to get the attention he will need.

Warren is not running, there is a reason why, there has been a deal struck between her and Hillary, I bet everything on that.

Bernie Sanders for President



BTW, when she says broken into pieces, she means that literally, right?

That the entity should have been restructured, right?

but not like today. Most were locally owned. If I am not mistaken there is today something like 5 huge banks that are connected to most of the main street banks. Back then our money was in a local bank that mostly borrowed to local needs and did not use our money in an international casino that had to be bailed out every now and then. Also back then there was no such thing as too big to fail. If one bank failed it did not take the entire international banking system with it.

She helps him. The message is the same and she's a great explainer. She makes Bernie's policies much more palatable to people in the Middle because his style is so gallumping. She does not take away attention from him, but rather adds credence and accessibility and together they develop the liberal/progressive voice.

It's great to have two of these guys!

putting your mind at ease.

are paying much attention to Warren ...and I believe that means a hell of a lot of people are very interested in her ...especially after this speech.

She absolutely embraces OWS, even as she's being attacked for it by Carl Rove.

I LOVE it.

OWS was yelled over by 400 blowhards with big megaphones who could keep going long after the protestors were kicked off the streets- by cops listening to rw radio, working for local pols, enabled by media who all felt the dominating unchallenged anti -OWS buzz .

if the left wants warren to run and win it has to start challenging the right's best weapon. the one that kept her off the administration and regularly wins elections for dipshits like brown, who wouldn't have been anywhere near the senate in the first place without rw radio.

until the left stops ignoring the right's best weapon it cannot say it is or will get warren's back. until then it should not be encouraging her to run- no progressive/liberal like her should be encouraged to run in an environment where her enemies can take free pot shots all day long.

What you are proposing is that progressives can NEVER have a voice in the conversation because RW radio? They will skewer ANY Democratic candidate. Look what they did to Obama?

He still won.

You're being too pessimistic.

but first "he still won"---

relative to what? he won and should have. what has happened since then? why the left can thank republican radio for most all major and minor liberal/dem defeats and compromises the last 25 years. why can't we have a fact based national discussion on any major issue? why do 1% have so many people on their side, based almost entirely on an alternate reality?

how to beat it legally?

1) more than 35% (recently revised from 28%) of limbaugh radio stations inc many of the loudest in the country depend on the community cred and ad revenue they get from broadcasting state funded university/college sports. students for warren or any major progressive issue are being undermined by their own unis in exchange for what may be peanuts. push a few colleges to honor their mission statements and look for apolitical alts and others will be shamed into following and that rw radio monopoly would fall apart.

2) include those stations in protests/picketing. those are teabag/GOP HQs. any significant protest movement has to be louder than the local and national blowhards and they have to last longer. almost any liberal issue can be relevantly protested there. right now those stations spend a lot of time excusing racism and police brutality. limbaugh has been selling CLUB GITMO tees and mugs for a decade or so and i heard more of it the other day- close to 100 college sports teams help him sell that shit and make torture acceptable.

3) use modern software to record and transcribe and search what the major blowhards are saying, and then respond to it in real time instead of letting our candidates get attacked and our issues distorted without response and having to play catchup, as has been the norm the last 25 years.

4) stop crediting fox for what rw radio does. fox is rw radios asshole little brother and wouldn't last long without radio's groundwork repetition.

Good points.

I wish that Clinton had not signed the Telecommunications Act that allowed a few interests to buy up most of our media and broadcast their propaganda endlessly.

He got our attention.

entire party, enables a corporate media and a lot of conservadems everyone here complains a lot about all the time.

and it still is capable of turning molehills into mountains in a few days- with 1200 coordinated radio stations it still dominates and starts the national and local buzz for the CIA/GOP/COC/ALEC psyops.

just about every issue discussed on liberal blogs like this is distorted by the alternate reality rw radio continues to reinforce and maintain.

ignoring rw radio has been the the biggest mistake in political history

support, groundloop! She's a great leader with no fear. And she fights for us ag wall street.

I can't wait for her to enter the race when the primaries begin!!

But I believe that she is a pragmatic person,and if she was shown that she has the support and financing, and a logical case was presented to her why she should run now, I think she could be persuaded. she is a realistic, reasonable person, and am sure that she thinks, unless things change, this is not the right time for her to run. But many of us think otherwise,and I say it's time to let her know. Not with passionate rhetoric but with clear, logical reasoning.

...but she has never said in 2016, i.e. she has never said she won't in the future.

