Bernie Sanders
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Boom shakalaka! Bernie for President!
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)the pro Hillary one which makes absolutely no sense
this was a good retort to that one.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)I can't resist fooling around with graphics occasionally. And, yeah, the pro-Hillary one stuck me as off-the-mark, too.
Glad I'm not the only one up at this uncivilized hour.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)Old Crow
(2,212 posts)... it was in response to the graphic below from the opposing camp. All in good fun. No unicorns were harmed in the production of this rebuttal.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=19964
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Or maybe those were the college young dems chauffered in and given pre-screened questions in advance. And those "Conversations" With Hillary fund-raisers? If they were like the one held near my house, HRC gives the same feel good talk, and then poses for 10 seconds each for one picture with anyone who coughed up $2,700. Move em in, head em out - keep those dogies movin' -Rawhide!
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)- appears to be Twitter. One of those people sort of looked like Chelsea to me.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)... you're clairvoyant.
So after reading your comment above, it occurred to me to do a Google Search on that image in the pro-Hillary graphic, the one where she's holding a cup of coffee and listening to real voters. You nailed it. It was a pre-arranged meeting back in April of this year at a LeClaire, Iowa coffee shop. In attendance were Austin Bird, a former Clinton campaign intern, Carter Bell, president of the University of Iowa College Democrats, and Sara Sedlacek, of Planned Parenthood of the Heartland.
There's certainly nothing wrong in having a pre-arranged meeting with people involved with and interested in your campaign. But it certainly wasn't any kind of spontaneous sit-down with "everyday Americans," to use Clinton's phrase (since discarded when it fell flat with focus groups). It's more of the staged, insulated, same-old same-old.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Next she'll be driving a Volvo. I wonder if she's voting for Bernie?
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Looks like those 3 were bussed in, immediately posed at the table for the picture and then were sent on their way. No water glasses, no coffee - nada.
For all those millions, HRC is so cheap with her staff - makes them pay for their own cell phones and transportation. She's in her private jet, they're on the local Greyhound bus.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)I can imagine all 3 of those young people, dressed up and desperately thinking maybe they can parlay this meeting into a paying job. But hey, at least they got a FREE picture w/ Hillary - that's a savings of $2,700 each!
Look at the other "normal" people/regular customers in the background - all in jeans, sweatshirts and tshirts. Hillary has her back to them, of course, just like in real life.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Only starstruck fangirls and fanboys, who swoon at the very mention of my name, drool with envy & gush over my latest prison orange pantsuit, support me for sainthood and lick the very ground I walk on are allowed to post in the Divernan Group!
Consider yourself warned! ! ! ! !
All minions shall kneel before the great and all powerful Divernan!
(sarcasm/LOL/more sarcasm)
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)You're "Move 'em out, RAWHIDE!" quip started me laughing. I could hear the bullwhip in the back of my head.
This thread has had some really funny moments. If you haven't seen it already, look downthread for Merrily's quip (#19).
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Last edited Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:08 AM - Edit history (1)
Frankie Laine is dead so he won't tell her to back off. And that "soon we'll be livin' high and wide!" ending is wicked appealing for the corporate welfare queens/one percent backers and hangers' on.
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=Rawhide+theme+song&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-002
Move 'em out, head 'em up,
Head 'em up, move 'em on.
Move 'em out, head 'em up:
Rawhide.
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in,
Ride 'em in, cut 'em out,
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in:
Rawhide!
Hah! Hah!
Movin', movin', movin',
Though they're disapprovin',
Keep them dogies movin', rawhide.
Don't try to understand 'em,
Just rope an' throw an' brand 'em.
Soon we'll be living high and wide.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)Hand picked selection.....
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)Thanks for the artwork!
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Incidentally, welcome to the club. I'm banned from the Hillary group also ("Proudly banned from the Hillary Group since June 2015" should be my signature line).
It is already in the Now Trending section. I suppose that will bring in the trolls.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)The bannings aren't dated, too bad, because I ought to change my sig line to something like that.
Perhaps more to the point, the Hillary group has banned 109 so far, the Bernie group only 103. The Hillary group bans anyone who doesn't just wave the pom-poms and jump up and down enthusiastically, and then complain bitterly about anything negative said about her elsewhere.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Then I started finding out that... well... practically everyone on here is banned from that group. And after reading some of the material over on HillaryClintonSupporters.com, I began to see the ban as something of a badge of honor.
All that said, I do have some sympathy for the Hillary supporters. They are outnumbered on DU by a wide margin, something like 8-to-1, and they have a lot of people intruding on their safe haven. It stands to reason that they'd have more bans from their group than the Bernie Sanders Group does. In fact, I'm surprised the difference in numbers isn't greater.
Lastly, by way of atonement, I'll even state that my post back in June in the Hillary Group was inappropriate and I regret it. So I'm sorry, you guys, if you are reading this. (In my defense, like so many others, I was responding to an item on the main page and wasn't aware I was in the Hillary Group. I was zapped without a warning. Had I been warned, I would've deleted the offending post.)
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)and sent a PM to the group moderator who banned me, but to no avail. I think the worst part about how quickly they ban anyone with the slightest of negative comments, is that they are more and more in an echo chamber, and are going to be genuinely shocked when she loses Iowa and New Hampshire.
My bigger concern is that they will make the PUMAs of 2008 look like moderates.
