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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:02 PM Oct 2015

PPP (D) Clinton rising in North Carolina-Clinton -61% Sanders 24%





PPP's new North Carolina poll finds Hillary Clinton with her largest lead in the state since May. 61% of Democrats in the state support Clinton to 24% for Bernie Sanders, 5% for Martin O'Malley, and 2% for Lawrence Lessig. A month ago Clinton led 51/23 in a Joe Biden-less field and these numbers suggest that pretty much everyone who's made up their mind since then has gone into her camp.

North Carolina provides more evidence of Clinton's favorability numbers improving over the last month. She's gone up a net 9 points from +34 (63/29) in September to now +43 (67/24). Her lead is pretty steady across the board- she gets 74% with African Americans, 66% with seniors, 65% with liberals, 62% with women, 60% with men, 58% with moderates, and 57% with whites. The group where Sanders come closest is with younger voters, but even there Clinton still has a 50/34 advantage.


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PPP (D) Clinton rising in North Carolina-Clinton -61% Sanders 24% (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 OP
African American voters: Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #1
Do you like my Jordan 23 Tar Heel jersey image? DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #2
I actually MrWendel Oct 2015 #4
Very cool! Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #6
I think that GOP circus trial did her a world sufrommich Oct 2015 #3
Clearly numbers have a Hillary bias. onehandle Oct 2015 #5
...a state they expect her to lose. jeff47 Oct 2015 #7
Clinton's favorability w/NC Dems has improved a net 9 points in last month, and her lead over Sander riversedge Oct 2015 #8
we have won the Presidency without NC dsc Oct 2015 #11
Yes, but "She's doing great in a state we will lose" is not a fantastic accomplishment. (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #15
Right now, it's the nomination that is at stake, not MineralMan Oct 2015 #18
Because losing in most head-to-heads jeff47 Oct 2015 #19
I think North Carolina might surprise everyone in the General, MineralMan Oct 2015 #20
Um....No. jeff47 Oct 2015 #21
Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #12
Could you quote where I said any other Democrat would win NC? jeff47 Oct 2015 #16
Clinton at 74% w blacks, 66% w seniors, 65% w liberals, 62% w women, 60% w men, 58% w moderates, 57% riversedge Oct 2015 #9
Clinton's favorability w/NC Dems has improved a net 9 pts in last mont & her lead over Sanders UP 9 riversedge Oct 2015 #10
Looking great for the primary and the GE Persondem Oct 2015 #13
All polls now show Hillary the winner. madfloridian Oct 2015 #14
Those numbers are about to reflect in national polling as well. MineralMan Oct 2015 #17

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
7. ...a state they expect her to lose.
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:24 PM
Oct 2015
It's still not a great picture for her there- she trails 6 out of 8 of the GOP hopefuls we tested

riversedge

(70,074 posts)
8. Clinton's favorability w/NC Dems has improved a net 9 points in last month, and her lead over Sander
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:54 PM
Oct 2015

slow but sure.. That is Hillary



Clinton's favorability w/NC Dems has improved a net 9 points in last month, and her lead over Sanders is also up 9: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/10/clinton-rising-in-north-carolina.html
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PublicPolicyPolling ?@ppppolls 4h4 hours ago

Our new NC poll finds Hillary Clinton w/ her best standing since May- Clinton 61, Sanders 24, O'Malley 5, Lessig 2: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/10/clinton-rising-in-north-carolina.html

dsc

(52,152 posts)
11. we have won the Presidency without NC
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:34 PM
Oct 2015

in 1992, 1996, 2012. Also winning here will depend upon our local races as much as anything. We will have a governor's races that is polling as a toss up (GOP incumbent) and a Senate races that is polling as a lean GOP (again GOP incumbent). If we can have those races be close we might pull out NC like we did in 2008 (when Hagan won by 8 and Perdue won by about 2 and Obama won by less than 1).

MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
18. Right now, it's the nomination that is at stake, not
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 10:39 AM
Oct 2015

the general election. These polls are about that and nothing else. After it's clear who the candidates will be for both parties, we can all start thinking about polls that deal with the general election. Since nobody has any idea who the GOP nominee will be at this point, there's no way to get a good feel on general election numbers.

MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
20. I think North Carolina might surprise everyone in the General,
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 10:45 AM
Oct 2015

and I think Clinton will campaign there if she wins the nomination, too.

It all depends on which of the GOP Clown Car riders ends up with the nomination. There's no way I would even try to predict that. It's too nutsy.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
21. Um....No.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 10:55 AM
Oct 2015

See, I actually live here. Makes me a bit more aware of what is actually going on. We will need mops at the polls to clean up after the Republicans orgasam when they vote against Clinton.

The only way for a Democrat to win NC is to overcome the rural/urban divide. Obama could only do it in 2008, with an anti-status-quo campaign that inspired massive Democratic turnout. He lost the state in 2012 when "Hope and Change" didn't actually happen. And it's not like Romney was an inspiring candidate.

Clinton gets a "meh" from the voters she would need to win NC, and an "I WILL VOTE TO DESTROY HER!!!!" from the Republicans in NC. That makes NC an extremely difficult state to win for her, and there are much easier states to win in order to get 270.

If she wins the nomination and campaigns here, it is a waste of time and money. Just as much as the Republican candidate campaigning in NY.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
12. Res ipsa loquitur
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:36 PM
Oct 2015
Bernie Sanders does an average of about 5 points worse than Clinton in head to head match ups against the same roster of Republicans. He trails Ted Cruz 45/41, Jeb Bush 46/40, Donald Trump 48/41, and Ben Carson 48/37.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
16. Could you quote where I said any other Democrat would win NC?
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 10:33 AM
Oct 2015

There's no way Clinton can win NC. An "outsider" like Sanders or O'Malley have a slim, but unlikely shot.

And there's much easier states to win in order to get 270, so no Democrat will campaign here to change that.

riversedge

(70,074 posts)
9. Clinton at 74% w blacks, 66% w seniors, 65% w liberals, 62% w women, 60% w men, 58% w moderates, 57%
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:54 PM
Oct 2015



PublicPolicyPolling ?@ppppolls 4h4 hours ago

Clinton at 74% w blacks, 66% w seniors, 65% w liberals, 62% w women, 60% w men, 58% w moderates, 57% w whites in NC: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/10/clinton-rising-in-north-carolina.html
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PublicPolicyPolling ?@ppppolls 4h4 hours ago

riversedge

(70,074 posts)
10. Clinton's favorability w/NC Dems has improved a net 9 pts in last mont & her lead over Sanders UP 9
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:29 PM
Oct 2015


PublicPolicyPolling ?@ppppolls 7h7 hours ago

Clinton's favorability w/NC Dems has improved a net 9 points in last month, and her lead over Sanders is also up 9: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/10/clinton-rising-in-north-carolina.html
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PublicPolicyPolling ?@ppppolls 7h7 hours ago

Our new NC poll finds Hillary Clinton w/ her best standing since May- Clinton 61, Sanders 24, O'Malley 5, Lessig 2: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/10/clinton-rising-in-north-carolina.html
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Persondem

(1,936 posts)
13. Looking great for the primary and the GE
Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:20 PM
Oct 2015

Thank you for posting. I guess NC has quite a few voters with sense after all. It's been hard to tell the last few years.

K & R

MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
17. Those numbers are about to reflect in national polling as well.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 10:37 AM
Oct 2015

We're still waiting for the next round of national polling to be published. Last week, I predicted that they would show about a 60-30% split between Clinton and Sanders. I'm sticking with those numbers still. So far, there's only been the Gravis poll, and it shows something close to that.

So, I'm thinking these North Carolina numbers are going to be close to what shows up nationally this week. We'll see. Biden's decision not to run, along with Hillary's performance in the last debate and at the Benghazi hearing, are going to send most of Biden's numbers to her, and O'Malley's like to pick up a few percentage points as well.

That's what I think we're going to see this week.

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