Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumi am going to rant here
I feel the last week has been terrable for us
the polls coming out of debate no matter how accurate they are of her winning debate,gaining ground,and bernie losing ground
is bad news.
Biden not running will allow the MSM to say there is no race on democratic side.
The clinton show today is all over twitter and that's all anyone is talking about.she might even get a bumb for it destroying
months of hard work.
There is chance now the establishment,MSM,and republicans will get what they want.Clinton as nominee.although she may have to face trump and not Bush like MSM wanted.
The first polling after Biden's annoucement and all the fawning over Clinton testimony will help detmine the answer but I don't
expect good news.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)emulatorloo
(43,982 posts)And that will be huge! This is a marathon, not a sprint.
Response to Robbins (Original post)
jfern This message was self-deleted by its author.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)....changing.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Review if you really support Bernie's message or were you just a wave-rider.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Hillary has won big points by defending herself against idiot Republicans. Fine. She's a lawyer and she kicked their collective ass. But she was defending herself, not standing against TPP, or Wall Street deregulation, or Citizens United, or fracking, or more wars. So if she rides the wave of this performance to the nomination, will it carry over to the general election? My gut says no (although it's been wrong before). And if she actually does win the general election, will she show this same kind of grit and determination to defend and push for issues that are near and dear to the hearts of us Bernie supporters? Once again, my gut says no. And I gather from the OP that the writer also feels that way.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)The M$M will not be able to ignore Bernie and only talk about Clinton & Biden running.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)they can act like there is no democratic race and clinton has no "Credable" challenger In primarys.
the fawning over clinton on twitter has been terrable today.comments like GOP assured the activists of democratic party like her
now.
I feel like the MSM ignoring of bernie will only get worse now.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)If you're ready to give up then do it, but please keep this all hope is lost nonsense out of the group.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Thank you for saying it!
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Last edited Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:11 AM - Edit history (1)
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Lots of people who were impressed by her performance last night are not going to suddenly vote for her in the primary. A lot of people I know who respect her and would vote for her otherwise are just not prepared to go through 4 more years of made up scandal after made up scandal. We know theyre made up but the Republicans are willing to waste TREMENDOUS amounts of time and money on committees to look into her every misstep.
Seriously you think they were gunning for Obama? Theyve had 20 years to build up hatred for anything associated with the name Clinton. She can take the heat certainly but weve got a country to run.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)Speaking as a host we don't want or need the handwringing. So please knock it off.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)Hillary did well today and we should give her that; but real issues and concerns still exist with regard to her being the best Democratic candidate to represent us in the general election. She has a history of questionable and ill advised positions and votes, there are problems of honesty, trustworthiness, and her ties to Wall Street, not to mention her reputation as a war hawk.
Hillary will likely get a bump from the hearing, but there are still months left before the primaries. Bernie needs to just stay the course, get his message out, and he'll be fine, and so will we.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Yeah, she's getting a shit-ton of good press now, but that could turn on a dime. Today's hearing was a double-edged sword. Hillary kept her composure and the GOP looked like idiots, but it's a reminder that the GOP nurtures a special hatred for the Clintons, exposing the "Hillary will get more done than any other Dem nominee" for the fantasy it is.
No matter what kind of week Hillary's having, no matter what kind of week Bernie's having, I know who'll do a better job of representing all of us. One day at a time. One voter at a time. We can get there.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)Keep working, keep getting the message out, keep optimistic.
It's a marathon, not a sprint.
Response to Robbins (Original post)
1000words This message was self-deleted by its author.
Autumn
(44,762 posts)she says something off the cuff that they can chew on. No big deal.
artislife
(9,497 posts)won't get you veteran's benefits.
We win on issues.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Even a few Democrats were disgusted with her because of the private server thing, so it seems to me, she's NOT going to win the GE. There's plenty of Clinton fatigue out there.
We all know Bernie won the debate. What CNN did only highlighted how correct Bernie is about the Oligarchy. We must stop it. The entire country wants the billionaires to stop buying our elections. Hillary JOINED IN and embraced Citizens United! She's part if the problem, not the solution.
Millennials support Bernie, not Hillary. Millennials also know how to use social media. The Corporate Owned MSM has underestimated them. We have Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Spotify, DU, etc... which is a much, much better medium than TeeVee. Most people get their news and information from the Internet now, NOT TeeVee!
Chin up! Bernie is going to win! Have you seen the crowds at his rallies? He's going to win.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
Demeter
(85,373 posts)She's living a lie, and people will notice.
