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Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:55 AM Oct 2015

Hillary will destroy the GOP?

I read a comment over at Daily Kos where a Hillary supporter maintains that Hillary can and will destroy the Republican Party, that she's the best person to drive them out of Washington.

I emphatically disagree, I see that she unites the Republican Party. They thrive on hate and nobody hates her more than they do. She's also closer to them ideologically speaking (Neoliberal, Third Way, Corp/Wall St. friendly) than anyone else running.

I'm not anti-Hillary - she's good on a lot of things and depending on what your priorities are, she's not the worst we can do. But, come on, Bernie's where it's at. Clearly.

It worries me though, that Hillary is framed as the answer to the problem of the GOP. We should be countering their sick ideology instead of fighting people. Besides, they are destroying themselves.

Thoughts?

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artislife

(9,497 posts)
1. I think she is melding into it
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:57 AM
Oct 2015

She is going to replace the republican party. She is the republican party of the 60s.

Ha! She may finally get Goldwater into office.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
2. I see both parties as being so splintered that I don't even want to hazard a guess as to what
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:58 AM
Oct 2015

will happen.

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
4. Agreed, though
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 11:03 AM
Oct 2015

I'm not too concerned. They can both go, we can rebuild with whatever's left. The two share a toxic, codependent, symbiotic relationship and, ironically, need each other in order to survive.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
3. Of course not. They need each other.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 11:01 AM
Oct 2015

As you mention, Clinton helps unify the GOP and provides something for the teabaggers to rage about while the rest of the party screws them over on behalf of the wealthy.

On the flip side, GOP rage is a boost for Clinton. Democrats feel compelled to defend her from GOP insanity, leaving space for her to also work on behalf of the wealthy. As an example, how many times have we seen "She's a fighter!!" as a pro-Clinton argument, as if curling up in a ball and crying in the face of GOP attacks was a possibility. Yet she was notably absent when it was time for such a "fighter" to work for us.

Then the media gets to have all sorts of breathless coverage over these battles instead of actually talking about what is getting passed and what it will actually do to the country. The latter takes work, the former only requires regurgitating press releases from the combatants.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
6. Be careful for what you wish for. Neither party should want to destroy the other one.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 11:35 AM
Oct 2015

A Republican once said to me at a dinner party that there should only be one party...his. Ann Coulter said the same thing. I pointed out all the totalitarian dictatorships past and present have only one party rule. We should never want that. What we do want is an opposition party that still is American. This Republican Tea Party that we have today is anti-American. They have no use for our Constitution or those institutions that make us American. They are self-destructing. This is why Donald Trump is so popular with them. They see him as a savior because deep down in their gut they are realizing just how they have been used by the corrupt political process that is the soul of the Republican Party today.

I would want the party with the interests of the people as their priority to be in power, in this case the Democrats. However, even the interests of the 1% need to be represented in government so we need an opposition party to keep us honest. We had such a system after FDR put in the New Deal up until Nixon, followed by Reagan corrupted it with their anti-American corporate policies. We should never want one party rule and the Hillary supporters who wish for it are as anti-American as the Republicans.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
7. And wasn't it Turd Blossom Rove, that talked of a permanent Puke Party
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 11:49 AM
Oct 2015

in the White House and Congress?

I do absolutely agree, that they HATE her!

Could it be that the lame media is push for the Trump / Clinton fight, thinking she will lose in the general? I do think she will lose.

And for those that don't think that a Trump could be elected...

We in California ended up with Schwarzenegger as the worst Govenor ever.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
14. Schwarzenegger was bad,
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:38 PM
Oct 2015

but California has had plenty of bad Republican governors in the recent past who could give him lots of competition, including Pete Wilson, George Deukmejian, and of course, the man who sicced the National Guard against protestors in Berkeley and kicked mentally ill patients out of treatment centers, Ronald Reagan.

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
8. At this time, yes, we need counteracting
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 12:44 PM
Oct 2015

forces but we can and should evolve past a binary. Central power is only an issue when dysfunction rules the roost. The problem isn't authoritarianism in itself, it's who said authority happens to be. But that's getting beyond the here and now.

If, or I should say when, the current GOP starts falling apart, I will not attempt to save them like some democrats will. There will be no co-dependency from me. In the meantime, I prefer to focus on creating a replacement. It's not that I want the GOP destroyed, it's that I see they inevitably will destroy themselves anyway - and I'm just fine with that.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
10. History has shown that kind of evolution not to be true since the days of the Roman Republic.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 01:29 PM
Oct 2015

They eventually got an Emperor with absolute powers that was worshipped as a god, much like what is going on in N. Korea today. I wouldn't put that kind of outcome impossible here if the authoritarian, classist types in either party prevail. All the people of a nation need representation, even the 1%ers which is why a parliamentary system such as is used in most of Europe seems to have worked best in the long run even though there are peaks and valleys in authority. Our Canadian neighbors to the north have shown us how that works. Other than that, they might have had Harper or one of his minions in power forever.

As for the GOP replacement, it seems to be happening before our eyes. It will be interesting to see what replaces them.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
9. If HRC wins the primary
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 12:50 PM
Oct 2015

we hand the GE to the GOP.

HRC is spectacularly good at uniting people, especially against herself.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
11. +1
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 01:31 PM
Oct 2015

Also, I'm not liking her supporters more and more. I thought the nastiness against the Bernie supporters was unique to DU, but since I volunteered and Democratic headquarters here, I'm coming face to face with it in real life too.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
15. I think a lot of Hillary supporters are "go with the perceived winner" types
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:42 PM
Oct 2015

That could explain why so many of them were quick to bash, slash and trash Hillary in the 2008 primaries (because they thought Obama had the better chance) but are now acting like they always loved Hillary and you better not say anything bad about her, you hater, you.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
12. She will NOT destroy the GOP. She will prop them up like all "good" neo-liberals do.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 01:38 PM
Oct 2015

Even when the GOP attacks them relentlessly.

Hillary will talk about bipartisanship and the color purple. Her purple will have stronger shades of red in it in what gets done, who benefits, and who makes sacrifices (the middle class).

n8dogg83

(248 posts)
13. First of all, i dont think Hillary will destroy the GOP. Secondly, i dont think we should destroy...
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 01:51 PM
Oct 2015

them, but rather force them kicking and screaming to the left. Bernie is the best person to do that, imo. As president, there is no doubt in my mind that he will relentlessly advocate for progressive policies and call out congressional republicans who vote for their wealthy donors instead of their constituents. That will keep republicans on the defensive and wake up enough republican voters who consistently vote against their own best interest. The congressional republicans, after a couple of election cycles, will start feeling the pressure (the Bern?) and, for their own political survival, will shed away their hate-filled fringe elements and start moving towards a more center-right politics. Hillary, while being a decent president I think, would most likely do what Obama did early on, which was to start his negotiations with an already compromised position (see Obamacare). That will embolden republicans who will continue to obstruct until the midterms, when people who turn out to vote see no real difference between the democrats that act like republicans and the real republicans and will vote them back into power.

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