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nolabear

(41,959 posts)
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 05:58 PM Jan 2020

Article in which Sanders defends George Wallace.

I’ve got complicated thoughts about this, but I have to say it was a foolish, foolish thing to do. Wallace was about racism. He used the Alabama populace’s fear of and rage at black citizens to get elected. He was “sensitive” in that, like 45, he could work a crowd’s fear and cared not at all who got hurt. Sanders was not stupid.


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Article in which Sanders defends George Wallace. (Original Post) nolabear Jan 2020 OP
Boy oh boy... cwhile847 Jan 2020 #1
Wait...what? Resorting to statements candidates made on the record to journalists? lapucelle Jan 2020 #4
Oh no! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #9
And not misquote? Can't have that! Scurrilous Jan 2020 #22
I'm not worried. And my thoughts are complex. nolabear Jan 2020 #5
Did you say the BS campaign was "desperate" when this Cha Jan 2020 #21
I totally agree with you... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #25
I thought this looked familiar: George II Jan 2020 #26
smh Cha Jan 2020 #36
JPR is a literal graveyard so they are coming back here. UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #38
Echo. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #54
There are African Americans in the working class too-- dawg day Jan 2020 #27
Yes, it does seem like Biden is in a glass house as far as his race record goes. Aaron Pereira Jan 2020 #61
Are you serious? dware Jan 2020 #67
Welcome....... dware Jan 2020 #68
myohmy George II Jan 2020 #2
HahAhaHaaH! LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #10
I'm a strong opponent of Sanders, but this is 58 years old and out of context. Beakybird Jan 2020 #3
I believe the idea of the OP is to point out first what the gop will drag up Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #6
um uh, the gop ain't dragging that up, they love racist white men. Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #11
Yeah, but they are major hypocrites PatSeg Jan 2020 #16
How is it out of context? It's the actual article. nolabear Jan 2020 #7
Actual article? Mike__M Jan 2020 #72
BS was a candidate for governor of Vermont at the time. It's called vetting. N/T lapucelle Jan 2020 #8
I'm quite sure that you're correct in assuming Sanders' is praising Wallace's OneMoreCupOfCoffee Jan 2020 #31
If you read the article, Sanders comments about Wallace were ... left-of-center2012 Jan 2020 #12
Don't mean to imply it does. But at that time, and I lived it, nolabear Jan 2020 #15
"Wallace is sensitive to what people feel they need." dawg day Jan 2020 #30
Wallace certainly wasn't sensitive to what BLACK people felt they needed. George II Jan 2020 #37
Read the damn article. Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #13
If you could refrain from attacking me we could have a conversation. nolabear Jan 2020 #19
I didn't attack I attacked your post. Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #24
There is so much of this taking stuff out of context this year it's hard to keep up. nt Quixote1818 Jan 2020 #44
This is a really old article, but it underscores the many skeletons in Bernie's closet calguy Jan 2020 #14
This!! There's soooo much out there. Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #18
The Biden one was about busing and it is twisted a bit...it was from 1975 Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #47
Talk about gaffes. Just unwise to cite GW to get his point across. The OP does show how vetting emmaverybo Jan 2020 #17
For this thread Gothmog Jan 2020 #20
Wait a minute. In 1972 Wallace was a Democratic candidate who renounced segregation, right? aikoaiko Jan 2020 #23
I don't think Wallace began renouncing segregation until 1979. George II Jan 2020 #28
In 1979 after being paralyzed by an assassin's bullet, the man responsible for Bloody Sunday lapucelle Jan 2020 #33
Arthur Bremer shot Wallace in 1972 aikoaiko Jan 2020 #39
You need to read more carefully. Like I said, Wallace asked for forgiveness in 1979 lapucelle Jan 2020 #41
Never knew he said this. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #57
... lapucelle Jan 2020 #29
It was 1975 the Biden article you guys had...and this is 1972...of course when it is Bernie... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #48
What a hoot! James48 Jan 2020 #32
I wonder if Governor Wallace's victim John Lewis thinks it's a hoot. lapucelle Jan 2020 #34
Time to work what polls? Are you planning on becoming a poll worker? N/T lapucelle Jan 2020 #35
I never fail to be impressed how fast Bernie supporters turn nasty. nolabear Jan 2020 #42
He won't win the primary despite all the faux surges...People want Trump out and Sanders Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #50
You write for the Onion dware Jan 2020 #70
Maybe he had him confused with Henry Wallace? TreasonousBastard Jan 2020 #40
Bernie is right - demagogues are sensitive ("aware" is a better word) to what people are feeling. jg10003 Jan 2020 #43
Now that's a thoughtful reply. nolabear Jan 2020 #45
thank you. jg10003 Jan 2020 #46
Article in which Joe Biden bragged about receiving an award from George Wallace Tarc Jan 2020 #49
From you article...this is from the Trump team you know...not exactly as you present it. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #52
4 years later, the weathrvane shifted according to public sentiment Tarc Jan 2020 #62
"We (Delawareans) Were on the South's Side in the Civil War"? SMC22307 Jan 2020 #55
Pretty simple. nolabear Jan 2020 #58
So, white appeasement, basically Tarc Jan 2020 #63
What? Should he pretend otherwise? We don't even know how he said it. nolabear Jan 2020 #64
That is historically accurate...Maryland was too...they were not allowed to secede either of them... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #65
"His love of George Wallace..." SMC22307 Jan 2020 #51
Well Back and white...newspapers are so interesting. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #53
Indeed! SMC22307 Jan 2020 #56
I read that later he says he will vote for the GOP rather than Wallace nice try though. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #60
I'll give you that one. It was misleading. The article stands. nolabear Jan 2020 #59
Now we're going back 48 years? Polybius Jan 2020 #66
Actually no. I don't think he's evil for it. Nor do I think nolabear Jan 2020 #69
Because a leopard never changes his spots..as far back as can be found Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #73
So I guess I'm no good Polybius Jan 2020 #77
Wrong. LOOK AT THE PICTURE! James48 Jan 2020 #71
I was just saying what this party really needs is to re-litigate stuff from 50 years ago Recursion Jan 2020 #74
Bernie in 1972: Wallace is like Hitler. Eric J in MN Jan 2020 #75
KnR NCProgressive Jan 2020 #76
 

