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jillan

(39,451 posts)
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:44 PM Mar 2016

GREAT analysis of last night written by a former White House counselor to President Clinton !!

Going to post a few excerpts, but recommend reading the entire piece (it's short!)
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/09/it_should_be_over_for_hillary_party_elites_and_msnbc_cant_prop_her_up_after_bernies_michigan_miracle/

It should be over for Hillary: Party elites and MSNBC can’t prop her up after Bernie’s Michigan miracle
Trade, wages and the corrupt political class are the new key issues. Bernie and Trump finished off the party elites.
BILL CURRY

You wouldn’t know it from watching TV last night or reading the national papers this morning but Bernie Sanders’ Michigan win ranks among the greatest upsets in presidential primary history.

1. The old politics is over. The fault lines of the new politics are not cultural issues like guns, abortion and same-sex marriage that divide the Democratic and Republican bases. They are issues of political reform and economic justice that divide both party’s elites from both parties’ bases, and the American people from their government. On these issues we find the elites of both parties shockingly alike. Among them: global trade; financial deregulation and prosecution of financial crimes; the social safety net including Social Security, Medicare, a living wage and health care for all; above all, the “soft corruption” of pay to play politics.

I often talk to Democrats who don’t know Obama chose not to raise the minimum wage as president even though he had the votes for it.

2. 2. Hillary Clinton has neither their deft personal touch nor protean verbal skills. When she tries to distract the base or paper over its differences with elites, voters see through her, even if, in their hearts, they don’t want to. In Michigan she tried to smear Sanders as a foe of the auto bailout. Before that she sent Chelsea and Bill out to say Bernie would kill Medicare. Each time she ended up only hurting herself. She has tried to co-opt Sanders’ positions on global trade, climate change, military adventurism, a living wage and universal health care.

It’s always too little, too late. Voters sense she’s just moving pawns on a chess board in part because she can never explain her change of heart and often doesn’t even try.

3. The performance of the press has been abysmal. Watching CNN and MSNBC last night was painful, as was reading the Washington Post or the New York Times this morning. The TV coverage was of a piece with all other 2016 election coverage. Last night FOX, CNN and MSNBC kept cameras glued on Trump for 40 minutes as he delivered a bizarre, rambling rant in which he talked about himself, his opponents and some steaks he was either selling or giving away.

As Bernie made history,..... An MSNBC panel consisting of Brian Williams, Rachel Maddow, Gene Robinson, Lawrence O’Donnell and Chuck Todd dove right into a discussion of who Hillary might choose as her running mate

When revolution’s in the air polls, money and ads mean far less. Reporters who know nothing else can’t conceive how voters choosing among a democratic socialist, a pay-to-play politician and a fascist might pick door number one. They bought Hillary’s myth of inevitability, but as Lawrence of Arabia told Prince Ali in the desert, nothing is written. If Democratic voters really use their heads, they’ll see through the tactical arguments just like the voters of Michigan did — and then walk into voting booths all over America and vote their hearts. Then there will be change.


