Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumWhat Americans Don't Understand About Nordic Countries
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-americans-dont-understand-about-nordic-countries-2016-3*snip*
When I lived in Finland, as a middle-class citizen I paid income tax at a rate not much higher than what I now pay in New York City. True, Nordic countries have somewhat higher taxes on consumption than America, and overall they collect more tax revenue than the U.S. currently doespartly from the wealthy. But, as an example, here are some of the things I personally got in return for my taxes: nearly a full year of paid parental leave for each child (plus a smaller monthly payment for an additional two years, were I or the father of my child to choose to stay at home with our child longer), affordable high-quality day care for my kids,one of the worlds best public K-12 education systems, free college, free graduate school, nearly free world-class health care delivered through a pretty decent universal network, and a full year of partially paid disability leave.
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Nordics are not only just as selfish as everyone else on this earth but they canand dodislike many of their fellow citizens just as much as people with different political views dislike each other in other countries. As for homogeneity, Sweden already has a bigger share of foreign-born residents than the U.S. The reason Nordics stick with the system is because they can see that on the whole, they come out aheadnot just as a group, but as individuals.
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Nordic countries are well-ranked when it comes to helping facilitate starting a business. At the most basic level, what the Nordic approach does is reduce the risk of starting a company, since basic services such as education and health care are covered for regardless of the fledgling companys fate. In addition, companies themselves are freed from the burdens of having to offer such services for their employees at the scale American companies do. And if the entrepreneur succeeds, they are rewarded by tax rates on capital gains that are lower than the rate on wages.
From my Nordic-American perspective, Im actually surprised by how many Americans discount Bernie Sanderss policy proposals because at their root theyre no different from what the Nordic countries have already proven works. I understand why Sanders supporters believe in his vision, and I can assure them that they are not being the least bit naive.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)We think we could implement these systems by simply taking over from private, for-profit enterprises. Unfortunately, we have allowed corporate America to gain too much control, and they will demand to be bought out for ten times what they're worth. And many members of our own party, particularly those who get lots of money from health care and insurance interests, will make sure no programs go forward until all the stockholders and CEOs are paid off.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)That the corporations have put in place a system of transnational governance which creates a one way street to privatize existing government services (health care, postal, social security, etc) and prevent instances where privatization failures are returned or transferred to government services.
Note that the area of economic activity is Services, not manufacturing.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)Mind helping me out?
Scuba
(53,475 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)Repeating an important point is sometime useful, but I don't see the utility of your post. It seems like you're trying to imply something and that's what isn't clear. Can you be more explicit?
ETA: Wait - I see that I've made a mistake. I thought I'd pointed out the role of regulation in regard to "ownership" in the above post. It was a little later in the thread - my mistake, sorry.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=152891
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)....and we also have very strong unions. No one, including Bernie, is trying to take away private industry.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)What people don't realize is that when the arch-capitalist sees the words "government ownership of the means of production" the arch-capitalist mind interprets that to include any degree of regulation. They desire complete control of the world - nothing less.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)they think anything with socialist in the title means that everything is state-run. A democratic socialist society is a hybrid. Creation of wealth with a distribution for the benefit for a society as a whole and doesn't leave the poorer section out. America is fleece everyone for what you can get.
[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]No one is advocating "taking over" all private, for-profit interests. Some essential industries, however, simply should not be for profit, while others sorely need to have the corruption and predatory greed regulated out of them.
Because you think that corporations won't "let" us serve The People's interests, we should just give up and continue to fatalistically slide downhill towards full corporate ownership of the country the way we're doing? I don't think so!
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Your post comes across as a typical negative post planted in the #1 position by a HRC supporter. Is it?
Regardless, you have a valid concern even if you've unnecessarily exaggerated the scope and degree. Some industries are going to try to stop the transfer of some services (like health care insurance) to the government sector from the private sector. They will use claims of lost profits and they will support those claims with the trade agreements we've entered into. The problem with that strategy is that already Sanders isn't particularly well disposed to remaining in those trade agreements so the leverage the private companies have over policy is dramatically curtailed compared to what it would be with a global corporatist like Hillary.
Bernie can get it done.
The OP is GREAT.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)She loves it. She says Norway is more people-friendly. She says that the prices for some items are more expensive than the US but it doesn't matter.