2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat can HC do to get my vote?
I doubt she cares.
But I would like to see some transcripts of the speeches she and her husband made to all the Wall Street companies that paid them anywhere from $100,000 to $250,000 per appearance. Real transcripts, dated and notarized.
It would be especially appreciated to know if any of these companies are contributors to that Super PAC of hers.
I have never heard her make a speech that I would pay anything for.
Not being snarky, I am sincere, and would really like to know if what she's told them is what her campaign tells us to help me understand her popularity with the 1% of the wealthiest people in the US.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)She will never get my vote; I just don't like her. If she wins the the nomination, I hope she wins the presidency because the alternative is worse, but I can't vote for her.
we can do it
(12,182 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)US SC of a Presidental election. I have zero objection to our democratic process which allows any American citizen to run for office, legally.
I am against treason, which is what was committed by the five felons who stole that election and knew what they were doing when they declared, outrageously, that their decision to do that, would not set 'precedent'. A further poke in the eye to the people of this country.
I am always stunned by people who object to US Citizens exercising their Constitutional rights, LEGALLY, while ignoring the criminal activity that is right there in front of them.
Someday someone will explain this phenomenon to me.
we can do it
(12,182 posts)Voting for Mickey Mouse in a general election proves what? Your vote is thrown away. Period. Spare me the drama, we have a 2 party system.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)If you live in a solid red or solid blue state, your vote for the opposite party does nothing, really.
I live in Tennessee. I don't have to put my conscience through mental gymnastics to vote for Hillary because it simply doesn't matter. I can't and won't vote for her. I'm tired of these corporate-owned war-hawks being foisted on us in the Democratic Party and I'm done supporting it.
I can vote for the Green Party or Mickey Mouse or my dog for president because, at the end of the day, my state is going to turn all 11 of its Electoral College votes over to the Republicans.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)At the same time, you can also ask for a list of those evil companies who have donated to the CGI and the evil way they have helped poor people in many countries.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)I like the hell out of that!
Fearless
(18,421 posts)fadedrose
(10,044 posts)That's why they needed the money, to help poor countries.
What Robin Hoods they are, or maybe just "hoods."
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)It basically comes down to this:
He KNOWS she's full of shit; he KNOWS she can't be trusted: he KNOWS she's got her "finger in the air". ALWAYS. CONSTANTLY.
He AGREES that NOTHING she says about ANYTHING can be taken at face value.
Ready?
Vote for her ANYWAY, he advises.
The above are not weaknesses...he insists.... they are in fact STRENGTHS.
This is the "real world", he insists.... requiring REALISM in political calculation. And too much rides on keeping the Tea Party's hands off the Supreme Court.
My reply is... thanks... but no thanks. Or a version thereof.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Response to MoonRiver (Reply #7)
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Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Problem is... he ain't imaginary.
And I doubt if he's particularly atypical.
But he should get a kick... I guess it's too much to hope for a *revelation*.... when I link to your post.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)Didn't he say what he was going to be paid or promised as part of realism?
840high
(17,196 posts)NO THANKS.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)the whole 1% supports Hillary? I mean why bother to have an election if the whole damn bunch of 1%ers supports Hillary?
You make no damn sense.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)...reality?
Just a guess.
senz
(11,945 posts)Seriously, all the megacorporations give money to both parties. They don't care about "party." They just want to stay in control of government.
And they know that if it's bought-and-sold Hillary or some Republican, they win. Either way, they win.
And you, sweet upaloopa, are going to help them! Ooo, good on you!
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)fadedrose
(10,044 posts)That's why they're the richest and the 1%...
It's the uneducated and unwashed and gullible that are easiest to bamboozle. That's us ....
senz
(11,945 posts)But I'm with you on the value of these "speeches."
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)JI7
(89,247 posts)fadedrose
(10,044 posts)I was just pulling the HC supporters legs by asking for HC's speeches. I bet they are as clueless as we are as to what was promised...
I've donated to Bernie & Biden. Bernie's people say their average donation is $50...I'm getting there.....
Whereas HC's are probably $50,000....they don't need me..
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)These are just Hillary's 6 figure speaking fees after leaving the sos dept (not Bills)
335,000, 335,000, 325,000 and on and on...........................
http://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-all-the-six-figure-speaking-fees-that-hillary-clinton-received-after-leaving-the-state-dept-2015-5
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)Why in the hell does she want to be president and have to account for all money made and relinquish all control over any stocks, bonds, and other miscellaneous money-making schemes while in office?
She'll make a lot less as president, but she'll be done kissing butts..oh wait, Chelsea will be running. There's just no end to kissing butts once you start
Thank you for those unbelievable figures and the link.
senz
(11,945 posts)If you haven't read these articles, they might interest you:
http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/05/01/hillary-clinton-elitist-imperialist-politician-extraordinaire/
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)The sexist claims are disgusting. I know what sexist claims are. When I started practicing law, judges would call female attorneys "honey" and "dear." To play that card against Bernie Sanders was the last straw with me. Hillary and I are about the same age -- she knows the truth but it just does not matter to her. I have seen it too many times when she has skirted the truth and too many more when she has just out and out lied. This bullshit about Bernie being a sexist, sorry, but that was so over the top, how can she and her campaign spout this nonsense with straight faces.
Sorry, but if she is our nominee, I am going to have to think long and hard about voting for her. This sexist bullshit was the last straw with me.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)I bet you don't have a problem with the bernie supporters going all over the net making sexist comments about Hillary. This just made MSNBC news. A women says she won't be told to stop shouting and the bernie supporters go nuts. Bernie supporters have now become his worst enemy.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...on issues.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)They just don't like Hillary so their comments are understandable.
This is politics. Take it or leave it.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)zazen
(2,978 posts)MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Would that do it?
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)But like Boehner would say, Hell NO!
But thanks for your thoughtful and polite suggestion.... I mean it. I consider you one of the smart opposition. yes, there are a few of you.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)promise she makes while triangulating during the primary.
And even then only if SCotUS weighs in to note that it's legally binding.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)Great suggestion!!! Gimme a pen.....
dflprincess
(28,075 posts)she'll start moving right the day after - and never look back.
senz
(11,945 posts)She'll probably have total amnesia for everything she said during the primary.
brooklynite
(94,502 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Instead of the Third Way® triangulation. Right now she has one foot on the Democratic side and one foot on the Republican side. She needs to stop trying to be all things to all people and stop trying to woo Republicans. They will never vote for her ever.
That and tell her surrogates (DWS) to stop openly cheating in her favor, cuz if she gets the nomination through dirty tricks, she won't get my vote.
coyote
(1,561 posts)There is no speech in the world that is worth $300,000 for 20 minutes. Unless of course it buys you political access, which needless to say does.
840high
(17,196 posts)no use for this woman.
senz
(11,945 posts)and the buyers love it.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Response to fadedrose (Original post)
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kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)At the primary/caucus level she cannot get my vote. Not at all. Not ever. I cannot be convinced of supporting her on that level. She has proven herself to be deceptive on the TPP and the Keystone pipeline and her bogus implications of sexism on the part of Bernie Sanders.
As to the election next November? Of course I will stumble drunk into the polls and vote to assure that whatever idiot stumbles out of the GOP clown car never sees the inside of the White House except as part of a tour group. "Ok... we're walking.... we're walking... Oh no Mr. Trump, secret service will stop you if you go that way."
randome
(34,845 posts)You want to be her accountant so you can be sure she's perfect before she'll get your vote? Meh.
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