cwhile847

(5 posts)
1. Boy oh boy...
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:04 PM
Jan 2020

The Biden folks really seem to be getting nervous when they have to resort to stuff like this. Bernie has consistently applauded politicians from both ends of the spectrum who advocate for the working class. This does not mean he supported Wallace's racism. Nice try though. This will only galvanize Bernie's base even further; just like Warren's failed attempt to label Bernie a sexist. I can't wait to tell you guys to "Vote Blue No Matter Who!"

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lapucelle

(18,238 posts)
4. Wait...what? Resorting to statements candidates made on the record to journalists?
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:11 PM
Jan 2020
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Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
22. And not misquote? Can't have that!
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:27 PM
Jan 2020
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nolabear

(41,959 posts)
5. I'm not worried. And my thoughts are complex.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:11 PM
Jan 2020

But people from all sides are bringing up years old comments and this is fair game.

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Cha

(297,120 posts)
21. Did you say the BS campaign was "desperate" when this
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:21 PM
Jan 2020

happened?







Attack Biden for the same thing BS did...hmmm?

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myohmy2

(3,155 posts)
25. I totally agree with you...
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:43 PM
Jan 2020

...and Welcome!

...

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George II

(67,782 posts)
26. I thought this looked familiar:
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:45 PM
Jan 2020
cwhile847

1. Boy oh boy...

The Biden folks really seem to be getting nervous when they have to resort to stuff like this. Bernie has consistently applauded politicians from both ends of the spectrum who advocate for the working class. This does not mean he supported Wallace's racism. Nice try though. This will only galvanize Bernie's base even further; just like Warren's failed attempt to label Bernie a sexist. I can't wait to tell you guys to "Vote Blue No Matter Who!"


cwhile847

10. Boy oh boy...

The Biden folks really seem to be getting nervous when they have to resort to stuff like this. Bernie has consistently applauded politicians from both ends of the spectrum who advocate for the working class. This does not mean he supported Wallace's racism. Nice try though. This will only galvanize Bernie's base even further; just like Warren's failed attempt to label Bernie a sexist. I can't wait to tell you guys to "Vote Blue No Matter Who!"


https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=457793
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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
38. JPR is a literal graveyard so they are coming back here.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:19 PM
Jan 2020

That's what I think.