The MSM only ever talked about Hillary, before...and yet Bernie steadily rose in the public's esteem. He's not going to disappear, nor are we. And we aren't going to come begging for attention from DWS and Hillary or even Bill. Bernie will demand attention, as primary after primary falls to him.
Bernie's in it for the long haul....and he's doing it right. Have a little faith.
840high
(17,196 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)He's an intelligent man, has been in politics/government for decades, undoubtedly has advisers who believe in him and millions of supporters who are happy to spread the word, and he has a nice pot of money from people like us.
Plus, he is a good person who is in this race for the best reason of all: he cares about the American people.
Hillary, not so much. I know good guys don't always win, but ... truth has a way of coming out and shining. Hillary's having her moment, but many Americans know about her, and what they know is not so good.
Plus, I find it hard to believe that there isn't some person or group, with means or exceptional influence, watching all this and feeling their conscience stirring within them. For those who truly love this country, Bernie is the best chance to come along in decades.
We don't know what's going to happen. Let's stay positive. And keep spreading the word about Bernie.
olddots
(10,237 posts)and participatory government , they sell their shit no matter what happens so don't give up .
Bernie is a once in a life time candidate for us don't give up hope .
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)There is nothing constructive about obsessing.
merrily
(45,251 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)none of us wants to give up since the primary is only beginning. but the op is not the only one having concerns about the oligarchy trying to feed us the "hillary is the nom" tripe. it is obvious they have their minds made up.
lets all try to keep being encouraging to each other...no doubt many of us will have concerns as this goes on, and if we can bring them here, our fellow berners can remind us that the fight is not only not over, its just beginning.
i am glad he/she posted this. better to exorcise this demon here than to let it fester and discourage efforts to share bernies message.
lets all stay strong and help each other!
n8dogg83
(248 posts)Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)She had some luck (Biden, Benghazi), but she also spent $7M on TV ads in IA and NH to stop the bleeding.
The point is she had to spend that money on TV and Bernie didn't. Tad Devine said they are saving it for when it matters more.
Bernie has also had an excellent two weeks. His favorables skyrocketed after the first debate. His negatives dropped and his name recognition rose above 90% in one poll for the first time. He beats Trump better than HRC.
Together, we will keep adding Bernie supporters one at a time.
TBF
(31,922 posts)If so I've missed it.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)everywhere you turn, especially on mainstream media, it's pretty much a done deal that Hillary is the nominee, and for some the next president. I tend to stay away from mainstream media for that reason as well as others. But it's easy to get discouraged when we know that the oligarchy is trying to force feed us either Hillary or Bush, and the media which is corporate owned is delivering the message just the way the establishment wants it. Bernie does have an uphill battle, and uphill battles always come with some setbacks and some dark times. Best to just put those behind us, but I think it's good that we acknowledge the difficulties ahead. no way the oligarchy is just going to hand over the keys to the country.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)If I might repost what I said elsewhere, as I doubt I can push a fresh spin on it.
This is the Clinton rebound (and it was earned)
But it is a rebound from a campaign with lots of flaws, and which still exist. The Republicans were given a gift in that Secretary Clinton was making unforced errors followed by tone deaf comments. This hurt her campaign.
The Republicans looked like fools as they overplayed their hand, and Clinton adeptly used that against them. She now enjoys a rebound from that.
But the flaws of her campaign, as I see them, (waffling on the TPP, looking weaker than Warren and Sanders on banking and Wall street regulation, progressive taxation, Social Security, and just all things in general her "moderate" positions put her in) will have a negative impact among some Democrats voting in the primaries. And this is in addition to her unforced errors like laughing about being investigated by the FBI. In retrospect it might indeed all turn out to be little more than a joke, but now's not the time to look like the issue is beneath you.
But at the moment Clinton is rightfully basking in the affection of her supporters who've been reassured by her debate performance, while they're all laughing at the discomfiture of Republicans who are being being widely derided in the press.
And yet, the issues of this campaign aren't ever going away; brought to such major prominence by Senator Sanders, they remain to be fought over, and loom with great imminence. No bounce for Secretary Clinton will blind people to how the debates over these issues unfold.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)The polling on Biden was a set-up so that it would look like Bernie's numbers compared to Hillary's are declining.
They aren't. Not by enough to make a real difference in the end.
This appearance that Bernie's poll numbers are falling following Biden's announcement was so predictable that I warned everyone on the Bernie Sanders group about it when the polls including Biden first came out.
Don't worry.
Hillary's day of testimony will soon be old news.
Hillary has borrowed from Bernie in her statement of issues. She is focusing on the income disparity issue but she does not understand what she is talking about.
