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Squinch

(50,774 posts)
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 01:10 PM Jun 2014

Shall we play a game?

Has anyone else noticed the hilarious and apparently non-ironic posts that are all over the alleged censorship discussions these past couple of days? You know, the ones that boil down to, "You are not allowed to use certain words when you complain about certain other words - because your use of the words that I object to is censorship. So is your complaining about the words I don't object to. Everyone should be allowed to use whatever words they want. Except you, right now, and those words you just said."

I mean, seriously, I don't think this stuff has been given its due.

Lets collect these gems in one thread, and tomorrow we can all tell which are our favorites. I suggest we don't attribute the comments to avoid calling out, but just paraphrase or summarize. I'll start with my three favorites:

First, in boston bean's thread, I was told that her use of the word "ought," when she said RP ought to consider not using homophobic or sexist slurs, was an unacceptable and terrible form of censorship because her use of that word meant bb was forcing RP to change the words he writes. Which, of course, is really, really mean of her.

Second, the poster who said that the phrase "Word X is offensive" is an acceptable phrase to use, but "Don't say word X" is ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE and is really, really mean censorship.

Third, and this I just love, are these very numerous posts saying, "self censorship is really, really mean censorship." Which could be paraphrased, "But I LIKE peeing in the frozen food aisle!!! Quit censoring me!"

So which are your favorites?

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Shall we play a game? (Original Post) Squinch Jun 2014 OP
well, there is the complaint that we feminists are ruining things for somebody, everybody, CTyankee Jun 2014 #1
Yes. It's the ovaries. They give our opinions the magic power to inflict shrinkage upon the land. Squinch Jun 2014 #3
Shhhh, you'll ruin the secret! shenmue Jun 2014 #26
Yep, I noticed it BainsBane Jun 2014 #2
Somehow I missed that one. I just gave it a belated K and R. Squinch Jun 2014 #4
It's such circular logic, it makes my head spin. BainsBane Jun 2014 #9
Oh, I forgot one: I was told that free speech doesn't include objecting to how someone else Squinch Jun 2014 #5
can I give one that I liked, that was a great response and deserved kudos! boston bean Jun 2014 #6
. Squinch Jun 2014 #7
Fabulous BainsBane Jun 2014 #46
I wish that was an OP and I wish I had more than One Rec to give it. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #53
Daw shucks ma'am, tweren't nothin'. NuclearDem Jun 2014 #58
You're the bees knees, Nuclear Dem BainsBane Jun 2014 #60
Well, the latest one I just saw Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #8
Yeah, the prudet* (*sic LOL still makes me laugh) boston bean Jun 2014 #10
I noticed that! One of the biggest meta posters chastising people for meta! Squinch Jun 2014 #15
The idiotic whinging meta thread that started this shitfest has been kicked three times today, redqueen Jun 2014 #20
oh yeah, that's the other thing... boston bean Jun 2014 #22
You know why they use those words? BainsBane Jun 2014 #47
For suggesting RP not use sexist/homophobic comments/stereotypes boston bean Jun 2014 #11
You book burning hussy, you! And quit stealing their breath while they sleep, too! Squinch Jun 2014 #17
I really wish I were as powerful as some say I am. boston bean Jun 2014 #25
Fab 'do, Endora! Squinch Jun 2014 #30
Are the only words that can come out of your mouth boston bean Jun 2014 #36
Yeah, prudet that would be fine if there were any prudet toads around here. Prudet. Not funny! Squinch Jun 2014 #37
Are the toads saying prudet instead of ribbit? boston bean Jun 2014 #38
No, prudet that's ME! Squinch Jun 2014 #40
And of course your thread was alerted by one of those FREEDOM LOVING FREE SPEECH advocates redqueen Jun 2014 #27
You can't make this stuff up! Squinch Jun 2014 #39
I've missed most of these. Deliberately so. CrispyQ Jun 2014 #12
These, actually, were the milder aspect of the current tempest. There was another aspect of this Squinch Jun 2014 #18
I don't really have a favorite. The irony is so hot I can't touch it... jtuck004 Jun 2014 #13
What does the top line on the truck say? It's cut off in the photo. Squinch Jun 2014 #35
here ya go... jtuck004 Jun 2014 #44
Charming! Squinch Jun 2014 #45
Gives the word "pastor" a bad connotation. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2014 #52
Language is a tool smallcat88 Jun 2014 #14
It's the passive aggressive crap Gman Jun 2014 #16
Also, don't forget that those who disagree are prudets [sic]. Squinch Jun 2014 #19
I'm never gonna forget prudets, I chuckle just typing it out! LOL boston bean Jun 2014 #21
It makes me think of those little fake breaded chicken legs. Squinch Jun 2014 #23
I just googled "prudets" I got a weather report for boston bean Jun 2014 #24
Honeymoon location for those chaste couples... Squinch Jun 2014 #29
<3 ZombieHorde Jun 2014 #28
Thank you. Squinch Jun 2014 #33
Awesome! ZombieHorde Jun 2014 #34
I won't call any individuals out because that kind of sucks MadrasT Jun 2014 #31
You're not the one whinging, so you're good! Squinch Jun 2014 #32
I want to add another great post (not sarcasm), this one from Seaglass: Squinch Jun 2014 #41
yep that was a very astute posting by seaglass! boston bean Jun 2014 #43
Found another one: Squinch Jun 2014 #42
LOL BainsBane Jun 2014 #48
omg. is that a direct quote? will dumb wonders never cease? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #54
Not a direct quote. It was a conversation about how a group was censoring DU and Squinch Jun 2014 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #56
Censor the thought crime!! BainsBane Jun 2014 #57
Well someone just started a fucking 'silent thread for the word "fuck" ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #49
I think the thread on the fuckety fucks had it right BainsBane Jun 2014 #50
They're trying to play, I guess ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #51
And if THAT ain't the defintion of stupid, I don't know what is... CTyankee Jun 2014 #66
Meanwhile, some of the same people are complaining we DIDN'T ALERT BainsBane Jun 2014 #59
I found the same. It appears neither the alerter nor the jury on the RP hide were HoF people. Squinch Jun 2014 #61
"Censorship by censure" BainsBane Jun 2014 #62
I have to say, Squinch Jun 2014 #63
I forgot to ask BainsBane Jun 2014 #64
Something less severe than murder by words. Not sure how censure can be construed as Squinch Jun 2014 #65

