I love that once someone exposes themself on the internet, it can never be hidden away again.

Have tried to express my political views with strength but sensitivity.

Very interested in resolving the racial divide that is to some very large degree spitting the Democratic Party in two right now.

nt

by posters other than me and ..... crickets.

Here are links, if anyone want to comment in those threads for visibility:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511528965#post38

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511529186#post127

They have a specific kind of hallmark attacks.

But I am not 100% sure so i shouldn't say.

But they are well known internationally.

Wish we "Democrats" could chill a little bit, and try to get to the fundamental things that bring us together.

That is one of the worst sites out there - it's wall to wall racism, misogyny, anti-Semitism, homophobia and hatred for everything liberal.

That is a vile post.

You know who and it was! I had her pegged from day one.

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and it turned out you weren't after all?

What vile shit that is. Glad it's here for all to see.

Thanks, Kath.

not her. I knew what she was just reading all the reprehensible things she's posted the last 10 months. Too transparent to miss.

Unfortunately, she's not the only one.

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but I have to admit, from all the expressions of sympathy and (now I'll say it) juvenile outrage I've read every time she's gotten a time-out, well... words fail me.

Now that the doors have swung wide open around here, it's clearly going to get much, much uglier than I could have ever imagined.

Lots of hatred and anger on display and a stated purpose to troll Bernie supporters.

Who has any time or desire to engage with someone after being exposed like that? Complete waste of time.

leave du - all of a sudden - and then returned a short time later? the posts were radical in the beginning - but upon return they were extreme racism - reverse and outright self projection - almost as though it is a different person posting.

could it be the handle and "persona" were purchased in order to exploit? some bells went off when said poster's avatar changed and another poster (a prolific hillary-ite poster) took on the avatar.

I stopped reading anything she posted. I knew what she was pretty early on. I knew from whence her hatred stemmed. Bernie's Jewish.

She's not the only one in that group, so I read none of what any of them say.

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Insinuating that Bernie and Jane have a bad marriage.

Whats crazier is people actually take this seriously!!

But they can't get rid of this now that it's out.

On Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:24 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Very interesting piece by a Black woman on the Sanders campaign
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280152392

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is rude

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:35 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: It's worse than rude. The harassment against Bravenak must end.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I find the post to be reprehensible, the writer is clearly misinformed about the Bernie's supporters, he is the only candidate advocating for true social and economic justice, that will benefit my community greatly (yes, I'm African American) that someone would vote against their own interests to spite someone else base on lies and misinformation is unfortunate to me. The truth is the vast majority of AAs who have blindly and foolishly supported HRC, all base on name recognition and perceived loyalty to President Obama. I vote to leave the post alone, let the people see the ignorance being spewed.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not sure what the alert is about, leave it alone when in doubt.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's rude to troll a protective group looking for faux outrage. How dare you try to silence a black woman's voice and experience. Shameful

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

Glad to have been wrong.

I love the ignore function.

Seriously though, folks.

LIS.

Please. Trust me.

I'm tired of having to re-ignore. When the gates of hell re-opened, I had to re-issue my personal writs. banishment.

People have been getting hides, and timed out - sometimes for months - for responding to her baiting. Yet now she's back because of amnesty while we had to wait out our time. And posting garbage like this knowing Sanders had family wiped out in the Holocaust.

Wtf??

You think she's done?

Not even close, she's just getting started.

Stop adding fuel to the fire.

And I know exactly what she's done - to me, and to others - she can't get any worse than she has ... so don't tell me what to do.

Antisemitism is ugly. Its good to have the antisemites bravely posting their true position. They stain themselves...make them wear it.

Truth telling is some awesome stuff.

She wants this to disappear. Badly.

vile posts out every time. They need to be seen.

Taking her bait is another.

But what do I know?

She didn't bring it here.

Someone else chose to expose the antisemitic hypocrisy and game-playing.

It's not 'taking her bait' if she's not even posting in the damn thread.