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dawg day

(7,947 posts)
27. There are African Americans in the working class too--
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:49 PM
Jan 2020

And Wallace wasn't a champion for THEM. He was a champion for all white people, not the working class.

I'm not going to diss Sanders for this, but we need to make it loud and clear. If someone is for "the white working class," they're probably racist, especially when one of their strategies is to tell the white workers that they should ally with rich whites against their own class.

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Aaron Pereira

(383 posts)
61. Yes, it does seem like Biden is in a glass house as far as his race record goes.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:18 PM
Jan 2020

I think we're right to remain on the high road here and avoid divisive arguments over identity politics.

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dware

(12,355 posts)
67. Are you serious?
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 12:09 AM
Jan 2020
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dware

(12,355 posts)
68. Welcome.......
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 12:11 AM
Jan 2020

back to DU.

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Beakybird

(3,332 posts)
3. I'm a strong opponent of Sanders, but this is 58 years old and out of context.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:05 PM
Jan 2020

First, Sanders states that Wallace's remedies are outrageous. Second, he might be talking about Wallace's populist economic message and not his segregationist positions.

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Thekaspervote

(32,754 posts)
6. I believe the idea of the OP is to point out first what the gop will drag up
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:13 PM
Jan 2020

Secondly this is one one of many many pieces that are very contradictory to when sanders is now saying

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Voltaire2

(12,995 posts)
11. um uh, the gop ain't dragging that up, they love racist white men.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:20 PM
Jan 2020
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PatSeg

(47,370 posts)
16. Yeah, but they are major hypocrites
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:35 PM
Jan 2020

They love accusing liberals of being racists. It doesn't matter if they embrace racism.

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nolabear

(41,959 posts)
7. How is it out of context? It's the actual article.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:13 PM
Jan 2020

I think it’s a good example of how someone can say things in a long career and they’re fair game, and I am aware that he and in particular his followers have done a great deal of this against others.

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Mike__M

(1,052 posts)
72. Actual article?
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 01:14 AM
Jan 2020

Looks to me like your sharing of Jason Haddix's opinion of William Poole's opinion of cherry-picked comments from an interview which was also reported by others.

[link:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPkO_8iWsAAXLmY?format=jpg&name=small|

What the 'Wallace phenomenon' indicates is that this country is reaching a point at which there is no turning back. . . . The contradictions are too irreconcilable, the tensions are too great. Something has got to give. There will, I believe be fundamental change in America in the not too distant future -- one way or another. And George Wallace presents one way. Unfortunately, it's no way at all.


could just as well have been

"What the 'MAGA phenomenon' indicates is that this country is reaching a point at which there is no turning back. . . . The contradictions are too irreconcilable, the tensions are too great. Something has got to give. There will, I believe be fundamental change in America in the not too distant future -- one way or another. And Donald Trump presents one way. Unfortunately, it's no way at all."

As usual, Sanders was years ahead in his prescience: his comments about Wallace were in essence a warning, many years ago, of the rise of someone like Trump.

The self-identified "centrists" weren't listening back then; they weren't listening in 2015; they're not listening now.
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lapucelle

(18,238 posts)
8. BS was a candidate for governor of Vermont at the time. It's called vetting. N/T
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:14 PM
Jan 2020
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OneMoreCupOfCoffee

(314 posts)
31. I'm quite sure that you're correct in assuming Sanders' is praising Wallace's
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:54 PM
Jan 2020

economic populism and not his segregationist positions.

But that highlights a problem that persists to this day, as many of us see it (and certainly I), of how easily Sen Sanders appears to set aside issues he frames as "identity politics" in favor of focusing on issues of economic resentments of (especially) the white working class.

Downplaying critical human rights/civil rights struggles (struggles that are not yet fully won) to the point where George Wallace could be praised on his economic populism makes this liberal Democrat very uncomfortable.

And that tendency did not end 50 years ago. It's the same one that's operative today, in my estimation.



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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
12. If you read the article, Sanders comments about Wallace were ...
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:22 PM
Jan 2020

If you read the article, Sanders comments about Wallace were:

"He advocates some outrageous approaches to our problems,
but at least he is sensitive to what people feel they need."
.........................................................................................