See: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/07/23/elizabeth-warren-could-end-the-presidential-speculation-today-she-has-chosen-not-to/

She is not stupid. She knows *exactly* what this reporter is asking, and is going out of her way to make sure she doesn't give him the answer.

She is not running. Whether circumstances will be such that she decides to run in the coming months is an unknown, and something she remains noncommittal about no matter how she is pressed.

"A wise man (woman) may change his (her) mind often but a fool never does". (Changes shown parenthetically are mine; mama would have approved). I consider Elizabeth Warren to be a very wise woman. If she does change her mind and run, will you deem her wise or call her a liar?

she has Ted Kennedy as an example. Organizing the Senate to stop the Rs in the next 2 years will be extremely important and IF we can get a Democratic President in 2016 it will be important to have someone who can lead there also.

I see it all over DU.

A movement has grown to try and draft a candidate that MANY people really like. That movement is raising ISSUES that progressives and liberals care greatly about.

Let the movement continue even if it doesn't result in EW running for President. Other good things could come from the movement.

And millions at MoveOn?

At least some people here are politically savvy enough to see what's happening. She'll announce when the time is right for her energy to be put into that particular dog & pony show. Until then, she's busy with the good fight in the senate.

now we're children?

Move-On is also supporting Warren.

http://front.moveon.org/tag/elizabeth-warren/

DFA also supports a Warren run.

http://dfa.runwarrenrun.org/?source=dfa_home.runwarrenrun.20141218

So, Warren is picking up steam.

Hillary polls well but is not particularly gaining momentum and is not the favorite of the folks who make the calls, knock on the doors and drive voters to the polls on election day. Warren is the one that those of us who do the nitty-gritty grass-roots work want.

I think a lot of union rank and file also love the Warren message.

Hillary just does not deliver it very well. She has too much banker baggage to say nothing of NAFTA and the "welfare reform." Bill Clinton's presidency is remembered as a time of prosperity, but he signed a lot of legislation that has not worked out well for middle-class Americans.

She can be persuaded to run. That is my belief based on having read her book.

She does not challenge Hillary Clinton personally, but she strongly attacks some of the Clinton friends, their appointees, and she strongly criticizes some of the Clinton/Bush/Obama policies.

I suggest reading her book before insisting that Warren won't run. I would say she could be persuaded to run if she thought that she could best serve Americans by running.

Her childhood and young adult experiences destined her to care about the economic plight of America's middle class. She is the real deal. She and Bernie are the only potential candidates who understand what is going on in this country, what the struggle of the average American just to keep out of serious debt is.

I want Warren to run. I think she can unite a lot of middle America.

You just stick to that story.

Have you read her book?

So far none of the "Warren is not running. She said so" posters has answered my question in the affirmative. I'm still waiting.

run but if she doesn't, the movement will continue anywayz.
Most people that repeat over and over that Sen Warren isn't running are H. Clinton-Sachs followers and think if they repeat it often enough it will come true. They are petrified that the movement will ignore their Wall Street candidate. And it will.
The Oligarchy loves H. Clinton-Sachs and Jeb, Babs favorite, and they are terrified of the movement.

Even Hillary.

Please, don't go there. The "present tensers" are virtually acting as nutty as the flat earthers and the birthers.

Oh and you fail with your pathetic "fantasy land" snark.

so can we.

Looks like you have an agenda.

Only that she isn't presently running for president. And she isn't. No one is. Yet.

If the movement continues she may reconsider.

Even if she doesn't this movement is NOT wasted effort.

We are seeing an awakening and it seems to be much larger than the corporate Democrats would like for it to be. May it continue to grow. And grow. And grow...

"Don't panic! Don't panic! Elizabeth Warren's not running! Don't panic! Don't panic!"

Nothing to see here!

energy that she can't say no. Could happen. Because Hillary polls well but does not have the energy and enthusiasm from the grass roots, the political nerds like me, that Warren does.

Warren is talking about and has solutions for the problems that ordinary people face -- like establishing banks in post offices. Banks that would replace the pay-day lending vultures if people prefer to do sensible, cost-effective banking that does not involve mortgaging your paycheck, that is your next weeks food, at high interest rates.

Nobody, not Hillary, not Bush, nobody has the good ideas that Warren has for the economic recovery of America's middle class.

It is a sad thing that in our country, when we talk about recovery, we mean recovery for the already-doing-fine-thank-yous and not real recovery and at least a modest accumulation of wealth for the not-doing-well-most-of-us.

