2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"Even Evangelicals Sorta Kinda Like Obamacare Now" by Stephanie Mencimer at Mother Jones
Even Evangelicals Sorta Kinda Like Obamacare Nowby Stephanie Mencimer at Mother Jones
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/09/even-evangelicals-sorta-kinda-obamacare-now
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Attendees at this year's Values Voter Summit, the annual DC conference sponsored by the evangelical Family Research Council, have been among the most fervent opponents of President Obama's health care reform law. Some of the groups currently suing the Department of Health and Human Services over the law's requirement that health insurers cover contraception are on hand as exhibitors and panel discussion members. But even here, many attendees I interviewed Friday had to admit that now that the law had survived the Supreme Court and was starting to take effect, there were parts of Obamacare they not only liked, but which had already helped family members or people they knew.
Wes Cantrell, visiting from Atlanta, is no fan of Obamacare. He thinks it should mostly be repealed. Except for the part that's allowing his his grandson to stay on his parents' insurance plan while he's in college. "That's good," he concedes. Cantrell also admits that the ban on denying coverage to people with preexisting conditions ought to be spared. I didn't get a chance to explain that keeping the bit about preexisting conditions would be impossible without the individual mandate (the law's requirement that people buy health insurance or pay a fine), which will force lots of young healthy people into the system to subsidize the sicker people.
Another attendee, a doctor from Maryland who refused to give his name, told me that he had a sibling who got care for a very serious illness thanks to the new law. "That's a positive thing," he admitted. Even so, like many people I spoke with, for the doctor, the benefits still didn't outweigh what they see as the law's primary flaw: the mandatory contraception coverage. "I object to the burden imposed on institutions to provide contraception for free," the doctor said.
In the hotel hallway, I ran into a group of recent college graduates interning for the Family Research Council and asked them whether any of them were still on their parents' insurance plans. The horrified looks on their faces suggested that except for the British guy, every single one of them was getting insurance from their folksthe major benefit so far of Obamacare, which allows young people to stay on their parents' plans until the age of 26. They refused to talk about it and tried to pawn me off on some high school kids coming down the stairs.
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Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)They are still the same assholes. Assholes who have no idea what good birth control does besides stopping a pregnancy from happening. Same assholes who wonder why the single mother to be left her baby in a dumpster to die. Welcome to the 18th Century.
patrice
(47,992 posts)Pre-existing conditions covered?
No need to understand exactly how these things are possible.
Add BIG features that could increase the costs and the costs don't go up?
Magic.
msongs
(67,394 posts)applegrove
(118,600 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)Cha
(297,123 posts)That ruins it for the brainwashed.. the voters with slimey values.
SayitAintSo
(2,207 posts)I keep reminding him that he needs to THANK Obama for their insurance coverage - (Both Kids had collective 4 week hospital stays this year...imagine the cost with no coverage). He says that the insurance companies were always planning to extend coverage....to which I respond 'bull s#*t' . He says no really... they announced if Obama care is repealed, they would continue to extend. If so - Obama care made that a reality -
I just don't get the denial of otherwise intelligent people... SO frustrating
applegrove
(118,600 posts)SayitAintSo
(2,207 posts)applegrove
(118,600 posts)weeks. Why the GOP are so desperate.
madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)Andy Harris, of course. Reich wingnut US representative from the eastern shore, who wanted to know where his health insurance was after he got elected.
Douchebag extraordinaire.