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jwirr

(39,215 posts)
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:52 PM Oct 2015

I would like to share a concern here with the Bernie group.

Last edited Fri Oct 2, 2015, 07:25 PM - Edit history (2)

I am openly refusing to support the DNC and also the two congressional funding groups DSCC and DCCC. All of my donations so far have gone to Bernie.

I am doing this because all of these groups in the past have been supporting DLC Third Way candidates. That is something I do not want to do unless I have no other choice.

So can we work together here in this group to make a list of candidates in various races, including Governors and other important positions, that are truly progressives in the sense that Bernie is so that we can donate to them.

I will start by giving two names I already have on my own list:

Russ Feingold
Alan Grayson
Elizabeth Warren - is she running this year?

Okay, now please add your candidates.

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I would like to share a concern here with the Bernie group. (Original Post) jwirr Oct 2015 OP
I live in Florida and will be supporting Grayson. djean111 Oct 2015 #1
It is no mistake that these consevative "Democratic" Organizations sound like the Koch Brothers. bvar22 Oct 2015 #23
Donna Edwards stillwaiting Oct 2015 #2
Debbie DINO fought having a primary with Grayson and Murphy. She wanted Murphy to run for djean111 Oct 2015 #3
You're right dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #4
Definitely getting involved at the local level is important jwirr Oct 2015 #20
And that is exactly why I donate directly to the candidate. jwirr Oct 2015 #7
Great idea the libertarian fake Democratic are working hard to take over the Democratic party Todays_Illusion Oct 2015 #5
I give directly to Bernie, and Russ. Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2015 #6
Ditto stuffmatters Oct 2015 #8
I did the same. Scuba Oct 2015 #19
Bernie-Alan would be a powerhouse Presidential ticket. DrBulldog Oct 2015 #9
I would fully expect that the Bernie campaign would provide this NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #10
I am asking about those running in primaries. And I hope jwirr Oct 2015 #12
Sorry NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #13
No problem. jwirr Oct 2015 #15
Kamala Harris, running to replace Barbara Boxer, probably qualifies paulkienitz Oct 2015 #11
Donors smilingwen Oct 2015 #14
I've been donating directly to the candidate for over a decade now. eom Cleita Oct 2015 #16
I have been for a while. But what I am afraid of here is that jwirr Oct 2015 #17
Elizabeth Warren was elected in 2012. She's not up until 2018. Jim Lane Oct 2015 #18
That is true. And that just highlights the problem I am jwirr Oct 2015 #21
A good site on Senate races Jim Lane Oct 2015 #22
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
1. I live in Florida and will be supporting Grayson.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 05:03 PM
Oct 2015

My initial rule of thumb for determining DINOs is the membership of the New Democrat Coalition.

http://newdemocratcoalition-kind.house.gov/

Before the campaigns started, their "about us" stated that they don't care about ideology, they just want to work across the aisle. And that always means - do what the GOP wants. I can pretty much match up the Florida members of this with the emails I get telling me how Florida Congresspeople voted on any bill. There is a New Democrat Coalition that is strictly Senate, I am looking for that membership list. Bill Nelson (DINO-FL) is in that group, but not in the group I linked to. He used to be, but things got scrubbed up and changed around, I think.

http://blogs.rollcall.com/218/centrist-new-democrats-want-bigger-role-in-partys-message/

Members of the New Democrat Coalition have struggled for years to make their centrist message heard in the larger, and distinctly more left-leaning, House Democratic Caucus.

The 46 self-described “moderate” and “pro-growth” House members in the coalition say they agree with the rest of their caucus on “90 percent of the issues” — it’s the remaining 10 percent that’s harder to summarize.

Historically, New Democrats have tried to minimize tension between themselves and other factions in the House Democratic Caucus. On economic issues, they are more centrist, but in social matters their records are nearly identical.

Many moderates off Capitol Hill say the New Democrats should avoid presenting themselves as successors to the Blue Dogs, the fiscally and sometimes socially conservative Democrats from predominantly Southern states whose ranks were painfully diminished in the GOP wave of 2010.

The Blue Dogs also were frequent thorns in leadership’s side. The New Democrats say they don’t want to be that, either.

But many stakeholders say the coalition needs to be more aggressive when it comes to fighting against campaign tactics they say have cost Democrats their majorities in both chambers, and they hope the “American Prosperity Agenda” is a step in that direction.

“Look,” said Jim Kessler, a co-founder and vice president of policy for Third Way, an outside group that works closely with the New Democrat Coalition. “I think on the one hand, there’s never been more interest in what the New Dems and moderates are saying within the caucus and throughout Washington. At the same time, there’s never been more hostility.”

Kessler said that while the New Democrats want to “govern,” the progressives represent the “advocacy wing of the party that often times is happy having the fight rather than coming to some sort of conclusion.”


Blue Dogs, DINOs, Third Way. That website looked hilariously like the website for Americans For Prosperity (of the Koch brothers), the first time I saw it.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
23. It is no mistake that these consevative "Democratic" Organizations sound like the Koch Brothers.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 07:24 PM
Oct 2015

Koch Brothers Money helped found the DLC (Democratic Leadership Council) back in the early 90s, and they actually bought 2 "Executive Chairs" on the DLC Leadership Council, several others came straight from PNAC and are signatories of the letter urging Clinton to Go-to-War.

