he will not indict her under any condition...I used to say bush* could murder a baby in Macy's window and nothing would be done...there ya go!

The very PROMPT denial is part of what makes me think he is not going along with it.

That's up to the DOJ. If the DOJ wants to indict, Obama could try to intervene, but then that could get very messy, publicly messy.

is supposed to be impartial.

Obama still has a life to lead and money to earn and most important a legacy to think about.

If Hillary needs to be indicted, or if her staff needs to be indicted, indictments will be issued.

I really thought the e-mail scandal was just another right-wing bit of troublemaking and slander.


But when I read about the disclosure of very secret information from informants in Sudan that was sent to Blumenthal via clearly insecure e-mails (didn't someone hack Blumthal's e-mail and wasn't that how Hillary's e-mail account was discovered), I realized that lives may have been jeopardized here.

It's whether lives are jeopardized that appears to have been an issue in the Chelsea Manning case as I understand it (and I have not done research on this so I am not sure). That's the question about Snowden. Did he jeopardize any lives? I haven't seen any evidence to that effect with Snowden, but certainly here, with the names of Sudanese informants being sent in an e-mail to Blumenthal's hackable account, we have that problem.

So, I am one who just thought the e-mail scandal was another Republican boondoggle, but now I am having second thoughts.

If people need to be indicted, in this political situation, they will be indicted I think.

Hillary is hated by the right-wingers. If they have the chance to damage her personally, they will. They are unforgiving.

A special prosecutor could be named.

Hillary is not well like by Obama admin. He was pissed at her actions as SoS and over the primary. 2008 primary was one of the worst DNC ones I remember ever for rat-fuckery(until this one)

At end of a 2 term President all cabinet members resign. Usually when a cabinet member does not get appointed after that it is because the President did not want them back and resigning saves him the trouble of firing someone. There is no logical reason for her to not continue a 2nd term as SoS. 3 years out of spot light is not a good idea for someone running for POTUS. But thanks to the idiot Republicans she got plenty of press off Benghazi shit. If those dumb asses had not mad such a circus out of it this email shit would of sunk her campaign.

She may have genuinely wanted to leave SOS. I wouldn't assume she was pushed out. There was tons of money to be made giving speeches, and then a presidential campaign to pursue.

I don't see that happening.

I hope Ida is correct, but it's hard to say if a Democratic presidential candidate would be indicted under a Democratic administration and by his appointed AG.

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And others in the DOJ think she should be indicted, like I said things could get publicly messy.

under the assumption that being President would protect him from a sexual harassment law suit, Bill Clinton got impeached for getting a blow job from an intern who didn't swallow while hanging out in the White House, and the Democratic brand was tarnished for multiple elections, which severely impacted their ability to attract financial donations.

Not saying the folks at DNC are the brightest bulbs in the box, but right now Hillary is their bread-and-butter. If it looks like she's going down, they will dessert the sinking ship (if you will pardon the mixed metaphors).

I don't think he'll take her down. He's on record as thinking she's the best successor.

No way he agrees to Loretta Lynch indicting her.

That said, the fallout from a FBI recommendation to indict?

Yeah. Yuuuge

and that's a big if.

No way the people investigating this case let their hard work go to waste.

He's in a tight spot. He probably wishes Bernie had just friggin' won already allowing Hillary to go peacefully.

But if he sees she's going down hard and he can't get her to move aside, well... he's not going out on a limb unless he has to.

Lynch already told him 'hands off; and Obama is way too smart to get his ass in a legal jam, so I don't see him trying to avert justice.

As far as us pleebs go, it doesn't look good for Hillary. Thank gawd Bernie's hanging in there.

We know about this, Bernie knows even more.

But what can he do? He did say ""we don't want to hear about your emails" and I took that as a statement that the deepness of it goes way down and whatever shall be will be.

Has Bernie recently laid off going right at Clinton the way he did weeks ago? If he has pulled back maybe he knows he can coast on her and start looking at the GE?

I really need to go dig into WikiLeaks tomorrow.

Should be interesting reading.

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I will definitely hit those links on my laptop tomorrow...Thanks so much!

I think the Clintons think they're untouchable/ invincible since surviving Whitewater. Times have changed though. Liberals now know all the damage they did while in office and aren't going to be defending them this time around. We know who they really are.

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Was Blumenthal paid by the Clinton Foundation?

If true, then what does that mean about Hillary and what does that mean about the Clinton Foundation?

The plot thickens.

Ugggggh!

I'm not a Hillary fan, but this kind of makes me feel sick to my stomach. I feel sorry for people who get themselves into messes like this.

By the way, Sidney Blumenthal is a brilliant man. But he was not hired by our government. It's OK if he feeds intelligence to the government even though he is not employed. But there is something rather sick and underhanded about what appears to have been going on based on these e-mails.

