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NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 10:36 AM Sep 2012

My gut feeling/honest first impression of PO's speech -

Just a few random sentences, since I thought the three days was so much to see and absorb...

What a tough act to follow - Michelle, Bill, Joe - for me, PO's speech was just a teeny, tad of a letdown, but that's because my expectations of him as a speaker and leader and person are so ridiculously high. It was a great speech. And....

Tone - I thought was appropriately level. Clinton did the attacking, Biden did more attacking and a great peek into working with Obama the president. So really the tone Obama had to use was the one he used- realistically level - if it were too strident/too optimistic, he would have gotten nicked for that. Too dour, more nicking. It probably was very, very effective to those in the crowd, those who are now needed badly to go out and get this man reelected. Fine.

Content - The one thing that was missing that I would loved to hear just a bit about was unemployment/jobs with a bit more specificity, but it was there as an undercurrent throughout many of the themes. But is something that the media and the right will likely hop on. Yet - this is a president who gave a presidential speech in a manner of someone who is only half done with what he wants to do. It can't be a beginning speech - it was an "in the middle" speech - and I felt effective in that regard.

I love hearing our president speak - it calms me, gives me confidence. This is a man who has been fought tooth and nail every step of the way by the opposition, the media, the greedy and wealthy, and much of his own party.

I am actually glad that this convention is over.....we will see what the polls say - I think a modest bounce should emerge, but it will be in the debates, when Biden schools Ryan and Obama decimates Romney - and then the hard work to follow with GOTV - that will push this over the top and ensure that our president can continue his work.

But....after already reading some punditry on Twitter and around the net - this man is working at a sophistication level that confounds easy soundbites and analysis. I am not going to use the chess analogy - it is more about how a serious, smart, committed president/person can go about doing the things he needs to do despite walking through a trail of barbed wire and poison ivy.

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My gut feeling/honest first impression of PO's speech - (Original Post) NRaleighLiberal Sep 2012 OP
Debates get the red out Sep 2012 #1
With Repukes being so obsessed with sex Drale Sep 2012 #2
Now I have a bad mental image going get the red out Sep 2012 #3
On first blush, and in some ways I agree Sheepshank Sep 2012 #4
Yes, "Gravitas", that's it Skraxx Sep 2012 #6
Great post Inuca Sep 2012 #5
I thought that it was a good speech Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2012 #7
I was blown away by his nomination speech four years ago Kolesar Sep 2012 #8
Even though Romney said he wouldn't be watching..... Sheepshank Sep 2012 #12
Best speech of his life. I wasn't looking for fireworks or pithy phrases or empty platitudes.. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #9
It was, at its best, a profound speech Inuca Sep 2012 #10
i thnk the convention will give a big bounce barbtries Sep 2012 #11
it is like Ty Cobb hitting .366 Cosmocat Sep 2012 #13
that's a great way to put it. Whisp Sep 2012 #14
+100 FirstLight Sep 2012 #19
plus he knows a lot more details on how awful the Repugs have been Whisp Sep 2012 #20
Jobs. Until the party disavows costly trade agreements, we will lose jobs. grahamhgreen Sep 2012 #15
I was expecting a letdown, but WeekendWarrior Sep 2012 #16
His speaking calms me too. SalviaBlue Sep 2012 #17
He had the tone of Clinton's SOTU address where he said "The state of the union is STRONG!" - upbeat HopeHoops Sep 2012 #18
Another take genxlib Sep 2012 #21
What he said about cynicism . . . siligut Sep 2012 #22
especially love your last paragraph BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2012 #23

get the red out

(13,461 posts)
1. Debates
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 10:38 AM
Sep 2012

I don't think rMoney has the temperment for debating President Obama. And Biden will give that youngin' a spanking!