CTyankee

(63,771 posts)
1. well, there is the complaint that we feminists are ruining things for somebody, everybody,
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 01:45 PM
Jun 2014

whoever. I just wonder what it is that we "ruined." Do we have magic power over people's lives? Is life over? Like the peasant in the Monty Python movie "Help! I'm being oppressed!"

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
3. Yes. It's the ovaries. They give our opinions the magic power to inflict shrinkage upon the land.
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 01:51 PM
Jun 2014

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
4. Somehow I missed that one. I just gave it a belated K and R.
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 01:55 PM
Jun 2014

This, exactly:

Oh, and it's not okay to suggest that someone exercise restraint and avoid bigoted slurs because it amounts to censorship, but censoring that opinion about restraint is not only acceptable, it is essential to democracy. In fact, the Republic cannot stand if people are confronted with opinions with which they disagree.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
5. Oh, I forgot one: I was told that free speech doesn't include objecting to how someone else
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 01:57 PM
Jun 2014

exercises their free speech.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
6. can I give one that I liked, that was a great response and deserved kudos!
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 02:04 PM
Jun 2014

This quite eloquently summarizes what one will find on DU this week.

NuclearDem (8,292 posts)

278. No, I perfectly get that there's a horde of big pearl clutching babies

who when confronted with the fact that words have a real power to hurt and see even the mildest of suggestions from any group that's been a target of those words about how to alleviate it shit themselves and throw a big fucking infantile tantrum until the grownups give them their toy back.

The same spoiled brats who after their morning jerkoff to 1984 take to the internet to scream down feminists and minority groups for daring to speak about rape culture, white privilege, or male privilege because it hurts their precious fee-fees, and receive pathetic congratulatory pats on the back from the rest of the brogressives and brocialists for a job well done standing up for the plight of the self-entitled white man made uncomfortable.

