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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:31 PM Original message |
What my Doctor said today about the bird virus |
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StellaBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. Thanks for sharing this. |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
2. That is reassuring, thank you.n/t |
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Radio_Lady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. What kind of a doctor is he? Specialize in infectious diseases -- |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. infectious diseases |
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Radio_Lady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. OK. Hope he knows more than the people who are treating me. |
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triguy46 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:47 PM Response to Reply #25 |
46. Only high risk individuals ... |
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Radio_Lady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Safeway stores here in Oregon have the shots available NOW. |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 10:48 PM Response to Reply #52 |
120. Do you have Kroger grocery stores in your area? |
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Radio_Lady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 01:40 PM Response to Reply #120 |
138. Kroger owns the Fred Meyer stores in Oregon. I'll have to check on |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 08:43 PM Response to Reply #46 |
97. Is the focus on avian flu meant to distract us from the vaccine shortage |
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leesa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 07:11 AM Response to Reply #97 |
134. No. It's meant to introduce military control. |
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Pretty_in_CodePink (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 08:44 PM Response to Reply #46 |
99. Really two supermarkets by my home in Orlando have them |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
4. Sounds like a good doctor |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 08:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
101. That's right..I was just sitting here |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
5. Bush and the Right Wingers are keeping in power by ruling with FEAR. |
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dogfacedboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. Because fear is the cornerstone |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:43 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. And I think conservatives crave having all the rules made FOR them |
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Blue Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
6. What constitutes being in a "High Risk" group?? |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:38 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. People with a low immune system. |
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bergamot (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 05:43 PM Response to Reply #11 |
72. Also diabetics. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. This kid is probaby at high risk |
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Blue Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. :-) |
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Der Blaue Engel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 06:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
78. Gak! What is Donald doing?!? |
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Kailassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 06:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
79. You can tell from the crossed eyes |
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chopper (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 06:38 AM Response to Reply #16 |
133. another one... |
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caligirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. High risk is someone with certain chronic |
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triguy46 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
49. here's a short list |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 08:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
100. The best protection is to vaccinate the people around the |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 12:14 AM Response to Reply #100 |
125. Bullshit. |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
7. Go to google news and put bird flu in the |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
9. A little unprofessional, but otherwise ethical. |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
10. handi-wipes, as stated by my GP are a godsend |
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displacedtexan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
12. My physician is a tropical med. expert from Johns Hopkins. |
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Radio_Lady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
26. Wow! Our HMO doesn't have flu shots available until Oct. 15. |
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wiley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
29. I got a flu shot for $75 |
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triguy46 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
51. you got ripped off big time. |
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Dem2theMax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
61. My Mom and Dad live in an 'over 55 years of age' community. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
13. Thanks William And Here's A Hug For The Reassurance You've Offered |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Thanks. |
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graywarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
14. I worked in bacteriology for 10 years. It's all BS. . |
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buzzard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. This is a virus.n/t |
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graywarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:09 PM Response to Reply #19 |
32. Think bacteriologists don't know anything about viruses? |
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buzzard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Didn't mean it to sound that way. n/t |
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graywarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Don't mind me. I'm a douchebag at times. |
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buzzard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 07:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
87. No, I enjoy your posts. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 10:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
111. Some people don't understand that those of us who know germs |
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sable302 (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
20. I've heard the same thing |
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Radio_Lady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Good point, sable. I'm going to watch Comedy Central this evening. |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
41. Asteroids??? That's just GREAT! Don't tell Junior.... |
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sable302 (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 05:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
62. he he he |
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hippywife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 06:00 PM Response to Reply #20 |
74. And just notice all the |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
22. You have a much better chance of dying from being struck by lightning... |
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OldLeftieLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
23. Remember SARS? |
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Radio_Lady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 03:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. SARS proved to be second-rate. |
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catmandu57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Cured by chicken soup and sprite |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
57. Four and five years ago, SARS was the most likely source of a pandemic |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 08:49 PM Response to Reply #57 |
102. That Bush is using this as a political bogey man to rationalize an overt p |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 09:09 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Well, duh! |
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youthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 08:28 PM Response to Reply #23 |
94. SARS and West-Nile virus both a lot of hoopla. |
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JanusAscending (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
30. COME ON GUYS!! |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 07:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
90. Did it occur to them...this doesn't inspire people to pay their bills? |
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MuseRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
33. Thanks. |
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Radio_Lady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Only 25% of men wash their hands after using the bathroom. |
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MuseRider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:34 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Ewwwww |
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triguy46 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:53 PM Response to Reply #37 |
53. fewer than that in oklahoma |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 06:13 PM Response to Reply #53 |
77. as is the water. |
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BrotherBuzz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:55 PM Response to Reply #37 |
55. Real men wash before and after... |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
60. Carlin says it's a good way to build up your immune system. |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