Warren understands why it is so hard to get into and stay in the middle class. None of the other politicians even seem to want to recognize that that is the major problem in America today.

From our failing schools to poor care for seniors in their final years and days, the big challenge in America is maintaining the middle class that built our country. We aren't doing it. Warren and Sanders are the only credible spokespersons on that issue.

Keeping, helping people get into the middle class -- that is the elephant in the china closet for Republicans and third way Democrats. It's the biggiie. Assuming we don't get into a raging war somewhere (and I think we have already fought and defeated or made peace with just about every major country we could possibly fight), the problems of middle class Americans will be the primary issue in 2016.

Neither Jeb Bush nor Hillary nor any contenders other than Sanders and Warren have a clue about what is going on in the middle class or those aspiring to be middle class.

For GOD'S sake..........Goebbele is laughing in his grave. Put her in WHITE at the top of the thread? OK, to this wailing and gnashing of teeth regarding Warren, who I LOVE, needing to for President:
Has it occurred to any of you that her experience, except for the world of economics, is ZERO. She has absolutely no foreign policy experience, NONE. She presents as a very strong personality now that she has been allowed a voice as a Senator, and foreign policy is mostly common sense, mostly missing
of course, no matter what party the leader of the nation is from, but her lack of foreign policy experience would be a HUGE disadvantage in any campaign. There is some irony to the concept that the people who SHOULD be considering running mostly don't.

My own sense has been that Obama is largely an exception to that. Hillary Clinton has managed to continue to grow as a national leader and very likely is the SAFEST person we could elect. I do not know if we can draw any conclusions from what Bill did but she was respected on both sides of the isle as a senator, was a very successful Secretary of State. and is likely to keep us out of any new ground wars for the 8 years following election. We need to support her.

(And I have NO idea what issue you have with Liz wearing white in the photo from Huffpo)

Trans-Pacific Partnership, Obama and HIllary Clinton Should Scare Hell Out of Progressives.
http://michaeledrake.blogspot.com/2013/12/obama-and-hillary-clinton-should-scare.html

Hillary Clinton, Wall Street’s Favorite Democrat
http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2014/11/14/hillary-clinton-wall-streets-favorite-democrat/

How Hillary Will Fail Liberals
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/08/14/how_hillary_will_fail_liberals_123657.html

Hilary's Biggest Challenge Isn't Just Bill's Outsourcing Record, It's Hers
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-white/hilarys-biggest-challenge_b_6175008.html

Backing Hillary in 2016: Bad for Progressives and Bad Politics, Too
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/11/29/backing-hillary-2016-bad-progressives-and-bad-politics-too

Climate activists not ready for Hillary
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/climate-activists-not-ready-hillary-clinton

How Hillary Clinton's State Department Sold Fracking To The World
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/10/hillary-clinton-fracking_n_5796786.html



A guide to funneling cash to Clinton
http://www.thenation.com/article/191457/how-many-ways-can-goldman-give

If she can see that she would have enough money to be a legitimate candidate, not a fringe candidate meaning not like Newt was last election, able to stay in the race week by week with the sole support of Adelson. She already knows nobody running already, Clinton, Biden etc. etc. will lift a real finger to help the middle class, or make real systemic changes to how our country is run now. And everybody knows no matter how bad a Clinton presidency would be, any republican president would be worse, maybe not by much but still worse. She's got to know as does every liberal, that she is the person for this moment in our history. She's got the mind, the voice, the courage, and the heart to speak truth to power. She isn't afraid of anyone or anything, she fights for the rights of us all, and she knows nobody has her charisma to do it. Hell, just look at Obama, most people didn't know him, and the one's that did gave him an outside chance at best. But he got us to believe 'change is coming to America'.....Now it's time for REAL change to come to America, let's force her to run.

She's not saying she doesn't want to run for president, just that she isn't running at the moment.

she doesn't add..."at the moment"....she said she is finishing her term as Senator instead. I'd say that is pretty definitive that she is NOT running in 2016!

Just "I'm not running,"

How naive can you get? The same words for over a year. Never saying she will not run. Only that she isn't running.

"Finishing her term as Senator" kind of negates your little English lesson..

Now who is naive?

I would love to see her do that - protests in major cities like we have never seen before, on a scale so grand that it changes the way Washington works - changes it in a way that a president never could. There needs to be a revolution. I pick Elizabeth Warren to lead!