Thank dog people are finally waking up!
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GREAT analysis of last night written by a former White House counselor to President Clinton !! (Original Post) jillan Mar 2016 OP
Nicely written Kall Mar 2016 #1
"she doesn’t even know it’s wrong" tk2kewl Mar 2016 #33
or, perhaps, she does know that it's wrong. /nt NCjack Mar 2016 #63
Bit of both? But I can tell she relies on those closest to her for her information glinda Mar 2016 #75
Thank you. Great article! PatrickforO Mar 2016 #2
Wow. I wish I had written that! FINALLY, they seem to be "getting it" FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #3
And THIS: Lorien Mar 2016 #4
Yes! The whole article is great. I hope everyone goes in and reads it in full. jillan Mar 2016 #5
I posted it at 5am, another DUer posted it at 7:30am Lorien Mar 2016 #12
Oh good! I'm glad I missed your post & the other one because jillan Mar 2016 #34
.... Lorien Mar 2016 #48
Where does this quote come from? Beartracks Mar 2016 #19
I don't think it's a quote passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #24
Uh... Beartracks Mar 2016 #50
Thanks for that. Reflects many of my feelings and then some. nt Jarqui Mar 2016 #6
Wow! Thank you for the post! emsimon33 Mar 2016 #7
K&R pberq Mar 2016 #8
When the left and the right stop fighting each other and come together in common purpose, Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #9
I think the point is the old leftirght paradigm is no more... Human101948 Mar 2016 #38
Excellent post Blus4u Mar 2016 #10
It breaks my heart that Rachel Maddow has sold out. I loved her on the radio but knew if rhett o rick Mar 2016 #11
I hope she leaves MSGOP soon if it is not already too late for her to save a shred of her dignity corkhead Mar 2016 #14
I was also an early listener. Sad to see it go. Now I go to progressivevoices.com and rhett o rick Mar 2016 #15
Rachel breaks my heart! TheUndecider Mar 2016 #31
Yeah big ex-Rachel fan here too marions ghost Mar 2016 #66
+1 nt Duval Mar 2016 #29
bye rachel jello Mar 2016 #52
K&R. Great piece! nt riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #13
Nate Silver and that MSNBC panel made me think of John McCain saying the fundamentals of the Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #16
strategy. not a man w/ a plan. pansypoo53219 Mar 2016 #17
Berniequality or Hillagarchy? mhatrw Mar 2016 #18
Nice, I'm going to be using that! TheUndecider Mar 2016 #32
I don't mind. Bern on. mhatrw Mar 2016 #62
K&R Red Oak Mar 2016 #20
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #21
Great article, thanks for posting BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #22
Thanks! I will start following him. jillan Mar 2016 #26
+1 snagglepuss Mar 2016 #47
I'll say it again passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #49
Awesome! Fuddnik Mar 2016 #23
Salon is too busy to take new traffic passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #25
Awesome! jillan Mar 2016 #27
Shout it out passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #28
great article! Big K and R! bbgrunt Mar 2016 #30
speed read articles with "spritz reading apps" in play store. nt griloco Mar 2016 #35
Great article. Encouraging. highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #36
K& Big R zentrum Mar 2016 #37
This Revolt Has Been Building For Years - The DWS, DNC, DLC, Third-Way Has Only Themselves To Blame cantbeserious Mar 2016 #39
Every word true. My favorite part about how Dems overlook what Obama CHOSE NOT to do: DiehardLiberal Mar 2016 #40
it's the mushroom tactic--keep them in the dark and shovel manure at them MisterP Mar 2016 #41
And, he choose not raise the minimum wage noiretextatique Mar 2016 #53
Heard Jorge Ramos on NPR yesterday re: Obama and immigration reform bigbrother05 Mar 2016 #67
He squandered so much political capital - one has to wonder why. I'm with you about shooting high DiehardLiberal Mar 2016 #72
...an MSNBC panel consisting of Brian Williams, Rachel Maddow, Gene Robinson, SoapBox Mar 2016 #42
Outstanding article! leftcoastmountains Mar 2016 #43
I did not know some of this: JDPriestly Mar 2016 #44
Thank you. ConsiderThis_2016 Mar 2016 #45
"Revolution's in the air" starroute Mar 2016 #46
Really a great song and one that would resonate with younger voters I bet. StandingInLeftField Mar 2016 #55
Great song, great performance mikehiggins Mar 2016 #68
Great song, fine performance mikehiggins Mar 2016 #69
And they're trying not to televise it Laughing Mirror Mar 2016 #76
wow, we are not alone jello Mar 2016 #51
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Thank you, jillan! eom Enthusiast Mar 2016 #54
The emperor has NO clothes, No excuse, and No Clue! Ford_Prefect Mar 2016 #56
"Obama chose not to raise minimum wage though he had the votes for it." Divernan Mar 2016 #57
Me too. I had no idea. Wtf? Never heard a word. jillan Mar 2016 #60
Thank you for sharing this. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #58
I read the article... HillareeeHillaraah Mar 2016 #59
Bernie won by 1.5% in Michigan. Hardly earth shattering. MariaThinks Mar 2016 #61
Considering all the major polls bernbabe Mar 2016 #64
very true MariaThinks Mar 2016 #65
Is the Hillary camp "finally waking up"? Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #70
What bums me out is there is still a moderate percentage of people who ..... Duckfan Mar 2016 #71
I hope he's right shireen Mar 2016 #73
K&R! dchill Mar 2016 #74
 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
33. "she doesn’t even know it’s wrong"
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:10 PM
Mar 2016
With her Super PAC (and hers and Bill’s breathtaking haul of $153 million in mostly corporate speaking fees), she is the living avatar of pay to play politics. She shouldn’t be the Democratic nominee for president because she doesn’t even know it’s wrong.



glinda

(14,807 posts)
75. Bit of both? But I can tell she relies on those closest to her for her information
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:51 PM
Mar 2016

and sadly they have their interests in mind and not that of the Country or Planet. I do not want someone like this as President.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
4. And THIS:
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:51 PM
Mar 2016
Voters want political reform and economic justice. They know that without reform they’ll never get justice. Bernie Sanders is the only candidate who shares that opinion. The election is part of a broader revolt against a failed status quo. Clinton is an architect of that status quo; Trump, a big beneficiary. So she hides her transcripts and he hides his tax returns. Bernie is an open book. It’s why he has the highest favorability rating of any candidate in the race and Clinton has the lowest of any presidential candidate in the history of polling, except for Trump.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
5. Yes! The whole article is great. I hope everyone goes in and reads it in full.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:55 PM
Mar 2016

Maybe I should've posted the entire thing?

