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seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
2. i would expect to see all kinds of people calling you out and saying what she is doing is wonderful.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:49 AM
Sep 2012

that is the way it works on du, isnt it?

now seeing it. so what makes this so different, i wonder.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
3. It's Mika.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 10:54 AM
Sep 2012

If it was a dem it'd be empowerful and her choice so HOW DARE YOU QUESTION HER YOU PRUDE?!?!?!?!?!!!!

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
4. i am thinking. hence the hypocrisy i deplore. i cannot stand hypocrisy.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:00 AM
Sep 2012

the height of stupid, for me.

at the very least, be consistent in your belief.

or

what does that say about a person.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
5. The comments on the article at salon.com manage to do that
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:18 AM
Sep 2012

For example, "wjl5926" enlightens us with this oh-so-predictable laundry list of excuses and put-downs...

Oh Pleeze...

Sometimes a picture is just a picture.

What is the problem with a woman demonstrating her "woman-ly-ness?"

Are you, as the author of this article, and obviously an educated person and authority, uncomfortable with your own sexuality?

Or does Mika's personal choices make no difference in your condemnation of her?

Do you think this was the "one and only" photograph taken during this particular shoot?

Do you think Mika had no choice in choosing which picture would be utilized by the magazine?

In your attempt to "bring to Justice" the terrible act of bringing sexuality to a "picture" you degrade yourself in the process.

We live and swim in a sea of sexuality.

That this is portrayed in a photograph with the intent to entice viewers to watch a show is not a crime.

It does not say anything about the people in the photograph, anything about their personalities, anything about their purpose, because it was a "stunt."

But you obviously have an axe to grind. Don't you?


It's just a picture of a woman embracing her "womanliness" (whatever the fuck that is, apparently it has something to do with high heels, legs, and contorting yourself for male attention).

The author's sexuality is questioned (unfortunate frigid prude).

It was Mika's personal choice, ad nauseum (so shut the fuck up).

We live in a sea of sexuality (deal with it and stop complaining, and by the way, are you frigid?)

Nothing wrong with using sex to sell, you have issues, and you demean yourself by even mentioning it (you AXE GRINDER, you)

It's not a crime! Free speech baby!!!1!!1

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
7. Yep. If it was a liberal/dem woman in the pic we'd see some of those here.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:32 AM
Sep 2012

The widespread ignorance of sexism and misogyny is enabled by people who refuse to call it out.

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
6. ya, i fully expect people to give me a rash of shit
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:30 AM
Sep 2012

for my response. But it was my first reaction, which is generally the genuine, unedited reaction. After I thought about my first, gut reaction - I had my second, educated feminist reaction, which was "Well, why shouldn't she pose like that, if that's what she's feeling at the moment. Do I expect her to act in some version of a 'respectable' manner? What would I expect next, a burqa?"

But, I keep coming back to my first reaction. I don't think it makes me a prude to wonder why she would willingly participate in the objectification. If I were a prude, I would be offended by her almost showing her lady bits while posing up-ended on a table. But I'm not offended. I think she looks great, and exudes a sense of humor. What's bothering me, is the sense I get from the entirety of the photo, that she's begging for his attention, and contorting herself into whatever ridiculousness it takes to get it. What a difference the same pose would make, if she was alone in the photo, looking at the camera instead of a man. Just presenting her fun, sexy self as a woman...not as the objectified female prop in a photo in which the man remains professional.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
8. the problem is she presents herself as fluff and it works for her until it doesnt.
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 12:10 PM
Sep 2012

when scarsborough (or whatever) treats her like fluff she gets pissed. as if he did something wrong, though that is what she promotes.

and secondly. she presents women as a whole as a sexual object, not to be taken seriously which reinforces a very negative consequence for many of us creating a number of issues that i cannot even begin to go into.

and then.... there are even more issues this creates with men, and how that ultimately effect each and every one of us.



i was with your first impression. just being pissy as i am told by some on du, this is a GOOD thing. but, because it is providing them a reward in some manner, and they do not consideration the repercussions as a whole for women, men and society as a whole.

hlthe2b

(102,141 posts)
10. What a role model she is for her daughters and other young girls....
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 08:47 AM
Sep 2012
(can it be any more dripping? )


It is hard not to play armchair psychiatrist with Mika, who, I think derives all this conflict in terms of her interactions with men from a long-standing one with her father. That said, she wrote a friggin book bemoaning why the MSM does not take women seriously and positing what women need to do about it...

and, now THIS? Uggh.
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