Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumBernie Folks... Listen up
Please don't talk about who you may or may not vote for come November. It does no one any good and may just get you banned.
Your vote is your business so you should keep it to yourself. Your participation here and now is what matters, and your Feeling the Bern is all that matters here and now.
I've been a Democrat for over 50 years. I lived thru several republican presidents and I don't ever want to live another day under another one.
Whoever is the Democrat on the presidential ticket will get my vote. Period. Finni. Done deal.
In the meantime I will do whatever I can to make sure it is Bernie, and if not Bernie, do what I can to make sure that our voices are heard loud and clear by whoever is our nominee.
You want to stay on DU? Don't start talking about you're not gonna do this or that come November. It is a long way off and things can change rapidly, so concentrate on the here and now and let what happens in November stay in November.
We need everyone now here, still here in November, so pledge to stick around and do your part. Okay?
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Same old mess from the same old crew deserves an ignore.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Just ignore telling everyone what they don't want to hear about you.
One of the biggest problems on DU is posters getting personal. Your vote is your personal decision, best to just keep it that way and let your words here tell the world that you want to be able to vote for Bernie and leave it at that.
SamKnause
(13,041 posts)I will not be bullied by Hillary supporters.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Hell no. In fact given a fair debate we easily defeat them.
This is a democrat board, telling everyone you will not vote for the democrat will get you banned. I don't make the rules. The rules were here before we joined.
SamKnause
(13,041 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)Because it matters.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)"Whoever is the Democrat on the presidential ticket will get my vote. Period. Finni. Done deal."
This is not necessary. It comes right after you say:
"Your vote is your business so you should keep it to yourself."
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)And want above all to have a unified party come November?
Bob_Roony
(73 posts)You did exactly the opposite of what you are preaching others to do. Keep your vote to yourself!!!
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Keep it to yourself if you want to stay on DU and you plan on being a member here. Pretty much otherwise, do as you please.
If you want to walk down the street yelling out which person you will vote for in November, that's totally up to you.
Heh, I remember saying this in 2004 and 2008 on DU: You will vote for the democrat come November, and you will like it.
Same is true today.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)taking a party loyalty oath only serves to further divide Bernie supporters by encouraging Hillary supporters to demand the same oath from other Bernie supporters. It is no one's business.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)It is no one's business. Just because Hillary voters do it doesn't make me do the same. Duh!
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I plan on voting for Bernie in November.
Really all I am saying here is that if you want to be the same named poster on DU come November, don't start saying you won't vote for the party's nominee. Don't be a PUMA peep.
PUMA's don't fare well on DU. Want to get booted from DU? Being a PUMA could help do just that.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)DUer PUMAS don't really make me mad. Those that do are some of the locals who are dino types. DUers don't even come close to their powerful deceit. So hard to eliminate those Dalek types.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Bob_Roony
(73 posts)I would have said it myself. You got him, bad, real bad. Thank you.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Hahahaha.... what you think this is all some gotcha game? It is not.
Welcome to DU?
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)I didn't take it personally at all.
I was one of the first, and I don't know why the other poster saying the same was banned and I was spared.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)It's only personal if ya make it personal
corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)You expressed my thought exactly. I also am confident that Sanders will win the nomination but, should millions of Americans and I be wrong, I will vote for Hillary because I remember the Bush years. Never again!
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)Thanks for posting this corbettkroehler!
retrowire
(10,345 posts)kick ass and take names.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Win/win situation.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)be here through November.
Some of us may leave in May or June.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Last edited Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:48 PM - Edit history (1)
I've seen a whole lot of posters come and go.
Being however this is the first real sign of revolution I have seen in 50 years, I would miss the true revolutionaries I have met on DU. But somehow we will survive?
"The Redcoats are coming" was the 1776 warning. The revolutionaries didn't get in their face, they created guerrilla warfare, eh?
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)The problem many have with staying on here if she's the nominee is that they don't plan to support her. Some simply just see two evils and not a "lesser than" this time around.
Many will just stay away until Nov. 4 because they will not be able to post anything in support of Clinton. And the site will permeate with calls to get behind her, even in the Lounge. Why risk a permanent ban?
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Hey, I get it that so many will do what they gotta do.
Not ready to concede the nomination. I plan on voting for Bernie in November, him being the party's nominee..
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)With the next seven to eight states going in his favor, he'll build momentum up for the delegate rich states of New York, California and Pennsylvania and could pull this out. Plus, we also don't know what the FBI is doing with Clinton's unsecure email server issue. It's not over.
And, yes, the revolution is bigger than Bernie - I get that. Jackpine Radicals also gets that. They're also supporting the Bernicrats running for Congress and Senate this fall, as well.
and if she becomes the nominee, this place will be unbearable. I'm not going to sit here and get spat on.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)And welcome to Ignore.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)OMG, as a life -long democrat on DU I pledge to vote for the democrat in November!! I am such a bad person!!
I am not and never will be a PUMA.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)and everyone has to do what they feel is right---what is in their heart.
People come at politics from all different angles and viewpoints. Thanks for sharing your viewpoint.
You expressed your opinion and put it on a messageboard. Others may have differing viewpoints and that is ok.
Sometimes it's just good to step back and 'let it be.'
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I don't own or run this site. I do however share it with some fine democrats. And I hate to see them get booted off just because they said one thing that really doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the long run this far from November.
RobertEarl ain't no PUMA type.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)What we will do in November is our business and we should keep it to ourselves. After all, who knows what anybody will do once they are in the voting booth come November. I'm with you, I'll keep supporting Bernie and keep who I will not vote for a secret.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Keep a secret. Heck, most of us can tell who's who anyway.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)so on with supporting Senator Sanders right up to the convention and afterwards.