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
4. On first blush, and in some ways I agree
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 10:48 AM
Sep 2012

that Obama didn't seems to exude the same upbeat "punch" as Michelle and Clinton. But you know, now that I've slept on it, there comes a time when the Conventions needs to step away from the feeling of a Rah Rah Amway revival, and bring in some gravitas. As a nation there are still struggles, there are millions of people still hurting and fighting to survive. For them life stopped being a party and has been drudgery ever since Bush crashed the whole fucking deal.

He spoke to those, acknowledging that this is serious shit. It's not all balloons and confetti. It's about chosing (a word he used over and over) a President who understands, has seen and will work hard for those that need the help, not work hard for those that don't need the help.

I walked away from this speech realizing this is serious shit, because frankly the nations isn't up yet, and even the President didn't pretend otherwise.

Inuca

(8,945 posts)
5. Great post
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 10:56 AM
Sep 2012

and very, very close to my own reaction. ALso how I feel about about the president. Lots of respect and admiration and empathy for the heavy burden on his shoulders. I remember 4 years ago, the night of the election, how struck I was by the way he looked when he stepped on the stage in Chicago. Remember? To me it looked like all of a sudden he felt all the weight of the world... not sure how to put into words, but it was very different from how he looked only a few short days earlier. Maybe it was the very recent death of his grandmother, I don't know, but it was different. And yesterday, the quote from Lincoln... it was heartbreaking...

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,406 posts)
7. I thought that it was a good speech
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:18 AM
Sep 2012

not the most impressive speech that he's given but I'm not sure that it needed to be. It was a positive and optimistic speech that made feel better by the time it was over- and made me feel more secure about the future of the country (and me personally). I loved his line about tax cuts, his promise to defend Medicare and Social Security, and especially the line about needing to do some "nation building" HERE in the USA. It was a reassuring speech and told me what I felt like I needed to know. Nothing more, nothing less.

No matter what, the prospect of Romney/Ryan of being in the WH freaks me the f**k out!!!

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
8. I was blown away by his nomination speech four years ago
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:18 AM
Sep 2012

That was my favorite speech of all time.

We are in a different climate now. He sounded pained by the stupid obstructionist politics and insincere reporting by the press.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
12. Even though Romney said he wouldn't be watching.....
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:51 AM
Sep 2012

I'd bet a boat load of his money that did he watch, as did Romney handlers.

Romney's eyes sparkle at the thought of fame and added fortune that would come with a Presidency. Can you even imagine how his companies will do after he retires from POTUS, with his name on the contractual signature lines?

I think Obama supplied the DNC with a level of gravitas that we all needed to remember that there is still a lot of pain during the healing process from Bush's hacking techniques. Romney will have heard the hurt, the pain, the difficulties that a President ha to deal with, and hopefully realizes it isn't all candy and photo ops. If there was anything that would give this non empathetic asswipe a pause to think that his life may not be so easy in the Whitehouse, it just may have been this speech from Obama.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
9. Best speech of his life. I wasn't looking for fireworks or pithy phrases or empty platitudes..
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:32 AM
Sep 2012

He spoke like someone who has been on the job for almost four years, and has made the tough choices, has the gravitas necessary to meet any challenge.

He is NOT an unknown, whose speech was written to excite and thrill the audiences, a speech in 2008 written by the people that wrote West Wing. He was an unknown PRODUCT then, he was a product launch. Now he has moved past that, and is talking to us about things that matter. He's not selling the dream anymore, he's selling his record, and the hard work we have ahead of us.

And frankly, people here who have been saying 'oh, I like Clintons speech' or 'I like the energy of so and so' Well, the President is NOT the cheerleader in chief. The role of the other speakers was to excite the crowds, and speak in pithy soundbites, and set the state for the President. It was up to the President to lay out the plans. You know, we can't have it both ways. The media and other other campaign would have pounced all over his shit had he gone with the theme-speech, like he did in 2008. When you're the new guy, you can't speak about what you DID, or even specifically about what you plan to do, you SELL yourself and build excitement. As the Incumbent, you talk about what you've done, what you've learned, and NOW with that info, what you plan to do.