And if you don't know what you are doing, haven't done your own internal work on race, or don't fully understand how racial dynamics work, you will find yourself on the defensive. Once people like her have you on defensive, they do not let you get back up. Period. This is exactly what happened to Willy, then the more you try to correct it, the worse it gets. It's a "stop digging" type of situation.

You have to choose your battles and she is honestly more of a distraction anyway, getting us worked up and focused on her instead of Bernie. Also, it gets us in an anti-Clinton position rather the a pro Bernie one. For her, it's a win-win.

It also increases racial resentment so people like me have a harder slog of it. I have been trying to build bridges for years, not in any official way but in my life.

Eventually she will meet her match, or a group of matches, it sounds like she may already have at Kos. Which is fine, nothing to do with me though.

I'm here for Bernie 2016.

Point it out.


And who exactly are you to tell me what to say? No worries, I can handle that person perfectly well without your 'advice'.

And 'she' didn't set me up to do anything - she's not even here. But you are trying your hardest for some reason .......... not quite hard enough yet though.

I give up.

very hard on another Bernie post. Makes me wonder if she really is a Bernie supporter.

warning despite hearing people's concerns - that don't seem to matter one bit.

But I do take a small, perverse pleasure in seeing some her rancid thought process laid bare. And won't let that send me down her path. Just a wee happy dance and I'm done with it.

Schadenfreude... Tsk tsk

If she chooses to take subversive action about it. It is on her. Her actions are always her choice just as everyone is.

I say Let It Fly.

and I'm thinking wait If Jews are racist does that mean Blacks are Anti Semites ? that would be the going assumption if they are voting against someone simply because they are Jewish and believe BS that has no factual basis in reality.

with their votes, HRC is not the best candidate, Bernie's agenda lines up squarely with African American community, I would have never believed we would vote against our own interests when given a better choice. It disturbs me to no end that white right wingers don't have a patent on stupidity.

Although after reading the link, I can think of a few more choice euphemisms.

But "it" only elevates her even more.

I can think of several myself, I'm not a fan.

Is a troll an "it"?

The internet makes it difficult to discern satire from genuine opinions. Glad this case was an example of the former.

magazine

I'd also add what the HCG admins thought of their candidate back in 07-08

K & R

so overcome by the racism that that's what set her off

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1497565/60170036#comment_60170036

It's the big psychological payoff. Classic Histrionic personality.

On Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:16 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Anti-semitic online comments about Sanders and his supporters
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511533739

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Posting disruptive meta a second time after it was locked by the hosts here:http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511533345

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:26 PM, and voted 6-1 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No need to drag every piece of internet trash into DU
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Wasn't one locked thread enough for you? Guess not! I do hope this thread gets hidden.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I agree with the alerter. This post is nothing more than flamebait. We should be better than this.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Totally starting a riot, people have been banned from DU for less

and people who repeatedly denounce DU and rack up hide after hide are treated like the victims and exempted from all punishment

So they can come back and do it all over again....

So what happens? The rules get changed to suit and they're allowed back in--and look how that's playing out.

Skinner knew who he was letting back in here.

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We've seen it here before.

Hands are clean...easy peasy.

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were hounded out of here by howling mobs? All that talk of ponies and such?

Sadly, those people set a new tone for DU that remains with us.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

DU will never be what it use to be back in 2000. It was such a cool web site. Now we're seeing exactly why it exists.

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...and that's why, for the first time in a very long time, I didn't renew my star.

I just put that person on permanent ignore. After reading the Kos diary... there is nothing that woman has to say that I will ever listen to. Thanks Kath. Fug that.

I put her on complete ignore. I have no interest in her opinion on ANYTHING after reading that mess.

Then I am Maedhros.

Especially with low-post-count 'newbs' (sockpuppets?) that show up with the same, tired, inane arguments that I no longer have the energy to debunk AGAIN.

And, of course, the transparently dishonest "I like Bernie BUT..." posters.