Oh, and I likewise move through the Main Page of DU, not group by group. It seems as though most people here only visit their favorite groups.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)That's a huge concern of mine. I get very uncomfortable when I feel I'm surrounded by a cult of personality. I see that fairly often with Hillary supporters. I see it to a lesser degree with Bernie supporters. In all fairness, perhaps I'm a bit blind to Bernie-worship since it's my own camp; I hope not.
One of the watershed moments for me on DU regarding Bernie Sanders occurred a few months back when I posted some concerns or reservations I had about the Sanders campaign here in the Bernie Group. There was a little resistance to discussing sore spots, but in swoops Sabrina, bless her, and she politely addressed all the topics I'd raised non-judgmentally.
One of the best things about the Bernie supporters I know is that they seem issue-focused and not personality-focused. It's a little thing, but I like it that Sabrina uses the figure skates as her avatar, as opposed to the more obvious choice of a Bernie logo. It suggests to me that she's aware of the dangers of over-identifying with a candidate and losing her objectivity.
I share your concern about how the party will heal its wounds once a Democratic candidate is selected. I'll vote for Hillary if she gets it; she has some strengths that I'll try to focus on to take the sting out of it. Naturally, I hope the Hillary fans will be able to do likewise, should Bernie prevail.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)tolerant. I frequently post that I think all guns should be confiscated, including in their groups, and while they push back very hard at me, I've never been banned, and a while back I posted a thread thanking them for putting up with me.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)And nice that you thanked them for their tolerance. Curious. I wonder what it is that makes some groups tolerant of disagreement and others intolerant?
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)For many of us, our political opinions are very closely connected to our identity.
For many gun owners, probably most of them, the guns are only one small part of who they are, and usually not at all the most important thing. So they have a perspective, even when dealing with someone who is an anti-gun nutcase, that many of us don't when it comes to our politics.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Although a lot of gun owners seem to regard gun ownership as an intrinsic part of their political views. Thinking about it now, though, those that feel that way are probably far-right conservatives and not hanging out on DU. So, for the gun owners on DU, I think your observation probably holds.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)That's 90 more people since you posted!
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Then again, the Hillary Group enforcers are quick on the draw. Maybe they have banned an addition 90 people this morning.
Thanks for posting the link to the original Old Crow! It was truly odd.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)Yes. Odd is the word. I think it seems odd because it's trying, rather desperately, to portray the large crowds that have attended Bernie's appearances as a bad thing. What's this? Large crowds attending your speeches is a bad thing? Why didn't I get the memo?!
And, yeah, I totally get the message of the pro-Hillary graphic: Hillary listens. Well, that's great. Maybe if she listens really hard, she'll figure out what the issues are that people care about so she can get large crowds to attend her events. Of course, then you've got the whole Weathervane Problem, with people wondering if she's saying things because she believes them or is saying them because she thinks it's what they want to hear.
The fact that Bernie has been spending less money but drawing much larger crowds tells me he's already in step with what people care about. In fact, you could make the case he's been there for 20 years and has just been waiting for the people to catch up.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)(and we know who I'm talking about).
The thing is even when she had her "kick-off event" the crowd wasn't at capacity. The overflow area was empty. I'd feel sorry for them, but frankly it's a waste of energy.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)I looked at the original. Are they fucking kidding? ARE THEY FUCKING SERIOUS?
I just posted there that it was "'pathetic" so I guess I'll be in trouble now. oooooh
P.S. Cha just responded to me that MY post was "pathetic." Sure it is Cha. Just keep telling yourself that.... yeah.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)and just as out of touch with Reality.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)that's amaz-za-zing...
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Cha did the honors within minutes. Oh and it's MY post that's pathetic, according to Cha. LULZ!!
I shouldn't laugh. The Hillarians are having a sad. He he.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Not so elite unfortunately, but we're all proud to be included excluded
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Maybe I/we could make tshirts - have the ban notice screen printed or something? It'd be exclusive and one-of-a-kind and all that -a real conversation starter. LULZ
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Cha that posted this?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5143928&mesg_id=5146209
There's an even better post of hers where she posted many nasty and negative toons about Hillary, one was really sexist and one called Hillary a "LIAR". Gotta find that one...
And btw... since Cha is a Clinton Caver I feel she is fair game. Oh who am I kidding, she was fair game before that for her attitude alone, and here we see the total and complete hypocrisy. Or is it evolution...
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Cha and this one are the same - very weird person.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)The super sexist one is though:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6017420&mesg_id=6018254
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merrily
(45,251 posts)heard that some DUers somehow did spend a lot of time doing that at some point.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)BANG! - ZOOM!
merrily
(45,251 posts)Old Crow
(2,212 posts)And I haven't even had a coffee yet. Zinger!
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)To embarrass Hillary in such a blatant way!
merrily
(45,251 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)Bring enough rope.
demwing
(16,916 posts)...is that they make the Bankers feel unloved"
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)If only we had the clarity of purpose of the Icelanders. I want a torch! And a pitchfork, too!
It's to dam early for me to be LMBArse off!!!
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)This has been a really interesting thread. Kudos to all the contributors. Some interesting revelations, some really funny quips, and a lot of great thoughts. Rock on, Bernistas!
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)funny
The more the merrier. GO BERNIE!
chervilant
(8,267 posts)As much for the comments as the OP.
GO, BERNIE!!!