What did Hillary do with the information she was getting from Blumenthal?

Did she share it with Obama?

Did Obama know where it was coming from?

Hillary is just not a straightforward person.

Was she building a power base and a separate branch of the State Department so that she would look good or for what reason?

Or was she perfectly on the up-and-up with Obama about her Blumenthal source?

Another reason to vote for Bernie. He's just so much more honest.

From his emails, it look as though he was receiving classified info from State without holding top secret clearance.

That's a BIG no-no.

directly from their intel reports. They also said one of the reports he lifted from had just come out the day before he sent the same information, word for word, via email.

you would think they would prefer that it came out about when it becomes impossible for Bernie to get enough delegates to get the nomination on first ballot. Then we would end up with a similar situation to the Republicons at the convention.

It really makes no sense.

Bad in so many ways.

yell, "Ostrich!", right back at them.

if the FBI thinks there is something there that was indictable and O's Justice Department doesn't do anything about it, expect to see the Bureau leaking like a sieve to the media about it. That in and of itself will be damaging to both O and Clinton.

She should be treated no differently than anyone else would be, but we all know equal protection of the laws is a myth, whether at the local, state or federal level.

Every now and again, they do go after someone high up, but even that is seldom about equal justice and more about grinding an axe of one sort or another.

McCain violated FEC laws in 2008 and quietly paid back the money. Edwards was guilty of adultery and of having a very rich, older woman dote on him and got prosecuted to the hilt for violating FEC laws while his kids were going through 99 problems. Charlie Rangel had an investigation hanging over his head through something like three election cycles, with the President saying on national TV that he should resign, etc. It amounted to very little compared to what goes on and never makes the news.

and hope you are correct in regards to Obama.

Bernie has been working off his bottom since before his informal announcement.

would hand down the indictment...

The writing was on the wall for me when I read about the staffer receiving immunity. My understanding is they just don't do that unless they are going to seek indictment(s).

from CNN

The FBI is still investigating, when/if the DOJ thinks it has a case it will take it to a grand jury for indictment. Grand Juries are almost rubber stamps, government prosecutors don't like to take cases they don't think they have a high chance of winning.

a memorable experience. I was reading up this morning about the Saturday Night Massacre and had forgotten a lot of the details of that over time.

She will not be able to drag any new Democrats with her into either House of Congress, if she were to become the nominee.

That's why she won't be the nominee.

Bernie will be the next President of the United States.

much less a Clinton. What worries me is that if she becomes the nominee, on day 1 the republicans will go batshit insane and she will not have the grace to step aside for the sake of the country.

the FBI is supposed to be non partisan (although probably many are republicans), and the DOJ as well. The case should be judged solely on it's merits. If the FBI has evidence but the DOJ refuses to prosecute I'm sure there will be leaks and the fit will hit the shan.

independent. As you say, however, there will be leakages regardless and that will lead to a terrible outcome. All we can hope is that this occurs before she is coronated. Whatever, I don't expect her to put the country before her own ambition and the turmoil will tear the Democratic party apart.

In the end Nixon stepped down. I'm not sure "fighter" Hillary would.

we have neo cons and Nazis buying themselves into power, and it is a miracle that one willing to represent the people has been allowed to come this far. Before this the left has only had false promises and token representation, so this must be an accomplishment. What is going on reflects the level of corruption.

The truth is, what IS INEVITABLE is that people will not put up with being robbed and lied to much longer. Every generation is being screwed over worse than the one before, so they may be able to delay the inevitable but not prevent it.

These are unpredictable times, we have no idea whether HRC will be indicted before the Fall, so there are many reasons to continue supporting Bernie Sanders all the way through.

But unless times have changed, history indicates that if she is who the PTB want they will squash anything detrimental to her.

Look what they managed with Dubya the chimp, they successfully hid his drug arrests, desertion and much more even though it was all out in the public domain. The Fortunate Son author "committed suicide" after he finally managed to get the book published.

Is he willing to hang his entire legacy on Hillary? Because if he is, then he will go down as one of the worse presidents in recent history. He knows fully what that investigation is about, and I suspect he will refrain from interfering out of fear of her taking his office down with it.

The only way I see him stopping it is if he knew at the time what was going on while she was SoS. That would make him as guilty as she is, and he'd face prosecution as well.

If he cares about this country at all, he'll keep out of it and let her be indicted, hopefully within a month or so (especially if Bernie makes a strong showing and picks up enough delegates to beat her).

But, I've been disappointed before, and as much as I want to agree with you, Ida, I fear nothing will happen. Shades of Bush war crimes. Then we can look forward to impeachment of another Clinton should she manage to win the election. The country will continue to fail and sink even lower.