She said to the New School of Social Research that more growth is the answer. Of course, growth is part of the answer. But our essential problem is that for many, may years now, most of the growth in income we get in the US goes to the very wealthiest in our country and, to the very wealthiest areas of our country.
In New York, Silicon Valley, San Francisco, Los Angeles, to some extent San Diego, Miami and other large cities, wages are higher than elsewhere but housing costs and other costs are extremely high in proportion to wages.
Meanwhile in the South and Midwest and other areas less involved in international trade, wages are stagnant if not declining and living standards and property values have declined.
Hillary sees growth as the answer. She is wrong.
Growth will not solve the fundamental problem which is, as Bernie points out, the massive transfer of wealth from the vast majority of the people to a small number of people in the top 1% of our society.
We can only change this trend that is so destructive to our society and that prevents growth if we have government intervention to transfer some of the wealth at the top back to the rest of America. There are many ways to do that. A broad and encompassing social net is probably the easiest to implement. A higher minimum wage will help, but we will still have too few jobs -- good jobs -- if we continue to import manufactured goods from other countries to the extent that we dol
Our trade deficit is another problem that Hillary, with her emphasis on trade and foreign policy, that is giving away American assets to foreign interests which is what the trade is really about and using our military to rescue our "friends" around the world, cannot deal with.
Hillary's ideas are weak.
She wants a thousand points of life to rescue our country. That is not going to happen. That was George H.W. Bush's view, and we know how it worked out for him. Canned after his first term.
Here is Hillary's speech on the economy. She states the problem well. From there on it is downhill for her. Bernie's statement of the problems is only slightly different (not surprising since Hillary copied Bernie's statement). But Bernie offers solutions and explains where he will get the funding for his proposals.
Bernie will win. Keep the faith. It's up to us. I will wait until the Benghazi hearing frenzy is over and then be back out campaigning for Bernie.
Did anyone listen to the Benghazi hearings? Did anyone ever explain why the ambassadors were meeting in Benghazi rather than Tripoli. Benghazi was just a little consulate -- an outpost. Of course the security was not that great there. I'm wondering (and I don't know; I'm just asking) whether there was some problem about the CIA post that was in Benghazi and that is why the two ambassadors met in Benghazi. I'd sure like to know. Benghazi was a not a vacation spot at the time. There were a lot of problems there.
To what extent does Turkey secretly support ISIS? Was that what the ambassadors were talking about? Did our CIA support ISIS? Were we transferring weapons from Benghazi to the rebels in Syria with maybe the help of the Turkish government?
I have no idea. I'm just wondering. Does anyone know anything about why they were in Benghazi? They sure weren't attending an opera or some social function. What was going on?
Robbins
(5,066 posts)everything is going to be clinton rises while bernie declines.
according to Q she now has a 11 point lead In Iowa after being deadlocked in September.a double diget lead In Iowa for her at this
time.she got major union endorsement.I suspect it won't be last.it doesn't matter if majority of membership supports bernie.
all the fawning over Clinton is taking eyes off the prize.Clinton VS Republicans is all theater for the bases of democratic and Republican partys.
I won't be surprised if people In MSM says Bernie is ilrelvent or he should just get out of way so she can get started running against
Republicans.
at this point i worry anymore debates will actully help her.Right or wrong the MSM has been able to spin first one total disaster
for bernie.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)What did you expect?
We can win this campaign only with with superior grassroots people power hellbent on actively highlighting Sanders' superior policy stances and lifelong trustworthiness on the issues that actually matter.
smilingwen
(52 posts)On Stephen Colbert re-run right now. I am not worried about all the attention Hillary is getting right now. I was not too happy with Hillary deciding to do an interview with Rachel tonight.Gee I wonder if it has anything to do with Rachel moderating a forum in a few weeks.
Still not worried though. I believe Bernie's numbers are much better than the polls suggest. They poll people who have voted before, Bernie has the support of many who don't usually vote. They poll mostly using land lines, young Bernie supporters don't have land lines...plus I wouldn't put it past them to weight the polls to her favor. Not an accusation, just stating what is possible.
Was on an organizing call with the Bernie tonight. We're just getting started! She might a well enjoy her day in the sun. I believe she will be shocked when Bernie soars ahead of her.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)tells me they don't think prirmary battle is over despite what polls say.
We have to pray the remaining 3 deabtes don't go over like first one did.
Any chance before iowa and NH of Bernie taking national lead are over.
winning Iowa and NH has to be the goal.Polls there are not nationally are what to pay attention to.