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AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)I came here to support Bernie. If the rules are that I have to support Hillary to continue participation, well... goodbye.
She can rot in hell with the rest of her neocon/banker/corporate buddies and so can all the people stupid or masochistic enough to vote for her.
I ain't voting for no right-wing Fascist even if she does manage to weasel her way into the Democratic Party nomination.
If nominated, she will destroy the party. "Bank" on it. And she'll do to this country what she did to Libya, Syria, Ukraine, and Honduras.
Hell, I'd hold my nose to even vote for a joker like Trump over her, if that's what it takes to put an end to her genocidal ambitions. The lives of untold millions of human beings absolutely depend on it.
The kind of integrity it takes to support Bernie on principle is the kind that doesn't bend a knee to the likes of Clinton.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)You and I feel pretty much the same as for the candidates.
However, if there is a republican as president, our politics will end at the gate to the WH. If there is a democrat in the WH at least we can get on the grounds.
We'll see what transpires come July and the convention. It's liable to be quite an interesting time there, and here. I plan on being here and there, and discussing it with others.
I'm in politics for the long haul. And sometimes I've had some strange partners in working politics. I've learned to not make enemies... they will make themselves. Democrats are not my enemies, but republicans sure are.
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)then for all intents and purposes we will have a republican as President.
Except this time, we won't have a Democratic caucus in Congress to rely on to oppose these policies.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Not much I can do about it. I may help with the congress race here, but the republican is heavily favored and the dem running is, well, not known at all and as far as I know is not a Bernie type. Had a pretty good one 4 years ago, but he wasn't really a Bernie type either, but I spent some political capital in regards.
Oh well, my county went 8-5 for Bernie! I like it here.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)(Although Hillary isn't a fascist; per se-- what do you call a rampant corporatist? A kleptomaniacal plutocrat?)
dana_b
(11,546 posts)"I'd hold my nose to even vote for a joker like Trump over her" - I won't go that far. There will be many other names on that ballot.
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)I dream of more people like Sanders getting into all three branches of government. If it can be done through a third party, it's nothing I've ever experienced. I don't imagine it can be done by not voting.
jillan
(39,451 posts)And it isn't.
But I will say this. If Bernie does not get the nom.... I'm outta here.
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RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)That's the idea. Do it again. One more time this year!
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GoldenThunder
(300 posts)...is not to save any particular political party, but to take this country back from oligarchy. And mark my word, we will defeat the oligarchs, politically or otherwise.
coyote
(1,561 posts)I am still not voting for the warhawk and her neoliberal policies in November (assuming she gets the nomination).
I don't understand people voting for Democrats simply because they have a (D) after thier names despite all the evidence possible that they are the furthest things from Democrats.
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delrem
(9,688 posts)Some people believe that ramping up the PNAC wars rather than ending them is just plain wrong.
Some people believe that too many countries have been invaded and destroyed already, their physical and social infrastructure wiped out.
Some people believe the big investment banks don't need any more deregulation.
Some people believe that war profiteers ought not be enabled.
Go ahead, vote for more. That's your freedom. But you'd better start right now looking in the mirror and practicing your lines, because unlike Republicans who can be honest about what they're about, a vote for HRC requires a false front. Requires you to deny it.
Practice saying it: "HRC isn't a neocon, she's a liberal interventionist and the PNAC wars are over now, they've morphed into being progressive wars of liberation." Practice saying it: "I'm for universal health care, so long as the profits of health insurance companies are ensured forever."
It'll require a lot of practice, but if you vote for it then you'll own it.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)R2P, which stands for America's -RIGHT- to protect others based on how we alone interpret the need to protect them.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Echoes the UN "responsibility to protect" or R2P.
... they meant well ...
I was enjoying a bit of poetic license in my phrasing - in an attempt to mirror the psychology behind the Dem Party establishment's embrace of folk like Robert Kagan, Victoria Nuland, Henry Kissinger, and the entire clusterfuck of amoral bad apples who've been engineering the PNAC wars. After all, Robert Kagan outright said that Dems won't accept "neocon" but will be more likely to accept "liberal interventionist", and on alternate Tuesdays and Thursdays HRC claims to be "the most progressive" politician. So perhaps I was sloppy, the poetry coming too easy.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)So what we need to do is make sure Bernie gets elected.
Maybe instead of telling me what I should do, some of those telling me what I should do should be out working to get Bernie elected?
I am not the problem. The system is. I have busted my ass on fixing the system and all the while have been knifed in the back time and again by those who rather rant than work to make the changes.
Like Bernie, who has thrown his hopes on the democratic party to make changes, I am left with that one choice and there being no better alternative, will vote for whoever is the party nominee.
What any of the rest of you do is your choice. Haven't I made that clear?
delrem
(9,688 posts)You wrote an OP, and contradicted yourself in it. That's all.
That is, you contradicted yourself if you consider yourself to be a "Bernie supporter" who falls under the umbrella of your advice: "Bernie Folks... Listen up
Please don't talk about who you may or may not vote for come November. "
Followed immediately by a declaration of who you'll be voting for come November, come hell or high water:
"Whoever is the Democrat on the presidential ticket will get my vote. Period. Finni. Done deal."
Now, you may not see that as a contradiction. But as you know by now, others disagree. Likewise some might concur with your loyalty oath, but others might not agree - for a lot of reasons.
You repeat the contradiction in your reply to me. You say:
"What any of the rest of you do is your choice. Haven't I made that clear?"
No, you didn't make that clear. You told us to listen up, then to shut up if we disagree with you.
So naturally you didn't get universal accord.