like their little Susan or Bill and being good little christains who are not having sex. We know that isn't true. Many young women also are taking the pill not because of sex but because of health issues. I have a niece that is in that situation. She is 24 and must have them. She has serious health issues. Ms Fluke puts a face on the issue.

in the past i was not suppose to because he felt if i did i was giving permission for sex. and he thinks the right way is to wait for marriage, per bible, though he never spent a moment in church. another part of him know it is not the reality, waiting until marriage, but it is the right thing to do. he didnt want discussion of the pill just abstinence. he thinks that we discuss birth control and all discussion of sex openly without any emotional attachment per se is encouraging my boys.

the facts. we discuss the facts.

we were talking about it the other night cause now he wants discussion of pill cause he thinks she is probably sexually active. he tried explaining the difference in what we think, and i could not really wrap my mind around what he was saying.

of course, i had a conversation with her a couple times over the years already.

but, i never really understood exactly why he has an issue giving the facts on contraceptives.

his own daughter or his sister. Been there and heard it allot. My brother was raised to have fun, fun, fun. But me and my sisters don't you dare come home with babies. Now don't get me wrong I was a virgin until I got married at 29. But that was me. I am not naive enough to realize that young people don't go out and have sex. My dad died at 50 and left 2 young children 11 yr old girl and a 4 yr old boy. Well my sister and I and my mother sat my sister down when she was 12 yrs old and we talked about the facts of life and sex. We let her know that we really want her to wait to have sex when your married and you meet that special person. However, if you meet that special person and you think your relationship is strong then ask one of us and we will take you to get birth control pills. I'd rather have her have the pill then a baby. The problem alot of religious people are in such denial about their kids. They are having sex no doubt about it but we don't need to encourage get but if they feel they are ready then by god come talk with me and I will get you the pill. I am will to bet his daughter already understands sex and the pill. Girls today aren't stupid. We as mother, daughters, sisters, grandmothers and cousins and friends have to ensure they are able to get contraceptives. By the way many young ladies have to take the pill for health issues. I have a niece that has to take them for health reasons.

and admits that the choices he makes is not so good, and doesnt want daughter to do the same. i dont know if it is so much a sexism, as wanting better and recognizing, but not living it. he wouldnt argue anything you say. he doesnt give men an out.

he is interesting. and very very frustrating.

kinda a mountain man, love of nature kinda dude.

given to both sexes. The young man must realize if your going to dance around the bed you gotta pay the fiddler. (If you know what I mean). He is just as responsible as a girl. He must take full responsibility. We taught that to our son. He knew we didn't want it to happen to him. We had that talk. Yet it did happen. He and his wife now had a baby out of wedlock. I have to say he step up to the plate and is such a good father. His little girl is closer to him then to her mother. They divorced once and remarried last year. I think it was a mistake. I love my daughter-in-law but she is into her self alot.

someone to address what we are saying, not the name calling or way out there bullshit. repugs do the same. i would haev to say this style of argument is used when the side that has no reasonable explanation for a position uses it to demean and dismiss to silence, because they have nothing else.

but i found this interesting.

She'd bother them anyway, but the fact that they can't stop looking at her pushes them over the edge.

Bookmarking, because I'm going to read it a few times. Thank you

have the same fantasy about their teenage children. They truly believe that their children are innocent and should be kept that way until marriage. And that's why they object to sex education in the high schools. But if they ever spent time getting to know their children (instead of using them as showpieces), they would realize that no teenager in modern America is innocent -- and therefore, should definitely be taught about sex, birth control, and STDs and preferably by a teacher who knows something about biology (instead of a man like Todd Akin).

Oh, and another thing. Conservative men seem threatened by female sexuality, so that might be another reason Sandra Fluke drives them nuts.