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intaglio

(8,170 posts)
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 07:55 AM Jun 2014

"Classic" songs - to which I can no longer listen

Well lets start with a really rapey classic



Stalking and murder is next on the menu


Then the harmless Neil Sedaka


Gary Puckett and Union Gap totally are not celebrating pedophilia


Then a film that contains stuff I really like such as "Lonesome Polecat" and "Barn Raising Dance"
But it also has a plot that is about abduction and rape - like this song


Add your own folks
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"Classic" songs - to which I can no longer listen (Original Post) intaglio Jun 2014 OP
I've always been a bit weirded out by Summer Nights from Grease gollygee Jun 2014 #1
It's funny you mention "Baby It's Cold Outside"... Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2014 #2
In fairness Sting has always been clear that he's not celebrating that mindset el_bryanto Jun 2014 #9
Yeah, but the point of the thread was songs hit songs that are creepy... Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2014 #11
"I don't care if your just 13" safeinOhio Jun 2014 #3
Fuck, where to start? Kind of a time-honored tradition, isn't it? redqueen Jun 2014 #4
More... redqueen Jun 2014 #5
Exactly, where to begin intaglio Jun 2014 #6
The question becomes for me Shivering Jemmy Jun 2014 #7
True, there is that difference between, say, Down By The River and Stranglehold. redqueen Jun 2014 #16
I can outdo that with a really disturbing one from Husker Du... Violet_Crumble Jun 2014 #8
+1 ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #19
One other thought - Piece of my Heart el_bryanto Jun 2014 #10
No. nt redqueen Jun 2014 #14
No Janis was something else ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #18
Fair enough - thanks for the info. nt. el_bryanto Jun 2014 #20
Interesting how rap music gets all the misogyny 'press' though ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #12
I wonder how much of that is the Eminem effect el_bryanto Jun 2014 #13
It's more in-your-face. redqueen Jun 2014 #15
That's true ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #17

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
1. I've always been a bit weirded out by Summer Nights from Grease
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 08:12 AM
Jun 2014

where one of the T-Birds says something like, "Did she put up a fight?"

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
2. It's funny you mention "Baby It's Cold Outside"...
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 08:16 AM
Jun 2014

Key and Peele (comedy duo with a show on Comedy Central) did a send up of that song, and referred to it as "a bit rapey".

But here's my contributions:

The Beatles condoning the "if I can't have her, no one can" attitude.




Warrant and pedophilia.



The Police and the ultimate stalker song.


The Prodigy with a very catchy electronic beat, encouraging domestic abuse.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
9. In fairness Sting has always been clear that he's not celebrating that mindset
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:52 AM
Jun 2014

He finds it ("Every Breath you Take&quot to be a creepy song as well and is super uncomfortable with people telling him "Oh we played that song at our wedding. It's soo romantic."

And I love Smack My Bitch Up - but I feel bad about it. The lines are a quote from an older song - "Slip the Drummer One" by Kool Kieth - and the band claims they just mean doing any thing intensely.

Bryant

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
11. Yeah, but the point of the thread was songs hit songs that are creepy...
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 11:31 AM
Jun 2014

I actually enjoy EBYT and SMBU as well.

redqueen

(115,085 posts)
4. Fuck, where to start? Kind of a time-honored tradition, isn't it?
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 03:06 PM
Jun 2014

Neil Young - Down By The River






Jimi Hendrix - Hey Joe





Rolling Stones - Brown Sugar





Rolling Stones - Under my Thumb



redqueen

(115,085 posts)
5. More...
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 03:11 PM
Jun 2014

Not all classics, or stuff I would listen to even if it wasn't misogynistic, but ...



Lou Christie - Lighting strikes






Ted Nugent - Stranglehold






Motley Crue - You're All I Need

Shivering Jemmy

(900 posts)
7. The question becomes for me
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 08:24 AM
Jun 2014

Is the writer creating a character and telling a story...or are they advocating and glorifying an abhorrent point of view.

Even then I can still like a given song. For example I think "The Rake's Song", about someone who brutally murders his unwanted children, bythe Decemberists does a bit of both.

Yet I still think it is a terrific song.

redqueen

(115,085 posts)
16. True, there is that difference between, say, Down By The River and Stranglehold.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 01:05 PM
Jun 2014

However even the mere existence of so many 'stories' of men murdering women is abhorrent.

Art can do more than just tell the story. It can put a socially responsible message behind it.

Pearl Jam did this brilliantly.

Jimi seemed to be celebrating.

You know I caught my old lady messin' 'round town
And I gave her the gun
And I shot her
Alright
Shoot her one more time again baby!

Violet_Crumble

(35,954 posts)
8. I can outdo that with a really disturbing one from Husker Du...
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 08:53 AM
Jun 2014

Unlike the crap everyone else has been posting (with the exception of the mention of The Decemberists, who I really like), this song's amazing, but back when I was young and listening to it at first I was 'what sort of sick fucker writes a song like this one?' Then I realised it was the character of a rapist and murderer, and when the internet came into being I found out it was a true story.

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Here's a link to the lyrics for any poor souls who don't want to listen to Husker Du..

http://songmeanings.com/songs/view/3458764513820547396/

And I'm gonna throw in one more song I loved from that era and still love, even though this one's stretching it. I just want to post it coz it's an awesome live version. I still remember the heated argument I had with a fellow Smiths fan about whether it was about weight or boobs...

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
10. One other thought - Piece of my Heart
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 09:56 AM
Jun 2014

By Big Brother and the Holding Company.

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I like it (second favorite Janis Joplin track (after their cover of Summertime) but doesn't it sound like she's encouraging her lover to abuse her?

Bryant

ismnotwasm

(41,885 posts)
18. No Janis was something else
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 01:43 PM
Jun 2014

The proverbial "white girl who could sing the blues" --/she rode a lot of pain in her life and died with it too. She didn't write the song, she just covered it.

An interesting piece of trivia--Janis Joplin was a great admirer of Bessie Smith, and found her grave with very little to mark it. She paid for a decent headstone for that awesome blues singer.

ismnotwasm

(41,885 posts)
12. Interesting how rap music gets all the misogyny 'press' though
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 11:47 AM
Jun 2014

Last edited Wed Jun 25, 2014, 01:38 PM - Edit history (1)

Not that a lot a lot of it isn't, but it started out as social anger. Rarely do you hear these songs posted get criticized, so I believe there's more than a touch of racism.

It's one thing to publish a song that reflects ugly reality, quite another to accept it as "normal"or celebrate it.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
13. I wonder how much of that is the Eminem effect
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 11:49 AM
Jun 2014

But there were certainly misogynist songs before him. And of course there have always been more positive conscious rappers as well.

Bryant

redqueen

(115,085 posts)
15. It's more in-your-face.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 12:55 PM
Jun 2014

There's no denying that it's not hidden at all in rap music. No room for interpretation.

ismnotwasm

(41,885 posts)
17. That's true
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 01:34 PM
Jun 2014

It's not more admirable but it is more honest.

Originally Black Rappers were trying to convey their own culture, their own anger, their own patois, and were not radio rappers. With the rise of ganta rap, the posers came out in force, some were, or course legit, and did become famous making everything worse. The rise of female rappers leveled off, at least in popular music.

I like rap-- but I have to find people who truly know about it to find stuff I can listen to. I still like Ice-T on the Tank Girl sound track.

Eminem is a very damaged, very talented person, who I hope grows up some day and quits blaming his mother for every damn thing.

His homophobia and misogyny sticks to him like dogshit on his shoe.

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