He once said he wouldn’t mind paying higher taxes if he got something for it.

After I got done with the urge to strangle him, I said PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE WHY WE CANT HAVE NICE THINGS!

His wife is from Germany and he used to brag about the child care and nice public transportation there.

They moved back to Germany to raise their three kids. He brags about the huge child care credits they now get.

The only way to fund his programs is by raising taxes significantly, including, more than likely, on the middle class. He has to somehow convince them that it would be worth the effort.

It's possible that it would be in the long run, but it's a pretty tough sell in the short term. I think he's more optimistic about the willingness of people to accept revolutionary change from their own personal financial perspectives than is warranted.

That doesn't include everything else he's proposing.

Americans don’t do nuance.

You can't make this stuff up😂

The mind boggles.

The assertion regarding how delighted taxpayers will be is probably a bit misguided.

You know, the part that says if they had comprehensive health care as a human right?



Cause I don't want to do that. So sorry.

Sanders, however, is ignoring how difficult it will be to sell people on the idea.

Again, the ideas aren't the problem. Selling people on them and convincing them that the sacrifice is worth the effort is where the difficulty lies. Many people do not want to pay more in taxes regardless of the perceived or actual benefits. We can't even get people to adequately fund schools and infrastructure.

Saying everyone will just be thrilled about it is misunderstanding human nature at its most basic and Americans, in particular.

That’s the rub. I wish you all luck with that if he is the nominee. It will be needed.

You all? What are you going to do if he's the nominee? Interesting that you'd leave yourself out of that.

has always been 'fascism' for the ruling class.

I didn’t get that memo. Jet me to Davos!1!1

But would you choose Trump over Sanders?
If not, why would you think my post applied to you?

And then I’m going to watch. That will be the extent of it.

present Americans with "the bill" they'd have to pay were his plans ever implemented.

Makes one wonder.

If Medicare For All is established, most people will end up paying more in taxes, but they will have a net savings because M4A will replace expensive private health care and eliminate the costs of those private plans.

Also, people will get more benefits for less cost. No premiums, no deductibles, no co-pays, cheaper medicines/drugs.

So it is a canard that Bernie will cost us more. Taxes go up, but they replace private health insurance costs, and end up with a greater net savings. So, people will be paying less and getting more benefits.

....what we're paying now and what we'll be paying under his plan. So how do we know we'll get more cost for less cost? Because he said so?

And senate how that is ever going to become law?

Middle class Americans love tax increases and Americans as a whole love nuanced concepts.

And that's still a plurality. They'll get a payroll tax but won't see any savings since they aren't paying premiums, or only paying minimal premiums.

And they'll lose their exclusive access to "good" doctors. And they will go apeshit.

Good work, indeed.

if we actually got something for our huge tax bills other than bombs and bloated billionaires we would all be delighted.

....that our taxes will go up less than we're currently paying, that's fine. When will we be told?

You would be opposed to your taxes going up if the increase exceeded what you are currently paying for healthcare? Even if people less well off than you would see their total healthcare costs go down dramatically?

...we should not be talking in hypotheticals.

I agree if/when we get to single payer and free college and basic security people will be happier.

But doing it in one step means people see the bill first and only a promise of “don’t worry we got this”. I think too many will reject that this year. If we still win I don’t see how we would keep the house and senate (if we win the senate)

Push for details and get accused of being a corporate stooge.

Reading the responses I don’t see any suggestions of how to win arguments on how to sell this. Just more “you’ll come out ahead in the end”.

If bernie is the nominee I’ll fight like hell for him, but I don’t know how to argue this effectively and so far I haven’t heard anything convincing from anyone else.

I have no idea what wouldstop him from paying more taxes, and putting his words into practice.