Don't know if that equates Sanders with advocating racism?

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nolabear

(41,959 posts)
15. Don't mean to imply it does. But at that time, and I lived it,
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:32 PM
Jan 2020

Wallace was unequivocally about racism. Bernie may have been trying to appeal to the working class by saying he was sensitive to their pain, but it was not smart to do then and in the current arena is worth bringing up. It’s an age old problem when trying to get elected. He can address it or not.

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dawg day

(7,947 posts)
30. "Wallace is sensitive to what people feel they need."
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:54 PM
Jan 2020

Wallace was a racist. He was sensitive ONLY to what his racist supporters wanted. He was certainly not at all sensitive to what African Americans felt they needed, you know, like the right to vote, go to school, and live without fear of lynching.

And this was very much what Wallace was giving his supporters. Holding down black citizens, he promised, would be good for white people.

We can't separate Wallace's supposed "advocacy for the working class" from the very racist reality he was not all that subtly advocating.

EVERYTHING Wallace did or advocated was about the suppression of African Americans.
I would think that Sanders, even that long ago, would have understood that enough to decide he really didn't want to praise Wallace for anything at all.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
37. Wallace certainly wasn't sensitive to what BLACK people felt they needed.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:15 PM
Jan 2020
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Voltaire2

(12,995 posts)
13. Read the damn article.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:29 PM
Jan 2020

What utter bullshit. The author of the article decides to call: "He advocates some very outrageous approaches to our problems, but at least he is sensitive to what people feel they need", "praise". It isn't. It is a statement that notes that a populist politician, pretty much by definition, is "sensitive to what people feel they need". Sanders also notes that Wallace is advocating "very outrageous approaches". It aint praise.

But do carry on. By the way Trump got elected by doing exactly what Wallace was doing: running as a rightwing populist, appealing to widespread dissatisfaction with the status quo, identifying fake causes of that dissatisfaction: "mexicans", and idiotic solutions: "build the wall".

If we don't even try to understand why they are winning elections, if we just blame it on 'Russians', we are going to get beaten over and over again.

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nolabear

(41,959 posts)
19. If you could refrain from attacking me we could have a conversation.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:44 PM
Jan 2020

I “read the damn article.” I carefully did not use the term “praise.” And you make a point I avoided but that is exactly right. 45 got elected with that same populist, enemy-creating, otherizing message. I think Sanders’ followers who rage at “others” who might want to follow a different path, no matter what that path is, do him no favors.

But he did this, in 1972, when Wallace had been doing harm for many years. I am not claiming it was an evil comment. But it was so odd in someone who also claims to have supported Dr. King it makes me curious as to what he was trying to accomplish.

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Voltaire2

(12,995 posts)
24. I didn't attack I attacked your post.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:39 PM
Jan 2020
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Quixote1818

(28,927 posts)
44. There is so much of this taking stuff out of context this year it's hard to keep up. nt
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:06 PM
Jan 2020
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calguy

(5,304 posts)
14. This is a really old article, but it underscores the many skeletons in Bernie's closet
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:31 PM
Jan 2020

And we're not even on the big stuff, like communism. The GOP will certainly put him next to Lenin and Stalin should he get the nomination, which he won't, but just sayin'.

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Thekaspervote

(32,754 posts)
18. This!! There's soooo much out there.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:42 PM
Jan 2020
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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
47. The Biden one was about busing and it is twisted a bit...it was from 1975
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:33 PM
Jan 2020
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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
17. Talk about gaffes. Just unwise to cite GW to get his point across. The OP does show how vetting
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 06:41 PM
Jan 2020

will work when Bernie is wearing the shoe.

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aikoaiko

(34,165 posts)
23. Wait a minute. In 1972 Wallace was a Democratic candidate who renounced segregation, right?
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:34 PM
Jan 2020


He did oppose desegregation through bussing, but so did Joe Biden.
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George II

(67,782 posts)
28. I don't think Wallace began renouncing segregation until 1979.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:49 PM
Jan 2020
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lapucelle

(18,238 posts)
33. In 1979 after being paralyzed by an assassin's bullet, the man responsible for Bloody Sunday
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:03 PM
Jan 2020

asked for forgiveness.