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
12. I posted it at 5am, another DUer posted it at 7:30am
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:18 PM
Mar 2016

and now this one; eventually I hope that most DUers get the message that it IS an important read!

jillan

(39,451 posts)
34. Oh good! I'm glad I missed your post & the other one because
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:12 PM
Mar 2016

the more it's posted, the better chance it will get read.

Beartracks

(12,797 posts)
19. Where does this quote come from?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:17 PM
Mar 2016

I'm not finding that in the article linked to in the OP...

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Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
9. When the left and the right stop fighting each other and come together in common purpose,
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:00 PM
Mar 2016

we do great things! When we fight each other instead, nothing changes for the better and the elites always win.


WIN! Bernie WIN!

We need your revolution!

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
38. I think the point is the old leftirght paradigm is no more...
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:32 PM
Mar 2016

It's about the 99 percent finally waking up to the fact that the elite have screwed us over for the past thirty years and people are finally fed up. Unfortunately, the authoritarian personalities love Trump and if they follow their hearts will be lead into a dictatorship that will look like something out of Argentina under the Perons. Trump is a one percenter who is centered on only himself and increasing his power.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
11. It breaks my heart that Rachel Maddow has sold out. I loved her on the radio but knew if
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:16 PM
Mar 2016

she went to the Corp-Media, she couldn't remain progressive. She is becoming an Alan Colmes, a token liberal for the Corp-Media.

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
14. I hope she leaves MSGOP soon if it is not already too late for her to save a shred of her dignity
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:46 PM
Mar 2016

I am saying that as a listener since day one of AirAmerica.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
15. I was also an early listener. Sad to see it go. Now I go to progressivevoices.com and
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:51 PM
Mar 2016

watch Thom Hartmann on RT. I think Rachel's gone. Once you cross over, there's no turning back, IMHO.

 

TheUndecider

(93 posts)
31. Rachel breaks my heart!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:07 PM
Mar 2016

I think she is a very astute journalist and I love her delivery. Just one example of excellence in journalism is her coverage of Flint, which she's been talking about and investigating before anyone else. Her behavior vis a vie Sanders electability is shameful.

jello

(33 posts)
52. bye rachel
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:29 PM
Mar 2016

Yes, Rachel has sold out, maybe that's why her smiles look so painful. I actually emailed her about the religious plant at the end of the last debate, about how those questions, and Cooper's follow-up were despicable beyond words. Not a word back. I challenged her to discuss it on her show...NOTHING!!

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
16. Nate Silver and that MSNBC panel made me think of John McCain saying the fundamentals of the
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:58 PM
Mar 2016

economy are sound while the Dow was plunging before our very eyes. What a line up of shills that was, not a hint of insight from any of them, they were assuming Bernie was finished, they were extensively incorrect in a fantastic amount of detail.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
49. I'll say it again
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:32 PM
Mar 2016
Asked about her Goldman Sachs speaking fees, Hillary offered two rationales. One was the perennial favorite “everyone does it.” The other was equally flippant. (“That’s what they offered.”) Since leaving the White House she and Bill have hauled in $153 million in speaking fees. Her deepest flaw is she doesn’t know it’s wrong. As I’ve written twice here and said often elsewhere, I’ve great respect for her. Her flaw is denial, not dishonesty — but her denial runs deep.


Soft corruption or whatever Kennedy wants to call it, is endemic to the establishment and why it will continue to run and ruin this economy for the majority of people, and block progressive change.

Obama got sucked into it quickly once in office. I hope he really wasn't like that before, but he has backed or given in on entirely too many policies that are wrong, and that's the only reason I can see him doing so. I love the man dearly and know in his heart he's a good man, but in many things he's been wrong. Perhaps for him it's denial too.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
28. Shout it out
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:02 PM
Mar 2016
With her Super PAC (and hers and Bill’s breathtaking haul of $153 million in mostly corporate speaking fees), she is the living avatar of pay to play politics. She shouldn’t be the Democratic nominee for president because she doesn’t even know it’s wrong.


And neither do her supporters.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
39. This Revolt Has Been Building For Years - The DWS, DNC, DLC, Third-Way Has Only Themselves To Blame
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:35 PM
Mar 2016

eom

DiehardLiberal

(580 posts)
40. Every word true. My favorite part about how Dems overlook what Obama CHOSE NOT to do:
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:37 PM
Mar 2016
that he was willing to cut Medicare and Social Security and chose not to prosecute Wall Street crimes or pursue ethics reforms in government. They don’t know he dropped the public option or the aid he promised homeowners victimized by mortgage lenders. They don’t know and don’t want to know.


That really resonates for me.

Thanks for posting!!