Suggesting the slightest amount of self-censorship (OOGA BOOGA BOOGA) isn't the crime of the fucking century. In fact, outside of the discussion of the words themselves, I've happily struck n****r, s***k, w*****k, and a whole shit-stained laundry list of words from my lexicon. And yet, through some miracle of the English language, I'm still able to express complex ideas and make a point! I can even still use salty language! Also, shockingly, I don't even fucking miss calling a woman a c**t or telling other men to stop being a p***y. Imagine that!

As far as the "duh, well if you don't want to be offended, don't read it!" totally unironic attempt at censorship masquerading as advice, if someone actually thinks simply avoiding the ground zero of hurtful words in any way alleviates the problem...well, let me take your footprints because you were apparently born yesterday. All it takes is for one fucking moron to look at what's supposed to be a progressive community, see this absolute garbage heap of hate and--fucking ta da!--instant validation. If progressives, who are supposed to be the right ones are giving these words a pass, then I guess I can use them after all!

And that asshole is not going to be as eloquent as TRP.

So, cry, whine, and throw your little fits about creeping censorship, but frankly, if words like f*g, f****t, or f***y b*y had been eradicated from the English language by a cultural understanding that words, much the same way as guns, have the very real power to hurt and both should be used with the utmost responsibility and care, then maybe my friend's parents wouldn't have had to find him dangling from a fucking rope in his closet.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5126773

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
53. I wish that was an OP and I wish I had more than One Rec to give it.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 01:49 AM
Jun 2014

Nicely done, NuclearDem. Very nicely done. Thank you.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
8. Well, the latest one I just saw
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 02:22 PM
Jun 2014

was an OP bemoaning all the meta (from somebody who has posted several of the 'meta' OPs, iirc) and saying how we need to get back to talking about 'real things'. Because misogyny isn't 'real', of course.

But my fave, over and over, was the assumption that complaining about misogyny and homophobia was all simply 'me being a delicate flower' and 'me being offended' (where 'me' = anyone who points out such posts) or 'hating' things. I'm not in any shape or form a 'delicate flower', nor am I the one being injured directly by the maintenance of a misogynistic patriarchy. I'm among the privileged. I'm not trying to defend myself from offense, I'm not trying to 'censor' anyone. I'm trying to get them to realize that they're doing all they can to keep women feeling the internet is an unsafe environment, populated by neaderthals who think that women are nothing more than sex toys and should be just fine with being abused with sexually violent verbal imagery. For them to take misogyny as seriously as they take racism.

I want my housemate's niece to grow up politically aware and active, but I'll be damned if I can introduce her to any of the political blogs I've been on with any sense that she won't absorb the idea that her role in life is to be a victim. This is a 'real thing', and I want it dealt with before the next generation of political activists hit the site.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
10. Yeah, the prudet* (*sic LOL still makes me laugh)
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 02:38 PM
Jun 2014

delicate flower, aunt bea, fainting couch, book burner, sensitive are the most used canards.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
15. I noticed that! One of the biggest meta posters chastising people for meta!
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 03:56 PM
Jun 2014

Well, you know, it's forbidden for you to talk about misogyny and homophobia and I would add racism, because when you talk about those things, it's censorship. So don't dare talk about them!

redqueen

(115,096 posts)
20. The idiotic whinging meta thread that started this shitfest has been kicked three times today,
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 04:34 PM
Jun 2014
each time by people on the OMFGZ NO THEY OPPRESSED RUDE PUNDIT! DU IS OVER, MAN, OVER! side.

One of them even had the gall to try this 'more important things' bullshit WHILE KICKING THE FUCKING MESS.

Stupidity knows no bounds.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
22. oh yeah, that's the other thing...
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 04:42 PM
Jun 2014

I didn't type anything out on Iraq.