I exercised the ignore feature liberally during the Snowden debates. Sometimes when folks come down on the wrong side of very important issues you just don't care what else they think about anything because their judgement was so skewered over the major ones. and the change Bernie represents is one of those things.

If one doesn't believe in basic civil rights, like the protection from unwarranted search and seizure, then they can fuck right off.

Also when folks were complaining about Black lives matter protests shutting down streets and highways.

over Bush lying us into the Iraq War with falsehoods about WMD, then in the same breath excusing those who lied us into military action against Libya with falsehoods about genocide.

If wars of choice based on lies are wrong, they are wrong. It is not dependent upon whether we like the President doing it.

Absolutely.

That person freakin'' nailed it.

That is the kindest way I know how to say it. That she feels the need to post like this on the internet makes me wonder if she shouldn't seek therapy and medication.

(I just now meant thanks for the gif.)

That several DUers captured screen shots of before access was restricted. And then there was the 'threatening letters' that got exposed as being self-written. It seems she's the 2016 version of 'backwards B girl'.

Wow. I did not know that.

Somebody noticed the postmarks were her own city.

talking about the Sanders campaign and issues that are important to all of us. Check it out. Read the whole interview its really superb.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/102411595

You have to pity someone who lives with so much hatred in their heart.

Gleefully proclaiming that old white men are dying off, slamming white liberals, whining to Thom Hartmann, the bullshit stalking letters, the vile anti-Semitic post to Kos, numerous hides, chronic timeouts, TOXICITY. Why has this poster not been banned, like Manny and WillyT?

My post was hid.

IOKIYAHS ?

and getting away with it. I don't spend much time in ATA, but I get the impression Skinner, et al. are sympathetic toward her... someone who trashes their site every chance she gets. I really don't get it.

around here.

I'll leave it at that.

I have pretty much ignored over the years based on posting content here, but finally put on full ignore after the most recent outbreak of the cray. Only the second time in all of my years here.

Nice to see my suspicions were on target.

Eek.
And I wonder how many comments they have made over there?

similar to one given here in her now self-deleted "Apology" thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027698667: that she was mad and hurt after reading the comment thread on FrontPage Mag and lashed out. Note the FrontPage comments are shown in chronological order, and only the first five would have been posted before Bravenak's comment (deleted after she was outed on DK) - not all 16 as implied in a comment by catalinus.

The link to the FrontPage Mag antisemitic rant can be found by going here:
http://fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=117360


The excuse was not very well received by Kossacks:
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1497565/60171412
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1497565/60173935

Then downthread a bit there are other comments in reply to the excuse, such as this one by catnappe

As a relative newcomer and someone who only stops in a couple times a week to browse, this seems pretty ugly to me.

the more outrage, the more page clicks, the more ad revenue for the owners.

Welcome to DU!

I gave a couple bucks because I use this website to aggregate links for research. But on other forums, it seems like loosing the resident bulls in the china shop reaches a point where they are driving away more traffic than they are bringing.

I was on a jury maybe an hour ago...yup, she was right in the middle of it.

A reply to her got a Leave!

And interesting this person is on their fourth Jury Hide in a week after the amnesty. How many hides can one get after amnesty before a time out? Just checking the rules and all.

It seems that rather than seeing amnesty as a second chance, the unhinged group is viewing it as carte blanche to ramp up the vitriol. Since anyone could see that coming, I assume It was Skinners intent.

and I don't understand why she hasn't been tombstoned. She was the first person I ever put on Ignore, and I only did that a month or so ago. Two others have been put on Ignore since.

I generally have a high tolerance for the dissent and comments I see here. I've learned to simply ignore in the general sense certain people who I know I don't agree with. But that poster is so totally over the top.

Especially while we have a Jewish presidential candidate.

I don't get it.

She's admitted it many time here and on other sites; she's doing her damnnest to destroy this board once and for all, and yet, she stays. With full backing of the candidate's supporters not named Bernie, and apparently the admin.

Think about that. An admitted anti-semitic troll is getting to run wild here, and the admins are cool w/ it.

Strange, indeed.