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merrily

(45,251 posts)
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 07:07 AM Oct 2015

Grijalva's endorsement--before the rally.

As we all know, Grijalva is one of two co-chairs of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, which Bernie founded practically the day he first arrived in the House and chaired for its first eight years, while it became the largest caucus in Congress, aside, of course, from the Republican Caucus and the Democratic Caucus. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778196

(Just imagine what Bernie might have accomplished if only he knew how to work and play well with others to get things done. )

Spoiler alert: Cuomo keeps trying to get Grijalva to diss Hillary, but Grijalva says he will not do that; he will stick only to issues.

Bernie has been consistent. Bernie did not put on these shoes yesterday morning.* Bernie has been consistent. No, no, no, I'm not saying anything at all about Hillary. Did I mention Bernie has been consistent?

I so wish Bernie would allow Grijalva to help Bernie prep for the debates.




Please see also: http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-10072015-htmlstory.html?update=84630991 and

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/07/bernie-sanders-gets-first-congressional-endorsement-from-ral-grijalva/?_r=0


*I am SO stealing this expression.
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Grijalva's endorsement--before the rally. (Original Post) merrily Oct 2015 OP
I am perplexed that other Congresscritters haven't flocked to the cause Demeter Oct 2015 #1
Someone who endorsed Bernie said there is a lot of arm-twisting and pressure to support djean111 Oct 2015 #2
NH state rep, Tim Smith, who is also either the chair or a chair of Bernie's NH campaign. merrily Oct 2015 #9
Thank you! n/t djean111 Oct 2015 #11
You're welcome! Direct quote is in my Reply 4 on this thread. merrily Oct 2015 #12
Their fear kathysart_decoration Oct 2015 #3
I think their fear is of the Clintons and the DNC. Please see Replies 4 and 5. merrily Oct 2015 #10
Let's see: merrily Oct 2015 #4
None of that is a good reason to elect Hillary, you know Demeter Oct 2015 #6
Your issue, though, was why more have not flocked to Bernie yet. merrily Oct 2015 #8
Short term gains for long-term universal losses Demeter Oct 2015 #13
Sadly, for these peeps, the desires/greed of the few outweigh the needs of the many. merrily Oct 2015 #14
It's really amazing to see the transformation of the Clinton's dae Oct 2015 #24
Can you elaborate some on that statement? That is not how I read his life story. merrily Oct 2015 #25
Very few will endorse Bernie because their Donors would not want that and the politicians Dustlawyer Oct 2015 #5
You may have a big point there. Demeter Oct 2015 #7
BOOM merrily Oct 2015 #17
Exactly! Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #15
When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Oct 2015 #16
+1 merrily Oct 2015 #22
The Cuomo brothers must be a terrible embarrassment to their father. pangaia Oct 2015 #18
Most of us love our kids, no matter what, but I imagine Andrew's merrily Oct 2015 #19
I am a New Yorker, and was when Mario Cuomo was Governor. pangaia Oct 2015 #20
Glad to hear that. merrily Oct 2015 #21
It was a sad day when he died. pangaia Oct 2015 #23
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
1. I am perplexed that other Congresscritters haven't flocked to the cause
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 07:11 AM
Oct 2015

Perhaps after the first debate?

He who hesitates is going to lose...big time!

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
2. Someone who endorsed Bernie said there is a lot of arm-twisting and pressure to support
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 07:44 AM
Oct 2015

Hillary. I think a lot of endorsements were locked in really really early. As little as possible was left to chance, after the 2008 loss.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
12. You're welcome! Direct quote is in my Reply 4 on this thread.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 08:50 AM
Oct 2015

We all knew it, didn't we? But confirmation is good.

 
3. Their fear
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 07:48 AM
Oct 2015

I firmly believe that they are afraid of the word "socialist." That is why they haven't come out in support of Bernie Sanders. Just as they ran away from Obamacare in the last congressional election - and lost - they are running away from a socialist now and will possibly come out losing again. This could change.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
10. I think their fear is of the Clintons and the DNC. Please see Replies 4 and 5.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 08:46 AM
Oct 2015

They could spin "socialist" in Bernie's favor as easily as they spin everything else. However, they have chosen instead to spin it against him.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
4. Let's see:
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 08:11 AM
Oct 2015

1. Tim Smith, a NH state rep who is either the chair or a chair of Bernie's NH campaign said, in response to questions from facebook posters, pressure to endorse "another candidate" has been enormous.