Mea culpa, it was true. I did not type anything out on Iraq. Why, cause I don't know what the fuck to think at this very fucking moment about it. It's quite a hairy situation. I'm reading and learning, trying to form an opinion.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
47. You know why they use those words?
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 09:24 PM
Jun 2014

and defend them so vociferously? They insult women as c...ts because that word expresses perfectly how they see women, and the same goes for other bigoted slurs. They are only words. True. But like all words they signal the user's meaning, and by choosing those words they have made themselves crystal clear.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
11. For suggesting RP not use sexist/homophobic comments/stereotypes
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 02:54 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Sat Jun 21, 2014, 04:38 PM - Edit history (1)

What I got out of your OP is that you're clearly in favor of controlling what other people write and

read.

Rude Pundit doesn't have to change a thing about how he writes as far as I'm concerned. The fact that you think he does means that not only do you want to control what he writes, you therefore also want to control what I can read.

So, yeah. Not all that different from book-burning when it comes down to it.



You'll notice no one denies RP uses sexist/homophobic comments in his writings that are directed at others, trying to insult individuals. He isn't using them as a play on words to show how how sexist and homophobic it is, he uses them as insults to attack others.

The umbrage is that I actually suggested (here on a liberal message board) he not do that because it wasn't necessary. My suggestion was the much greater offense. And spawned multiple book burning/censorship OP's and posts.

Hello people, a mild critique of someone's writing with a compliment + a suggestion, does not a book burner make....

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
17. You book burning hussy, you! And quit stealing their breath while they sleep, too!
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 04:03 PM
Jun 2014

I kept pointing out that you had done nothing more than politely express an opinion, but they all saw through it to your evil super powers of remote-controlling-what-other-people-read!

That's a perfect example: It's OK for her to express her opinion that "As far as I am concerned the RP doesn't need to change." But your opinion that he should avoid racist and homophobic slurs MUST NOT BE SPOKEN!!!!! And you, somehow in that pretzel logic, are the one censoring.

You meany.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
30. Fab 'do, Endora!
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 05:13 PM
Jun 2014


OMG! I just looked into her eyes, and someone took over my eyes and hands! I can't say or think anything I want to!

***I love Dick Cheney***


Dammit, Boston, cut it out!!!!!

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
36. Are the only words that can come out of your mouth
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 05:29 PM
Jun 2014

prudet, prudet, prudet, prudet, prudet.

Click heels three time, blink twice, say bumbledeebumbledeedum once, and give a thumbs up to a toad. That will break the spell.

CrispyQ

(36,234 posts)
12. I've missed most of these. Deliberately so.
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 03:09 PM
Jun 2014

My take? I support freedom of speech, but that doesn't mean that I don't want standards for the communities I'm a part of. I see this in our society, too. Because we can do something, we do do it. Why? Somethings are harmful to decent communities & we should be able to say, okay, you have the right to say this, but we have the right to shame you because those don't meet the standards of our community.

There is a very junior high element in this community that is allowed to stand. I use the hide thread feature more than ever. A few weeks ago when they went through their titty phase I was clicking fast & furious. How many times have members said, "If only so-and-so (insert big name democrat here) read DU." And when they come here & see some of this crap?

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
18. These, actually, were the milder aspect of the current tempest. There was another aspect of this
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 04:06 PM
Jun 2014

fight that is really quite revolting and shows that there truly are men running around here who despise women and think women are subhuman.

I can laugh at this hypocrisy aspect. The other aspect just frightens and nauseates me.

smallcat88

(426 posts)
14. Language is a tool
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 03:43 PM
Jun 2014

we use to communicate. Quibbling over words is a very old, tired argument - like the old don't use 'four letter words' nonsense. It's HOW words are used that are important. Anything that expresses the idea of 'I thing you count less because you are black, a woman, LGBT, another religion, another nationality, etc, etc. can be offensive regardless of the words used.

Forget the words, concentrate on the message. If you're saying your opinion is more important because you are _____ and someone else's opinion is crap because they are _____ . . . Well, it depends on how you fill in the blanks. And then switch out whatever you fill in the blanks with. Would you still feel the same if you were in the other person's shoes?

