2016 Postmortem
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PPP's new North Carolina poll finds Hillary Clinton with her largest lead in the state since May. 61% of Democrats in the state support Clinton to 24% for Bernie Sanders, 5% for Martin O'Malley, and 2% for Lawrence Lessig. A month ago Clinton led 51/23 in a Joe Biden-less field and these numbers suggest that pretty much everyone who's made up their mind since then has gone into her camp.
North Carolina provides more evidence of Clinton's favorability numbers improving over the last month. She's gone up a net 9 points from +34 (63/29) in September to now +43 (67/24). Her lead is pretty steady across the board- she gets 74% with African Americans, 66% with seniors, 65% with liberals, 62% with women, 60% with men, 58% with moderates, and 57% with whites. The group where Sanders come closest is with younger voters, but even there Clinton still has a 50/34 advantage.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Hillary 74%
Bernie 14%
Yikes!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)eom
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)own one of those. Not easy to get but worth it.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)of good. Thanks GOP!
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Take the numbers out and the race gets Much More Competitive.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)riversedge
(70,074 posts)slow but sure.. That is Hillary
Clinton's favorability w/NC Dems has improved a net 9 points in last month, and her lead over Sanders is also up 9: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/10/clinton-rising-in-north-carolina.html
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PublicPolicyPolling ?@ppppolls 4h4 hours ago
Our new NC poll finds Hillary Clinton w/ her best standing since May- Clinton 61, Sanders 24, O'Malley 5, Lessig 2: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/10/clinton-rising-in-north-carolina.html
dsc
(52,152 posts)in 1992, 1996, 2012. Also winning here will depend upon our local races as much as anything. We will have a governor's races that is polling as a toss up (GOP incumbent) and a Senate races that is polling as a lean GOP (again GOP incumbent). If we can have those races be close we might pull out NC like we did in 2008 (when Hagan won by 8 and Perdue won by about 2 and Obama won by less than 1).
jeff47
(26,549 posts)MineralMan
(146,254 posts)the general election. These polls are about that and nothing else. After it's clear who the candidates will be for both parties, we can all start thinking about polls that deal with the general election. Since nobody has any idea who the GOP nominee will be at this point, there's no way to get a good feel on general election numbers.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)in a state she will not campaign in is totally inaccurate.
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)and I think Clinton will campaign there if she wins the nomination, too.
It all depends on which of the GOP Clown Car riders ends up with the nomination. There's no way I would even try to predict that. It's too nutsy.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)See, I actually live here. Makes me a bit more aware of what is actually going on. We will need mops at the polls to clean up after the Republicans orgasam when they vote against Clinton.
The only way for a Democrat to win NC is to overcome the rural/urban divide. Obama could only do it in 2008, with an anti-status-quo campaign that inspired massive Democratic turnout. He lost the state in 2012 when "Hope and Change" didn't actually happen. And it's not like Romney was an inspiring candidate.
Clinton gets a "meh" from the voters she would need to win NC, and an "I WILL VOTE TO DESTROY HER!!!!" from the Republicans in NC. That makes NC an extremely difficult state to win for her, and there are much easier states to win in order to get 270.
If she wins the nomination and campaigns here, it is a waste of time and money. Just as much as the Republican candidate campaigning in NY.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)There's no way Clinton can win NC. An "outsider" like Sanders or O'Malley have a slim, but unlikely shot.
And there's much easier states to win in order to get 270, so no Democrat will campaign here to change that.
riversedge
(70,074 posts)PublicPolicyPolling ?@ppppolls 4h4 hours ago
Clinton at 74% w blacks, 66% w seniors, 65% w liberals, 62% w women, 60% w men, 58% w moderates, 57% w whites in NC: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/10/clinton-rising-in-north-carolina.html
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riversedge
(70,074 posts)PublicPolicyPolling ?@ppppolls 7h7 hours ago
Clinton's favorability w/NC Dems has improved a net 9 points in last month, and her lead over Sanders is also up 9: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/10/clinton-rising-in-north-carolina.html
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PublicPolicyPolling ?@ppppolls 7h7 hours ago
Our new NC poll finds Hillary Clinton w/ her best standing since May- Clinton 61, Sanders 24, O'Malley 5, Lessig 2: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/10/clinton-rising-in-north-carolina.html
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Persondem
(1,936 posts)Thank you for posting. I guess NC has quite a few voters with sense after all. It's been hard to tell the last few years.
K & R
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)MineralMan
(146,254 posts)We're still waiting for the next round of national polling to be published. Last week, I predicted that they would show about a 60-30% split between Clinton and Sanders. I'm sticking with those numbers still. So far, there's only been the Gravis poll, and it shows something close to that.
So, I'm thinking these North Carolina numbers are going to be close to what shows up nationally this week. We'll see. Biden's decision not to run, along with Hillary's performance in the last debate and at the Benghazi hearing, are going to send most of Biden's numbers to her, and O'Malley's like to pick up a few percentage points as well.
That's what I think we're going to see this week.