray for the Third Way. Broward Oct 2015 #20
Woohoo more corporate rule. azmom Oct 2015 #31
Hillary came out swinging, Bernie counterpunched.. frylock Oct 2015 #32
None Here! nt BootinUp Oct 2015 #40
He appears to have suffered a meme malfunction. ucrdem Oct 2015 #48
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
2. The polling outfit that did the first poll is rated A- by Nate Silver's FiveThrityEight
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:02 PM
Oct 2015

Nice try though, keep punching Bernie fans!

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
25. You can't have it both ways.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:05 PM
Oct 2015

Either all polls have to be "scientific" regardless of outcome or it isn't a requirement. Which one is it?

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
6. And what makes you say that?
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:09 PM
Oct 2015

Are there potential issues with their polling sample, it is still a scientific poll. It attempts to control for the most likely voters and the demographics of the expected electorate.

It's not unscientific because you don't like the outcome.

Response to workinclasszero (Reply #2)

Response to workinclasszero (Reply #19)

jfern

(5,204 posts)
47. Selzer has an A+ rating, and they had Hillary up only 7
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:42 PM
Oct 2015

And the other 2 post-debate polls were only 4 points off from that, in both directions.
A+, B+ and, C+ rated pollsters in strong agreement beat an A- and a not rated pollster.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
4. We'll see the effects of Bernie's new campaign strategy in a few weeks' time.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:08 PM
Oct 2015

Even then, it might take another debate before there's much movement one way or the other.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
10. Yep more debates, name recognition,
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:12 PM
Oct 2015

it's early, MSM is for Hillary and against Bernie.
I probably missed a few.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
7. Watching the Benghazi committee hearings
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:10 PM
Oct 2015

a person would think attacking Hillary is shooting yourself in the foot.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
18. I can't help it.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:48 PM
Oct 2015

I so dislike watching footage of Ali performing the rope a dope. Most all shots missed or were just glancing, but some came in really solid. My father would show me this footage when I was younger. He explained the strategy and I saw the strategy and beauty when at least one talented fighter was in the ring. Yet footage of what is one of the most solid strategies that really hasnt been duplicated to the same level bothers me to watch these days.

Don't get me wrong, it's spot on and I don't find it to be offensive.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
23. They came in really solid as he aged and his reflexes slowed...
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:55 PM
Oct 2015

But he was a warrior with the heart of a lion.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,108 posts)
13. from C & L: Bernie attacks.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:22 PM
Oct 2015

I think there is a commonality within both parties for underdogs rising in the polls. It's in how they handle unexpected success.

We see total crazy from the GOP base along with Carson and Trump. Bernie wants to stay true to his promise, but I think his supporters are pushing him on this. And it could totally backfire.

"....Biden's out, Bernie's stuck in the polls, and we needed an excuse to go negative. This is the best we could come up with."

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/10/heres-campaign-strategy-search-rationale

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
16. Oh I've had months of condescending insults
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:35 PM
Oct 2015

a banning, being called a pig which a Bernie packed jury was fine with, called a tool of wall street and a stooge of the oligarchy by Bernie fans.

So I'm taking a victory lap this morning, I deserve it like the few Hillary fans here that haven't been driven off yet deserve the hell out of it!

No apologies forthcoming sorry.

Response to workinclasszero (Reply #16)

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
44. Yup
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:25 PM
Oct 2015

A Bernie jury didn't see anything wrong with it either.

But its all good. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel now.

Go Hillary!

Cha

(297,091 posts)
38. Well, they don't like it anyway. They got nothing so they attack you for "gloating".. shame
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:53 PM
Oct 2015

on you for having some fun! There will be none of that.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
36. Premature gloating has been going on for more than half a year..
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:44 PM
Oct 2015

and than they yelp when people respond in kind.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
17. He really isn't attacking.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:41 PM
Oct 2015

Except for going after republicans, Hillary hasn't really either. Don't let du fool you, this is one of the most polite primaries between democratic candidates I have ever seen. The media is going to move on to this narrative now as Joe made it final and there isn't a strong race. They could care less about reporting policy, what else do they have at this point.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
32. Hillary came out swinging, Bernie counterpunched..
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:38 PM
Oct 2015

All those Boomers are going to overwhelmed by the caucus kids all up on their lawn.

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