So much that is offensive is a lack of empathy for anyone who doesn't see the world from your own point of view.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
16. It's the passive aggressive crap
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 03:58 PM
Jun 2014

That usually goes along the lines of you're censoring my right to be an idiot. And so how could my messed up post possibly have made your life miserable even though it's the latest over the top crap posted by me and my friends in a long line of crap that only we see that way. But we 'll make you the enemy if you disagree and you're not a progressive.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
24. I just googled "prudets" I got a weather report for
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 04:45 PM
Jun 2014

Prudets, Belarus!

The weather there doesn't look great for the week... Mostly rain and in the 60's.

Also another link shows Prudets, Belarus as a honeymoon location. LOL, too much!

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
33. Thank you.
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 05:23 PM
Jun 2014

I love that zombie. I have to confess that I once stole it and put it in a note to my brother after his granddaughter was born with the caption, "Neeeeeed more baby pictures!...."

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
31. I won't call any individuals out because that kind of sucks
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 05:13 PM
Jun 2014

BUT

The ones that make me chuckle are:

1) All the people screaming that YOU NEED TO SHUT UP AND STOP TELLING ME TO SHUT UP!!1!!1elevens!!! Because STIFLING FREE SPEECH is the WORST THING EVAH!!1!!! SO SHUT UP and STOP IT RIGHT NOW!!1!!!

(how do they not see the complete circular logic fail in that?)

2) As mentioned upthread, people who REPEATEDLY kick these threads whinging about WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON ACTUAL IMPORTANT THINGS!!1!!!!q!

Oh god that makes me

LOOK IN THE FLIPPING MIRROR.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
41. I want to add another great post (not sarcasm), this one from Seaglass:
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 05:44 PM
Jun 2014
I just watched briefly George Carlin discussing the word n*gger. He said we shouldn't be concerned about the word itself but instead the racist asshole who uses it. The part he didn't get was the USE of the word by people outside the group targeted in most contexts makes you that racist asshole.

If I look at how the word c*nt has been used on DU in the last day or so, it has been used primarily as revenge for a post being hidden (get some perspective people!). That's the context, payback, putting those jury b*tches and alerter in their place. So yeah, my concerns are the sexist assholes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5130447

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
42. Found another one:
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 06:29 PM
Jun 2014

DU is way overdue for a purge of the people who want to censor the people I agree with!



Edited to take out quotes, because it isn't a direct quote.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
55. Not a direct quote. It was a conversation about how a group was censoring DU and
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:05 AM
Jun 2014

the poster said, it's way past time for a purge of these people who think this way.

Response to Squinch (Reply #55)

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
57. Censor the thought crime!!
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 12:45 PM
Jun 2014

"of people who think that way."

I can't tell you how many times I've been accused of thought crime by some of that same crowd.

ismnotwasm

(41,921 posts)
49. Well someone just started a fucking 'silent thread for the word "fuck"
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 12:10 AM
Jun 2014

I trashed that one too. Way to much fucking stupid.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
50. I think the thread on the fuckety fucks had it right
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 12:38 AM
Jun 2014

People build their posts around fuck this or fuck that or even just fuck, or any other sort of vulgarity, because they have nothing else to say.

ismnotwasm

(41,921 posts)
51. They're trying to play, I guess
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 01:05 AM
Jun 2014

It's stupid as well as boring, and when one pops up-- I trash it. The ability to use vulgarity was never the point. Anybody can do that.

The point was the bigoted language encoded in certain vulgarities. Sure you can say it, use it to make your point. Over and over if that's all you got. As far having shock" value, that misses the point as well, because At the same time pointing out that bigoted language is disgusting bullshit is going to be the responses from many people, your perhaps valid point will missed, and your audience will have only limited thinking skills (unless they are repressed in some way)

Hysterical Twisting that idea as censorship is just plain weird, trolling by starting thread after thread about it is past weird and I don't want to play, whether it's the shit stirrers or the ones who are just deeply deluded.