At the time BS offered his praise, he was still the George Wallace MLK called "the most dangerous racist in America".

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aikoaiko

(34,165 posts)
39. Arthur Bremer shot Wallace in 1972
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:20 PM
Jan 2020

And MLK was assassinated in 1968.

I think you have your dates mixed up.
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lapucelle

(18,238 posts)
41. You need to read more carefully. Like I said, Wallace asked for forgiveness in 1979
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:32 PM
Jan 2020

after being paralyzed by an assassin's bullet (1979 is after 1972) and MLK had called Wallace the most dangerous racist in America in 1965 (which is also before both 1972 and 1979.)

On a Sunday in 1979, Daddy’s arrival to this church was unannounced and unexpected. But for an attendant rolling his wheelchair to the front of this sanctuary, he was alone. What the congregation must have thought when he said, “I’ve learned what suffering means in a way that was impossible. I think I can understand something of the pain that black people have come to endure. I know I contributed to that pain and I can only ask for your forgiveness.” As he was leaving the church, the congregation began singing “Amazing Grace.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/16/changed-minds-reconciliation-voices-movement-episode/

After pledging “Segregation now! Segregation tomorrow! Segregation forever!” in his 1963 inaugural address, Alabama Governor George Wallace gained national notoriety by standing at the entrance to the University of Alabama to denounce the enrollment of two African American students. Martin Luther King described Wallace as “perhaps the most dangerous racist in America today” (King, “Interview”). In a 1965 interview King said: “I am not sure that he believes all the poison that he preaches, but he is artful enough to convince others that he does” (King, “Interview”).

https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/encyclopedia/wallace-george-corley-jr

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sheshe2

(83,728 posts)
57. Never knew he said this.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:59 PM
Jan 2020
“I’ve learned what suffering means in a way that was impossible. I think I can understand something of the pain that black people have come to endure. I know I contributed to that pain and I can only ask for your forgiveness.”
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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
48. It was 1975 the Biden article you guys had...and this is 1972...of course when it is Bernie...
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:38 PM
Jan 2020

I just keep wondering why racist like Rogan and the guy who did the a MLK Parody...what do they see in Sanders.

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James48

(4,433 posts)
32. What a hoot!
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 08:55 PM
Jan 2020

You Biden supporters are really digging hard, aren’t you!

Got news for you.

Sanders? He is going to WIN. And be the next President.

Time to work the polls and get ready for the ride of a lifetime.

I’m with BERNIE.

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lapucelle

(18,238 posts)
34. I wonder if Governor Wallace's victim John Lewis thinks it's a hoot.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:09 PM
Jan 2020

Here's someone who might agree with you, though.

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lapucelle

(18,238 posts)
35. Time to work what polls? Are you planning on becoming a poll worker? N/T
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:13 PM
Jan 2020
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nolabear

(41,959 posts)
42. I never fail to be impressed how fast Bernie supporters turn nasty.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:33 PM
Jan 2020

It’s a legit criticism and every serious and many not-so-serious candidates have been vetted. And should be. But there’s a difference between questioning the candidate and immediately leaping to disparage anyone who asks a question (were I being a jerk about it I’d understand the irritation). Bernie and Yang seem to have followers that are every bit as ready to fight mean as 45’s are when their candidate is challenged. It makes me quite uneasy.

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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
50. He won't win the primary despite all the faux surges...People want Trump out and Sanders
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:41 PM
Jan 2020

won't win according to polling. Sure he has my vote in a general but when you are underwater even in Virginia...

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dware

(12,355 posts)
70. You write for the Onion
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 12:18 AM
Jan 2020

don't you?

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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
40. Maybe he had him confused with Henry Wallace?
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 09:22 PM
Jan 2020
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jg10003

(975 posts)
43. Bernie is right - demagogues are sensitive ("aware" is a better word) to what people are feeling.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:05 PM
Jan 2020

Demagogues like wallace and trump are aware of people's fears, anxieties, and prejudices, and then exploit them for their own gain.

Good leaders, like Bernie, are also aware of what people are feeling. However rather then exploit people's fear and anxieties good leaders will try to address them in a reasonable and compassionate way.