Romney's speech would have been more to the liking of some folks here. He didn't say jack shit. It was a bunch of empty lines meant to move people emotionally, and he got panned for it. I'm not looking for a rockstar, I'm looking for a President. And he told it like it was. He's not going to go out there and scream like Jennifer Granholm, tho her speech was a lot of fun, he's talking to us like grown ups. And the undecideds are looking for specifics.. not fluff.

Inuca

(8,945 posts)
10. It was, at its best, a profound speech
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 11:41 AM
Sep 2012

meant for adults. The demoralizing question is how many adults are out there... sorry, not in the best o fmoods today.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
14. that's a great way to put it.
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:05 PM
Sep 2012


I felt that the seriousness of the whole situation really came through in the President's speech. There are lives literally to be fought for and I felt that strain, that urgency, in his words.

He's scared for all the people of America if R/R get into power. I felt that.

FirstLight

(13,360 posts)
19. +100
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:51 PM
Sep 2012

I feel it too

...and I KNOW there's more to be done, because in my OWN life, the struggle isn;t over....and I got that HE GETS THAT too!
I was sobered by the speech last night, and while my own sense of HOPE has grown and matured over the past 4 yrs...I still have plenty more for the future...
I also get the gravity of the future generation thing as a parent, as does he.... I know he knows how much worse things ARE, and I pray he can turn it around before we, as a planet, hit our own proverbial iceberg

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
20. plus he knows a lot more details on how awful the Repugs have been
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:54 PM
Sep 2012

these past four years.

What we hear is terrible enough - just imagine what goes on that we are unaware of, but he is.

SalviaBlue

(2,915 posts)
17. His speaking calms me too.
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:35 PM
Sep 2012

It is grounded in reality. I am just astounded by what I hear from the right wing. I cannot wrap my head around their mindset.

I remember VP Gore's book "An Assault on Reason" and it revealed what was happening and is still happening. People I once respected for their reasoning (my Dad being the main one) now spout this crap that is not grounded in reality at all. It is sad and scary.

But President Obama does calm me and reminds me that all is not lost. There are people who can add 2 + 2 and still come up with 4 and not 3 or 5.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
18. He had the tone of Clinton's SOTU address where he said "The state of the union is STRONG!" - upbeat
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:38 PM
Sep 2012

I just finished watching the entire speech and I've got goose bumps. THAT is a leader!

genxlib

(5,524 posts)
21. Another take
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:04 PM
Sep 2012

I agree with your assessment. I came away from it with a very positive but sort of vague feeling. Nothing like the specific jolt of energy that I got in 2004 or the inspiration I felt after the race relation speech. He suffers from having set his own bar very high. Above average for Obama still means in the 99% for all speeches.

I would look at it another way. I see response to a speech like this as sort of a tuning fork. On the scale of conservative to liberal, we each fall somewhere on that scale.

I think we respond the most to the speeches that are targeted to our slice of the spectrum. Some of the early convention speeches are meant to fire up the base and have more of an emotional effect on liberals.

Obama's speech was targeted at the whole Country rather than the base. It was honest and sober yet hopeful. So while it may not have rung my bell, I suspect it had a very strong impact on moderates.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
22. What he said about cynicism . . .
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:07 PM
Sep 2012

If you fall into it, if you let cynicism deter you, change will not happen. He had to look at this himself, because of what you say about the battle he has faced with the assholes fighting him every step of the way.

The pile of shit he was handed and then the obstruction he faced? It is utterly unbelievable what our fucking Congress has been doing. Waking up to the nightmare that part of our government is made up of the enemy had to be a blow to an idealist like Obama.

Obama is a President like no other.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
23. especially love your last paragraph
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:10 PM
Sep 2012
But....after already reading some punditry on Twitter and around the net - this man is working at a sophistication level that confounds easy soundbites and analysis. I am not going to use the chess analogy - it is more about how a serious, smart, committed president/person can go about doing the things he needs to do despite walking through a trail of barbed wire and poison ivy.


Thank you for a good analysis

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