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
59. Meanwhile, some of the same people are complaining we DIDN'T ALERT
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:52 PM
Jun 2014

on a post in HOF from more than six months ago, a post neither I nor Boston saw, that they saw and somehow insist it is our responsibility to spot within the 24 hour window and alert on it. There is no end to the hypocrisy. If they just came out and said what they mean: They and people who think exactly like them should be able to say anything and everything without censure, but anyone who disagrees with them should be silenced and banned. It really is no more complicated than that, but they lack the self-awareness and intellectual honesty to say so.

For the record, after surveying the various regular posters in this group, I don't actually think the alert on the Rude Pundit came from a HOF member, despite conspiracy theories to the contrary. It just shows how every incident on this site is but an opportunity to scapegoat. Here's a newflash. Feminists have free speech rights too. If you don't like our speech, don't read it! Quit surveilling HOF and its members 24/7 looking to alert on everything, including fucking threads about soccer games.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
61. I found the same. It appears neither the alerter nor the jury on the RP hide were HoF people.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 03:41 PM
Jun 2014

But that won't ever pierce the wall of righteous indignation here.

Now, I WAS on the jury for that ridiculous alert on you last night. I was the one that called it a crappy and vindictive alert.

As far as this:

They and people who think exactly like them should be able to say anything and everything without censure, but anyone who disagrees with them should be silenced and banned.

...I think in this latest episode, they did just that, and they did it completely openly. The great free-speechers came out very obviously and strongly in favor of the curtailment of the speech of all those who disagree with them.

At least we understand that the censure we have received, though asinine, is not censorship. They don't seem to be able to understand that either. Another hilariously misinformed phrase that has surfaced in these discussions is "censorship by censure."

And I think you are on to something here when you say they lack self-awareness. I begin to wonder if it actually is hypocrisy. I think for many it is just a real, deep ignorance and obliviousness. They simply are not capable of understanding that they are doing the same thing that they are complaining about others doing.

And about the post you didn't alert on, I am guessing they didn't alert on it either, so why are they complaining to you?

BainsBane

(53,003 posts)
62. "Censorship by censure"
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 03:50 PM
Jun 2014

Of course they didn't alert on that post they complained about. If they were so concerned, they could have alerted even this weekend, but someone had bookmarks saved from many months ago, so obviously they saw it at some point.
Folks are evidently too busy alerting on my posts about soccer games and for "race baiting," observing that cops look very differently at African Americans who open carry than white people. Duh. Un-fucking real.

I think you are right that they aren't aware. That was clear in that thread insisting people had no right to suggest the RP moderate his language, but it's evident in virtually every conversation on the subject. I suppose my pointing out the hypocrisy is what has motivated this recent spree of alert stalking of me.

We've all acted hypocritically at points in life, but I like to think I have some awareness of it, or at least am capable of understanding that when it is pointed out.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
63. I have to say,
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 04:17 PM
Jun 2014

I am not someone who has a problem with most words. There are some I don't use, and some I don't want to see. I hate the c word, because it denigrates half the population, but I see there is leeway if you are in a pub in England. I don't use b* here, but I sometimes do IRL. (The dumpster one, though. That was just someone with problems with women trying to slam and dehumanize women in general. That was designed to insult, which I pointed it out in ATA, but I am guessing from experience that will die an unanswered death.)

On the other hand, I don't see the "brilliance" in RP everyone is touting; I usually find him pretty droningly rant-y, so I don't care if someone hides him because he swears. So I didn't have strong feelings either way with this. I didn't engage when the discussion was about whether certain words should be used.

But when the crap started in bb's thread, with people telling her she shouldn't be allowed to state HER opinion about the whole thing, it really pissed me off. And the way it deteriorated from there to now, where a lot of people's hatred is now saturating their writing, has been astonishingly ugly.

I love the "aftermath" posts, though. The worst offenders brushing themselves off, and saying "we all need to stop" when they were among the only ones that "need to stop." They're telling themselves, "It's OK I did it. Everyone did" when everyone didn't. It's like we are watching them wake up after a bender.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
65. Something less severe than murder by words. Not sure how censure can be construed as
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 05:18 PM
Jun 2014

censorship unless the censure is accompanied by censorship.

But whatever it is, it's really really mean. And only nannies do it.

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