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nolabear

(41,959 posts)
45. Now that's a thoughtful reply.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:07 PM
Jan 2020

My impression of Sanders isn’t quite the same but I think you are onto something. People want to feel seen. Some people are good at that. What they do with it varies a whole lot.

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Tarc

(10,476 posts)
49. Article in which Joe Biden bragged about receiving an award from George Wallace
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:40 PM
Jan 2020
Joe Biden in 1987: ‘We (Delawareans) Were on the South’s Side in the Civil War’

On Thursday, another decades-old quote of Biden’s surfaced courtesy of the Trump campaign’s opposition research team. A September 20, 1987, story in the Philadelphia Inquirer reported Biden had bragged about receiving an award from George Wallace, the former Alabama governor and one of America’s most notorious segregationists.


If some people find association with George Wallace disqualifying, then that edge is going to cut both ways...

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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
52. From you article...this is from the Trump team you know...not exactly as you present it.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:46 PM
Jan 2020

'Biden went on to distance himself from Wallace. On Twitter, Biden spokesman Bill Russo shared a 1976 news story quoting Biden saying he would not support Wallace’s presidential bid and would back the Republican candidate if Wallace somehow won the Democratic nomination. '

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Tarc

(10,476 posts)
62. 4 years later, the weathrvane shifted according to public sentiment
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:33 PM
Jan 2020

Yep, great leadership there, Joe.

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SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
55. "We (Delawareans) Were on the South's Side in the Civil War"?
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:55 PM
Jan 2020

WTF does that mean?! Biden supporters, please explain.

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Tarc

(10,476 posts)
63. So, white appeasement, basically
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:34 PM
Jan 2020
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nolabear

(41,959 posts)
64. What? Should he pretend otherwise? We don't even know how he said it.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:39 PM
Jan 2020

With contrition? As an explanation? Jokingly? Chastising? Sounds like you assume he was cheering. Delaware was in fact a slave state.

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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
65. That is historically accurate...Maryland was too...they were not allowed to secede either of them...
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:42 PM
Jan 2020

Biden goes on in that article to say if by some hook or crook Wallace won the nomination,he would vote for the Republican...so waiting for the BS half truth...'Biden say he will vote for the Republican and not the Democratic nominee...course don't say it was Wallace...more impact and all ...

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SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
51. "His love of George Wallace..."
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:43 PM
Jan 2020
What a load of crap. Seriously, desperation on the part no-name Twits. Tweeters? Twitterers?
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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
53. Well Back and white...newspapers are so interesting.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:48 PM
Jan 2020
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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
60. I read that later he says he will vote for the GOP rather than Wallace nice try though.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:08 PM
Jan 2020
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nolabear

(41,959 posts)
59. I'll give you that one. It was misleading. The article stands.
Thu Jan 30, 2020, 11:08 PM
Jan 2020
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Polybius

(15,373 posts)
66. Now we're going back 48 years?
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 12:07 AM
Jan 2020

How far back is too long to bring up? If Thomas Jefferson was alive and running for President, would you go back to what he supported 220 years ago?

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nolabear

(41,959 posts)
69. Actually no. I don't think he's evil for it. Nor do I think
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 12:14 AM
Jan 2020

the attacks being sprayed in all directions are warranted. People change, evolve, say things with nuance that can be taken in many ways.

Perhaps I’m tired of seeing his people endlessly portray Joe as something I don’t buy, and of him implying things about Biden and Warren he knows aren’t accurate.

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Thekaspervote

(32,754 posts)
73. Because a leopard never changes his spots..as far back as can be found
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:16 AM
Jan 2020

These published articles show us who sanders is... pay attention

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Polybius

(15,373 posts)
77. So I guess I'm no good
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 10:24 AM
Jan 2020

I said some crazy Republican stuff when I was 14.

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James48

(4,433 posts)
71. Wrong. LOOK AT THE PICTURE!
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 12:56 AM
Jan 2020

He is referring to George McGOVERN, not George Wallace.

I can’t believe you folks don’t look at the actual photo- it says McGovern!

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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
74. I was just saying what this party really needs is to re-litigate stuff from 50 years ago
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:37 AM
Jan 2020

So glad this is happening

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Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
75. Bernie in 1972: Wallace is like Hitler.
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 06:00 AM
Jan 2020

Joe Biden in 1973 accepted an award from George Wallace.


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