Cuz the oligarchs wanted Obama more in 2008.

preferred Rmney and McCain before that - how did the oligarchs fail? That was massive fail.

What the heck were they thinking?

Hundreds of millions, maybe billions, were spent by the evil billionaires. With zero return on investment.

supporters?

One would think they might figure out that come general election time, they're probably going to want all those Sanders votes. Dare I say, maybe even need.

One would think.

And the same can be said for the Sanders' supporters who constantly demonize Hillary. Works both ways.

But it doesn't really work both ways, to my mind, because at this point I give her pretty good odds of clinching the thing.

I say that as someone who is voting for Sanders in my likely inconsequential state primary, but also someone who I think has a pretty good handle on political realism. I must be more confident than some of her supporters, who still seem to be hiding under the bed with panic that it will be snatched away at the last minute again, like it was 8 years ago. When you are fairly confident that your candidate is going to win, you start thinking about ways to build the necessary coalitions to achieve general election victory.

Yowling at Sanders and his supporters, for instance, over imaginary misogyny because he used the word "shouting" is not the behavior of people who are reasonably confident about their chances, much less their ability to sustain a case based upon actual policy issues.

to know there is no chance of that happening any time soon.

Like a tactic of maybe a GOP operative.

I think I'll trash this thread now.

Many of them have already said they won't vote for Hillary.

I feel no need to repeat myself endlessly on that topic.

But the people over came. If repugs steal elections every time, how did Obama win in 2008? Riddle me that

And yeah, sometimes the people win. That's what will have happened when Hillary is elected president.

You got the first half right... I am still laughing over the claim that Hillary being elected means the people win.... thats a damn good one liner

i.e. they got the candidate the majority voted for.

that doesn't mean "the people win" ..

Just look at the donations. The big banks are big hillary super pac funders. She is their compromise.

1) overspending in the early phase of the campaign, in anticipation of winning by Super Tuesday

2) lack of appreciation of the ability to rack up large shares of delegates in Caucus states.

Her campaign was staking out their post election careers. Obama's campaign was top notch (I worked on the local level) from the databases to their geek squad to harnessing the energy of their base.

He shocked the political world with his first fundraising numbers, got his shoulders in front like a foot race, and kept her at bay at the finish. It was still close...until the Kennedys endorsed him and then it was over.

Networks like MSNBC were down right hostile to her. Chris Matthews was foaming at the mouth leveling attacks on her.
Both Clinton's were said to have played the race card. The likescof the late great Tim Russert even put that one out there. It's interesting that Jesse Jackson himself was not offended by Bill's comments in South Carolina

However, the party has greased the skids for her this time. Reason enough not to pick her in the primary.

Go Bernie.

and he's not even close. This has nothing to do with oligarchs, and everything to do with the will of Democratic voters.

Hillary in 2008. However Bernie Sanders is the clear cut choice for me this election.
I attended the Portland rally. I witnessed the euthusiasm of the 28k people who attended. This one is not over until the votes are counted.

Bernie is a good guy who does attract big crowds. We all like our candidates, and it would be nice if that could be respected.

for weeks.

No amount of money could clean that one up. If she does something similar after winning the nomination we are all screwed.

Terrible candidate. Not worth the risk.

real help for the poor. After his debacle I didn't know a lot about Obama and knew that Hillary had fought for special education in the past. I figured if I can't vote for John Edwards I would rather have Hillary in the White House than a Republican. I was talked out of voting for her at the caucus. That was my first caucus and I didn't really understand what was happening. I feel like I had been coerced and bullied. But they kept saying that Hillary was not electable and that Obama would bring about real change, so I voted for Obama. Times have changed since then and so have I. I will no longer just vote for who is supposedly more electable and I will not be cohered into voting for anybody except who I want to vote for at the caucus or on political websites.