Once one realizes that Koch Brothers Money helped Bill Clinton get elected in '92,
many of his Executive Decisions become crystal Clear.


http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Democratic_Leadership_Council
Former Chairs

* Gov. Bill Clinton of Arkansas (1990 - 1991)
* Sen. John Breaux of Louisiana (1991 - 1993)
* Rep. Dave McCurdy of Oklahoma (1993 - 1995)
* Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut (1995 - 2001)
* Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana (2001 - 2005)
* Gov. Tom Vilsack of Iowa (2005 - 2007)
* Former Rep. Harold Ford of Tennessee (2007 - present)

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
2. Donna Edwards
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 05:07 PM
Oct 2015

She should be supported over Van Hollen in the primary.

She is much more progressive.

We HAVE to start fielding progressive candidates in the primaries so we can fight for them. Wall Street wins before the general election.

The Establishment locks it up by getting their candidates to be "inevitable", and we haven't been fighting back near enough.

Tammy Duckworth (and many others like her) should have strong progressive challengers. Things will not IMPROVE with Democratic Senators like Duckworth. The best we could hope is for things to get worse slower.

Getting Bernie elected would be a huge step forward in changing the direction of the Democratic Party. Having Bernie with some control over the DNC would be spectacular and could yield tremendous results for progressives. Anyone who says that Bernie couldn't get anything done is completely discounting this VERY important feature of having Bernie elected President. Debbie Wasserman Schultz would NOT be setting the rules for the Party with Bernie in the Executive.

I applaud your efforts here. I hope that we can build a long-lasting and nationwide movement that lasts YEARS to tackle the huge problem ahead of us. Nothing else will do much of anything except give us a few feel good moments every now and then, and that is the brutally honest truth. It's needed right now.


 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. Debbie DINO fought having a primary with Grayson and Murphy. She wanted Murphy to run for
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 05:10 PM
Oct 2015

Rubio's seat, with no primary. I read that the state progressive Caucus was threatened with decertification if they persisted in pushing for Grayson to run.

This is why that "if you want progressives/liberals in government, you have to start locally" is problematic - Debbie has the final say on who the DNC will help.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
4. You're right
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 07:06 PM
Oct 2015

At this point, we will have to learn to do it without the DNC's help, and worse than that, we have to learn to defeat DNC candidates in primaries.

If Bernie can win and become POTUS (still a huge long-shot but he has many of us working very hard for him so who knows what is possible) then the DNC can probably be changed and start to represent candidates closer to what people want as opposed to what corporations want.

Until then, we're on our own, though there are more of us than anyone yet realizes, and we are determined.

Some of us Bernie supporters out here are making plans to start participating in our local Democratic Party meetings, that might be a good place to put energy.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
20. Definitely getting involved at the local level is important
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:34 AM
Oct 2015

because it is at the local level that all other laws are implemented. If you have no voice locally then you can be sure that boards and commissions will be doing their best to keep the status quo.

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
5. Great idea the libertarian fake Democratic are working hard to take over the Democratic party
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 07:11 PM
Oct 2015

Just as the older libertarian group lead by the infamous billionaire brothers have gained control of the Republican party.

Ok, I have so far made note of already in office third way fake Democratic libertarians, oh not true during the 2014 midterms there were more than a dozen, mostly in red/reddish states and mostly they lost anyway.

But I will make a state by state look at Democratic candidates for the Senate and . . . the House, that is an enormous task, but certainly necessary.

I like that you are listing the liberal/liberalish not libertarian Democratic candidates.

 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
9. Bernie-Alan would be a powerhouse Presidential ticket.
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 07:30 PM
Oct 2015

Yes, I know. I'm just enjoying my new freedom here in Orygun to smoke pot.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
10. I would fully expect that the Bernie campaign would provide this
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 07:45 PM
Oct 2015

much needed information as a matter of course if he is the nominee. At least I hope so.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
13. Sorry
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 08:07 PM
Oct 2015

for the misunderstanding.


DAMN YOU EVELYN WOOD!!!!!!!

jk

Hopefully someone can answer you actual question because I have no idea...but it's a hellofa good question. I'll be checking back to see if it gets answered myself.

smilingwen

(52 posts)
14. Donors
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 08:11 PM
Oct 2015

If we look up each candidates largest donors, that will tell us much more than what they say. It's pretty easy to do a google search on each candidate.

After that we can see what they say are their positions and priorities.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
17. I have been for a while. But what I am afraid of here is that
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:54 PM
Oct 2015

if we do not know who needs help we cannot take back the Senate and other important positions. As I read DU and I see a name in an article I have been adding them to my tablet here at home.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
18. Elizabeth Warren was elected in 2012. She's not up until 2018.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 12:31 AM
Oct 2015

If you're focusing on primaries, you probably don't need to include her even then. A serious primary challenge to her is pretty much inconceivable.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
21. That is true. And that just highlights the problem I am
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 10:40 AM
Oct 2015

talking about. We need to be very well informed about who needs our help the most and who is truly on our side in this revolution.

I would donate to keep her in the Senate gladly but I agree I doubt she needs my help.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
22. A good site on Senate races
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 06:16 PM
Oct 2015

For an overview, I look at this page. The map at the top shows you which party won the 2010 Senate election (states in gray have no election this cycle). Then there's a paragraph about each state.

Of course, this far in advance, there's a lot that's unknown. One state that I notice is California. The fight is between two Democrats. Loretta Sanchez is described as a Blue Dog. I don't know that much about her opponent, Kamala Harris, but I have the vague impression that she's on our side, or at least more progressive than Sanchez.

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