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
67. Heard Jorge Ramos on NPR yesterday re: Obama and immigration reform
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:36 PM
Mar 2016

He was asked what disappointed him most about our current President. He recalled an interview with then Senator Obama during the 2008 primary. He asked about immigration reform being a priority in a new administration. He said Obama wouldn't promise to address it in the first 100 days, but would certainly do it in the 1st year. That never happened when having a Dem House and 60+ Senators would have assured him being able to ram it through if he had chosen to.

I am extremely proud of our President, but he's as human as any of us and we all make mistakes. No candidate or President will be perfect for all people, but I'd prefer to vote for the one that aims high for the least of us.

DiehardLiberal

(580 posts)
72. He squandered so much political capital - one has to wonder why. I'm with you about shooting high
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:06 PM
Mar 2016

rather than the 'pragmatic' one who 'likes to get things done' 'incrementally' which translates to little progress from the outset. No. We have waited far too long already.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
42. ...an MSNBC panel consisting of Brian Williams, Rachel Maddow, Gene Robinson,
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:47 PM
Mar 2016

Lawerence O'Donnell and Chuck Todd...

Oh I have a special place to put these clowns,

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
44. I did not know some of this:
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:51 PM
Mar 2016
I often talk to Democrats who don’t know Obama chose not to raise the minimum wage as president even though he had the votes for it; that he was willing to cut Medicare and Social Security and chose not to prosecute Wall Street crimes or pursue ethics reforms in government. They don’t know he dropped the public option or the aid he promised homeowners victimized by mortgage lenders. They don’t know and don’t want to know. Their affection for Bill and Barack — and their fear of Republicans — run too deep.


http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/08/pink-slipping-hillary/
55. Really a great song and one that would resonate with younger voters I bet.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:07 AM
Mar 2016

Also, one of the finest piano break-downs EVA!

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
68. Great song, great performance
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:45 PM
Mar 2016

Newman (the guy in the tux) made a couple of albums and covered a lot of really great songs (including Both Sides Now, for example) but this was perhaps his best. I first heard it in a movie called Magic Christian which featured Ringo Starr as well as others.

Don't know what happened to them afterwards (the little guy was listed as Speedy Keen and was, I think, fifteen at the time of this video) but the memory stays long after the performers are gone.

Thank heavens for video.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
69. Great song, fine performance
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:47 PM
Mar 2016

Newman (the guy in the tux) made a couple of albums and covered a lot of really great songs (including Both Sides Now, for example) but this was perhaps his best. I first heard it in a movie called Magic Christian which featured Ringo Starr as well as others.

Don't know what happened to them afterwards (the little guy was listed as Speedy Keen and was, I think, fifteen at the time of this video) but the memory stays long after the performers are gone.

Thank heavens for video.

Laughing Mirror

(4,185 posts)
76. And they're trying not to televise it
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 04:24 PM
Mar 2016

Nice to hear Thunderclap Newman again with this. Certainly does fit the times.

jello

(33 posts)
51. wow, we are not alone
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:21 PM
Mar 2016

Great article, thanks for posting, will go read it in entirety. He said everything I think. Can we truly hope that American people will see the light and ignore the talking heads all over mainstream media who are beholden to whomever their head honchos tell them they are beholden to??

Ford_Prefect

(7,869 posts)
56. The emperor has NO clothes, No excuse, and No Clue!
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:13 AM
Mar 2016

Finally someone from inside the political machinery tells the simple truth.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
57. "Obama chose not to raise minimum wage though he had the votes for it."
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:18 AM
Mar 2016

That is big news to me. And that is despicable -

 

HillareeeHillaraah

(685 posts)
59. I read the article...
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:26 AM
Mar 2016

My takeaway?

Bernie won Michigan by 1.5%

If more people vote for him then the revolution will happen.

Only smart people voted for Bernie.


So what's new here? what's the newsworthy part? Isn't that what the Sanders camp says after every primary?

Just asking....

bernbabe

(370 posts)
64. Considering all the major polls
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:30 AM
Mar 2016

projected him losing by 20 points or more on average, it was a great win. It proved he could be competitive and win in larger states. It also was a good sign for upcoming states like Ohio, Illinois and Wisconsin.

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
71. What bums me out is there is still a moderate percentage of people who .....
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:56 PM
Mar 2016

....want things to remain the same.

I guess it's called "selfishness".

I've got mine, but too bad for you if you can't find a good job or are poor.

Bernie's message should be resonating with more voters who have had enough. In other words, it's taken a lot of time to get out there.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
73. I hope he's right
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:34 PM
Mar 2016

Thanks for posting. Very interesting article, tho' I thought he could have toned down on the snark in some sections about Hillary. He clearly does not like her. But his analysis was refreshing.

My nagging concern is that not enough people are going to see through the tactics.

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