34. That's not exactly what the ID and internist guys are saying here. |
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esvhicl (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
36. Yes, could be a "game" |
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NJCher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 08:35 PM Response to Reply #36 |
96. just tonight |
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Radio_Lady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 01:51 PM Response to Reply #96 |
139. Sending in the military makes THEIR risk of getting flu HIGHER... |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 10:35 PM Response to Reply #36 |
113. Well, seeing as I'm in LA I will have a front row seat and can keep all |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
38. You do need to not get freaked out about this |
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TalkingDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 05:15 PM Response to Reply #38 |
64. the Dr. was correct. This virus has NOT mutated to the point of being |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 05:28 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Right now, yes |
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Maine-ah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
42. I'm waiting for Frist to say |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
43. I find this hard to believe |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 10:37 PM Response to Reply #43 |
114. (Wondering what a person can take to pre-empt a cytokine storm.....) |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 12:15 AM Response to Reply #43 |
126. Avian flu is not contagious via human transmission. |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
44. Unless National Geographic has become a GOP organ.... |
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triguy46 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:54 PM Original message |
IF< IF |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 05:15 PM Response to Reply #44 |
65. A remarkable cure for flu & Also National Geographic |
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clichemoth (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 06:49 PM Response to Reply #65 |
86. Well, I guess I'm safe for the next few hours . . . |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 10:38 PM Response to Reply #65 |
115. This recommendation is criminally irresponsible. |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 12:25 AM Response to Reply #44 |
127. That's alarmist disinfo, IMHO. |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
45. I have a question about what your doctor said.... |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:51 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I cannot give you anymore information |
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triguy46 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:59 PM Response to Reply #45 |
59. the bird to human vector is very, very limited. |
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Piperay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
48. Your doctor is on point |
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johannes1984 (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
50. you're all safe , |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 10:42 PM Response to Reply #50 |
117. IIRC, there have been a few cases of suspected human-to-human |
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trekbiker (724 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
54. your Doc is right about the present state of this flu virus... |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 05:09 PM Response to Reply #54 |
63. There is an outbreak in Indonesia |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 05:36 PM Response to Reply #54 |
69. Much, much worse than the 1918 pandemic |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 06:11 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. Most of those people didn't die from the flu |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 10:45 PM Response to Reply #76 |
118. They died far too quickly, most of them, to have gotten secondary |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 06:15 AM Response to Reply #118 |
131. Are you claiming to be more astute on this subject than this author? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 11:20 PM Response to Reply #69 |
123. Accordign to the WHO we may be looking all the way to |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
56. Anyone else see his press conference? |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 10:47 PM Response to Reply #56 |
119. Not only planned and rehearsed, but it sounded like he was stopping |
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Shakespeare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
58. The dengue fever killed 11 times more people than avian flu last year. n/t |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 05:29 PM Response to Reply #58 |
68. Dengue fever does not spread human-to-human |
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Shakespeare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 06:23 PM Response to Reply #68 |
81. Wasn't my point, and yes, I know that. n/t |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 05:37 PM Response to Reply #58 |
71. In 1918 flu killed 675,000 Americans in only a few months. |
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Shakespeare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 06:06 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Sigh. I think you misunderstand me. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 06:32 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. That form is not the one of concern. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
66. You doctor should NOT mix politics with medical advice. |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 06:47 PM Response to Reply #66 |
85. Bush didn't help at all |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 07:05 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Of course not. You missed my point. |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 08:50 PM Response to Reply #88 |
103. I did not miss your point |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 09:11 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. It did sound as if you were dismissive of the threat. |
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mrdmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 09:24 PM Response to Reply #103 |
109. The big deal about Mr. Bush Jr. here is using the MILITARY not science |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 12:28 AM Response to Reply #109 |
128. You're right. |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
70. I respectfully disagree. And yes, mine is a medical family. |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
73. Some sites to research and follow updates on this flu |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 02:49 AM Response to Reply #73 |
130. more sites |
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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
80. Thank you so much for sharing. |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
82. thanks for the info. |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
84. I thought we were all supposed to die last year because of the lack of |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 11:17 PM Response to Reply #84 |
122. No, the Bird Flu has NOT yet mutated to an easily H-H form. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
89. good for you for checking this info |
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satya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
91. Maybe "avian flu" is the cover story for a little homegrown bioterror. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 09:22 PM Response to Reply #91 |
108. No, you are hoping for a tinfoil hat explanation. |
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satya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 10:31 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. Of course I know you're right-I don't fear "terrorist" attacks but disease |
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Darth Lib (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
92. I just got over "Something" |
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tlsmith1963 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
93. We Always Get Free Flu Shots at Work |
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buzzsaw_23 (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
95. Bird virus is a hoax |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 09:11 PM Response to Reply #95 |
105. This is a lot bigger than a hoax by the US government |
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buzzsaw_23 (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 09:19 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. The fear factor is played into |
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FrankX (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 10:41 PM Response to Reply #95 |
116. Chimp's hoax. He wants to be able to use military to quarantine. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 10:52 PM Response to Reply #95 |
121. Bone up on virology and then we can debate this. Until then, you |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 11:44 PM Response to Reply #121 |
124. Avian flu is not contagious via human transmission. |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 01:37 AM Response to Reply #124 |
129. This might help explain it |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 06:27 AM Response to Reply #129 |
132. How does that address any of my questions? |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 12:39 PM Response to Reply #132 |
137. I read the article |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
98. Thanks William! That sounds |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-05 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
110. Has he always been a Dem/Progressive/Liberal Doctor |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 07:22 AM Response to Reply #110 |
135. Tis is the first time politics have ever came up. |
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jmatthan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
136. Prevention is better than cure |
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