Yes, there has been enormous pressure to endorse a different candidate, but arm-twisting hasn't worked on me since middle school and did not influence my decision. Hopefully other legislators will see the enormous level of solidarity you have all given and be convinced that it's “safe” to do what's right instead of what's easy.

https://www.facebook.com/Rep-Timothy-Smith-235121411547/timeline/

2. The Clintons have been in politics for decades. During that time, he has been President and she has been a US Senator and Secretary of State. A lot of favors have been done, a lot of campaigning has been done, a lot of fundraising has been done. That = many chits that can be called in. Politicians in general certainly operate that way, and we know the Clintons in particular certainly operate that way.

3. The Clintons are power brokers within the Democratic Party and beyond. Anyone who plans to run for office in the future, esp. an office in which he or she is not currently an incumbent, would want their help. As an example, I give you Rep. Gutierrez, who supposedly wants to be Mayor of Chicago, who made scurrilous comments about Bernie early on (though he has since walked them back some).

4. She has had her eye on being the first woman President, IMO, since at least 1992 and certainly since 2006. I believe she and her supporters have been preparing specifically for this run since June 2008, getting loyalty oaths and commitments from politicians and potential voters alike. Take, for example, that letter from all the female members of Congress "urging" to run (snort),

5. Since at least the summer of 2012, every Democratic pundit and strategist and, then, every member of the msm, was saying that the nomination is hers, if she wants it, and no one will even bother to challenge her. After challengers appeared anyway, the universal meme became that she will surely defeat this sure-to-lose Nowhere Man who bizarrely decided to challenge his superior.

6. Each of Hillary, Bubba, the Clinton Presidential Library and the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton campaign employ many people, such as Barney Frank's sister, and have the millions and the fundraising ability to employ many more. They can also direct a lot of business someone's way.

7. If you don't need money, maybe you crave recognition from an organization like the Clinton Foundation or some other entity the Clintons can influence.

8. All else failing, how about a well-place phone call for whatever else you might want or need?
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
6. None of that is a good reason to elect Hillary, you know
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 08:34 AM
Oct 2015

Nor is it a good reason to support her candidacy.

After she fails (at either getting the nomination, or losing the Presidency to a GOP) she will be nothing, and she and Bill will be twice nothing.

And we will be relieved of a burden that we did not want in the first place.

Power to be a thug is not power. Power to change people's lives for the better....that's what we like!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
8. Your issue, though, was why more have not flocked to Bernie yet.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 08:43 AM
Oct 2015


If I thought those were good reasons to support Hillary, I'd be posting in the Hillary Clinton Group.
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
13. Short term gains for long-term universal losses
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 08:57 AM
Oct 2015

A sign that Capitalism has completed a hostile takeover of politics.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
14. Sadly, for these peeps, the desires/greed of the few outweigh the needs of the many.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 09:05 AM
Oct 2015

Last edited Sat Oct 10, 2015, 10:00 AM - Edit history (1)

dae

(3,396 posts)
24. It's really amazing to see the transformation of the Clinton's
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 11:16 AM
Oct 2015

Considering Bill was the consummate outsider when he started his run for the 1992 election.

Dustlawyer

(10,493 posts)
5. Very few will endorse Bernie because their Donors would not want that and the politicians
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 08:22 AM
Oct 2015

themselves don't want to see an end to the campaign money train! Bernie has said that Publicly Funded Elections are his number one issue! It my opinion it is the Root Cause to most of our problems. Politicians representing Donors do not represent the People! Issues we care about get decided against us because they are paid to vote that way.

By the time Bernie proves that we will support a candidate who will represent us, most will have endorsed the Clinton money machine!

We need to start recruiting candidates who will follow in Bernie's footsteps and not accept corporate money. We need to stock the shelves with candidates who have OUR INTERESTS at heart.!

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
7. You may have a big point there.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 08:36 AM
Oct 2015

While I can see no reason on earth to shore up the current political machinery, someone whose life and income depends upon it might feel otherwise, especially if they had the morals of a parasite.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
16. When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 09:55 AM
Oct 2015

eom

merrily

(45,251 posts)
19. Most of us love our kids, no matter what, but I imagine Andrew's
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 10:30 AM
Oct 2015

"shuckin' and jivin'" dog whistle on behalf of Hillary during the 2008 primary had to have been sad for Mario. I hope he was probably better than that.

In any event, Mario passed on New Year's Day of this year.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
20. I am a New Yorker, and was when Mario Cuomo was Governor.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 10:44 AM
Oct 2015

As much as a politician can be one, I've always thought of Mario Cuomo as one of the good guys.

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